Obama recess appointing Cordray

[Craig234]

And if you look at the numbers, the 'crisis' was nowhere close to where it is now and there weren't large numbers of nominees that could not be filled by any method. Seriously, go check it out. It's insane.

As for them lobbing cruise missiles I think you misunderstand me. Obama, Perry, and Bachmann already have the ability to lob cruise missiles at wherever they want without notifying Congress. If they were to elect to continue to fight after 60 days, then they are supposed to need Congress' a-OK.

I'm not saying I approve of Obama's handling of Libya, (I don't!) I'm just saying his argument wasn't what you're saying it was.

I approve of Obama's intended policy in Libya, but not his violation of the War Powers Act.

I defend Congress' right to not approve the hostilities even if I disagree with their policy.

 

[Kadarin]

Obama could appoint anyone to any position and the current crop of Republicans would fight it.

 

[irishScott]

Padding his "leadership" portfolio I see. Wish he'd done stuff like this earlier, but makes sense. Bureaucrats get a magic, temporary spine during election years.

 

[theeedude]

Boehner should impeach Obama if he feels strongly that he broke the law. Put up or shut up.

 

[irishScott]

Obama could appoint anyone to any position and the current crop of Republicans would fight it.

This. And frankly I'm not yet convinced that Romney would be any better. Sure things might be different, but better? It's not a fair comparison yet as the primaries are still going on, but if the election were today I'd probably vote for Obama, despite the "THIS CARD WILL DEFEAT OBAMA" flyer that came when I renewed my NRA membership.

 

[RedChief]

Now here is a bit of irony. If Cordray performs any of the duties of the bureau he would be in violation of Dodd-Frank.

How?

Apparently the specific language in Dodd-Frank says that authorities under the Act remain with the Treasury Secretary until the Director (Cordray) is "confirmed by the Senate". A recess appointment is NOT a Senate confirmation.

 

[Ausm]

Boehner should impeach Obama if he feels strongly that he broke the law. Put up or shut up.

I think Boner is smoking up to 5 packs/day putting up with the Teapublicans.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Can you really blame Obama?

The Republicans are flat out refusing to let ANY part of his agenda through. Look at the shit he had to deal with just to get the debt ceiling increased, or the payroll tax extended. No other president in recent history has had to put up with that kind of obstruction.

He has no other viable options at this point.

 

[spidey07]

Can you really blame Obama?

The Republicans are flat out refusing to let ANY part of his agenda through. Look at the shit he had to deal with just to get the debt ceiling increased, or the payroll tax extended. No other president in recent history has had to put up with that kind of obstruction.

He has no other viable options at this point.

Republicans ran on stopping Obama and won in a historic election on that platform - stopping Obama is what the people want.

 

[fskimospy]

Now here is a bit of irony. If Cordray performs any of the duties of the bureau he would be in violation of Dodd-Frank.

How?

Apparently the specific language in Dodd-Frank says that authorities under the Act remain with the Treasury Secretary until the Director (Cordray) is "confirmed by the Senate". A recess appointment is NOT a Senate confirmation.

Highly unlikely.

The Constitution states that cabinet members, judges, etc are to be confirmed by the Senate, but the recess appointment clause is expressly made to substitute for Senate confirmation. Other acts like the National Security Act of 1947 and the Homeland Security Act created new cabinet positions that expressly state that it will be done so with the 'advice and consent' of the Senate. Are you trying to claim that there could be no recess appointments of a Secretary of Defense or Secretary of Homeland Security, or that if they were to take office they could not perform any actions without violating the law?

If so, good luck.

 

[woolfe9999]

As for them lobbing cruise missiles I think you misunderstand me. Obama, Perry, and Bachmann already have the ability to lob cruise missiles at wherever they want without notifying Congress. If they were to elect to continue to fight after 60 days, then they are supposed to need Congress' a-OK.

Assuming, of course, that the War Powers Act is actually Constitutional. There is a very strong argument that it isn't. I don't think that issue is being addressed by any of the numerous critics of Obama's conduct in this case.

 

[fskimospy]

Republicans ran on stopping Obama and won in a historic election on that platform - stopping Obama is what the people want.

So spidey, when Obama wins re-election will you admit that Obama being in charge is what the people want?

 

[theeedude]

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobby...nts-his-nominees-to-controversial-labor-board

Looks like NRLB appointments are coming too. Good job, Obama.

 

[woolfe9999]

Padding his "leadership" portfolio I see. Wish he'd done stuff like this earlier, but makes sense. Bureaucrats get a magic, temporary spine during election years.

I'm operating under the theory that he may grow a spine in his second term because he won't face re-election, but who knows.

 

[brencat]

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobby...nts-his-nominees-to-controversial-labor-board

Looks like NRLB appointments are coming too. Good job, Obama.

Was about to post this. Wow... really going to pour gasoline on the fire. Okay, bring it. We won't know if people agree or not until Nov. My bet is that this is the final step in his demise. We have a stagnating economy and the goal seems to be to grow government with the wrong type of bureaucrats that crimp the private sector even more. Well done.

 

[spidey07]

Was about to post this. Wow... really going to pour gasoline on the fire. Okay, bring it. We won't know if people agree or not until Nov. My bet is that this is the final step in his demise. We have a stagnating economy and the goal seems to be to grow government with the wrong type of bureacrats that crimp the private sector even more. Well done.

He went full libtard, you never want to go full libtard.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Psst... your Dems get plenty of contributions from Wall St too genius.

And Barney's Frank was dead against any reform of Fannie/Freddie as the bubble was getting bigger and bigger in 2003-2004, because Fan & Fred were significant contributors to Democrats.

Yes, I am against this agency for the record. Because I believe it will hamper lending and do exactly the OPPOSITE of what you retards think it will do. You want oversight but still expect lenders to make unprofitable loans to unqualified buyers without adequate risk compensation. You want massive new regulations yet stand in denial of its dampening effect on liquidity in the marketplace.

Here's an idea... how about expecting people to stop going through life clueless and maybe expect them to be more street smart, more rational, and less knee-jerk emotional? There have been and always will be spivvy scumbags in life and we shouldn't try to protect against everything bad that can happen to someone. Yes, during the housing boom some unfortunates got ripped off with accreting mortgages they didn't understand. But they wanted that house so badly... they were buying em, flipping em like pancakes. Until one day the music stopped and suddenly the piper had to be paid.

I'm sorry, I'm just very libertarian about many things. I have seen the incompetence of government over and over and frankly I'm not convinced we aren't all better off on our own for most things. This new bureacracy is not going to do one damn thing except grow government and the NEXT disaster is going to happen in spite of its creation.

This is the phony, false, and downright fictional libertarian world that will never exist my friend. People will ALWAYS be stupid and fall for predatory lending tactics. Just because the deck of cards almost came crashing down this time doesn't mean it won't happen again. Financial institutions will simply come up with new ways to cheat the system and the majority of the population will be none the wiser.

This is the problem with libertarians. Their ideas sound great, but most are entirely not implementable in any society. Look around the world and name me one example in civilized and recorded history of a truly libertarian society. They simply don't exist, and believing that they are achievable in our society today is simply a waste of time, effort, and votes IMHO. It's foolish and on par with values voters.

The financial institutions KNEW what they were doing was wrong. They knew they were lending to people with shit credit that couldn't afford their mortgages. IMHO the lion's share of the blame has to go to the institutions whose own basis of survival depends on them knowing better. There must be strict rules and regulations in place, and I don't care if the markets have to suffer for this. The people have suffered enough because of their greed. I can't tell you how many people I know who have had to delay retirement by 5-10 years because their 401Ks went into the shitter. People who made an honest living, didn't live outside their means, got royally screwed over too.

 

[theeedude]

It will help him get the Democrat base out to vote. Will Romney get the GOP base to turn out? So far 75% of the GOP is jumping through hoops trying to avoid voting for him.

 

[dank69]

Was about to post this. Wow... really going to pour gasoline on the fire. Okay, bring it. We won't know if people agree or not until Nov. My bet is that this is the final step in his demise. We have a stagnating economy and the goal seems to be to grow government with the wrong type of bureaucrats that crimp the private sector even more. Well done.

Yes, appointing people to vacant positions is 'growing government.'

 

[thraashman]

Yes, appointing people to vacant positions is 'growing government.'

You're talking to people who think that almost defaulting on our debt obligations (and were trying to actually default) would be good and promote small government. You know, the same people who want government out of their medicare. Remember, the (R) doesn't stand for Repbulican, it stands for retard.

 

[waggy]

I was against it when the Republicans did it and against it when the Dems do it.

Saying that politics needs a overhaul. BOTH parties will stall and do whatever they can to prevent someone they don't want wich leads to bullshit like this. the two sides need to work together for the US people. oh what the fuck am i saying like that will happen.


those applauding this though. What side of the fence where you on when bush did it? i bet most were against but will find a stupid reason to justify it.

 

[monovillage]

Yes, appointing people to vacant positions is 'growing government.'

This is a pretty blatant political move in the run-up for the election. I'm not particularly surprised since Obama and the Democrats know he's in deep political trouble and they're grasping at straws. Looks like another Democrat power grab that will take the Courts to unravel.

 

[dank69]

This is a pretty blatant political move in the run-up for the election. I'm not particularly surprised since Obama and the Democrats know he's in deep political trouble and they're grasping at straws. Looks like another Democrat power grab that will take the Courts to unravel.

What does that have to do with my post?

 

[FerrelGeek]

So spidey, when Obama wins re-election will you admit that Obama being in charge is what the people want?

For the sake of argument, what if he wins but the reps win house and senate? Will the dems go back to defending the filibuster, if needed? Will the encourage 'rule by executive order'?

 

[werepossum]

Was about to post this. Wow... really going to pour gasoline on the fire. Okay, bring it. We won't know if people agree or not until Nov. My bet is that this is the final step in his demise. We have a stagnating economy and the goal seems to be to grow government with the wrong type of bureaucrats that crimp the private sector even more. Well done.

I dunno. I consider myself fairly anti-Obama and I think leaving the NLRB without a quorum is the wrong thing to do, even if I disagree with how it's being used. I'm not familiar with the individuals appointed, but I think the Republicans owed them an honest hearing and an up or down vote. Since they could not get that, I'm fine with Obama making recess appointments, and since I'm not at all disposed to be an Obama apologist I suggest many if not most people will agree. I just don't see this hurting him in November.

I'm fine with dissolving the NLRB and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, but I'm not fine with crippling them procedurally.