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Obama reaching across aisle? not quite

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Just like Obama isn't representing himself as a leftwing ideologue... hmmmm

He's representing himself as a liberal. Do you have evidence he's something else, that he plans to nationalize the auto industry, set caps on wealth at $10 million, or some such?
He is not representing himself as a liberal.

He is running around talking about how he is going to unite the country and such.
But his record shows no evidence at all of working with Republicans on virtually anything.

If we are going to elect a President who will work with both sides of the isle to get things done then McCain is clearly that person.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Just like Obama isn't representing himself as a leftwing ideologue... hmmmm

He's representing himself as a liberal. Do you have evidence he's something else, that he plans to nationalize the auto industry, set caps on wealth at $10 million, or some such?
He is not representing himself as a liberal.

He is running around talking about how he is going to unite the country and such.
But his record shows no evidence at all of working with Republicans on virtually anything.

If we are going to elect a President who will work with both sides of the isle to get things done then McCain is clearly that person.

Why do you continue to imagine you have good opinions or know anything? You supported Bush and ruined the country. Work, instead, to figure out why your judgment is worthless.
 
Wow, just wow. These posts are rampant with BDS and RDS (for those who don't know--Bush & Republican Derangement Syndrome). Comparing John Roberts to Hitler is just laughable. I don't know if it should be taken seriously or not, it's that far fetched. If it were that bad, you couldn't express your opinions here--not matter how loopy. I am not a fan of the President either, but come on.

Hey Moonbeam, the prof just disagrees with you. It doesn't make him or his opinions worthless.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Moonbeam you are so right... the county has 100% been ruined by Bush, damn him to hell...

Next on the PJ Channel:

Ya, right, the world was 100% ruined by Hitler, he was responsible for China's Cultural Revolution and the USSR's letting its people starve in Siberia and for WWI.

More pointless sarcasm in the service of apologism to try to evade the truth, whee.
 
On the plus side, on 1/20/2009 at the latest, the final sunset of the GWB administration will arrive. And almost all of the appointees of GWB&co. will lose their jobs. And we can hope that they will be replaced by smarter and more pragmatic people who can better serve this nation because I cannot think of any US President who has done worse than GWB in the some 5000 people to be chosen appointees. Only a small handful of real stinkers have been already ejected. Led by a list of prize villains like Rumsfeld, John Bolton, Alberto Gonzales, Brownie, Miers, Rove, Goodlings, and many others. I note there are recent threads on this forum showing more are finally to the point where they have resigned or will soon be forced out.

Sadly, the list includes some good people like Colin Powell who had to go because one good apple could spoil a whole barrel of rotten ones. And US attorneys who were fired for the sin of being not partisan enough. And who could have thunk it, a prize idiot like John Ashcroft gets elevated to the status of good guy for daring to defend the concept of constitution law and got replaced by Gonzales.

But there is one notable exception to that 1/20/2009 sunset. And that lies in those appointed to the various courts with a basic lifetime tenure.

But if the first part of my thread did not basically prove the wisdom of our founding father's requiring the advice and consent of the Senate as a filter for bad appointees, I simply don't know what would. And the other premise of the thread is that Obama is a partisan player when he did not vote for Roberts as Bush's nominee for SCOTUS. I think many of the Robert's court rulings already show that Obama was correct and as a holder of a law degree from Havard, I think Obama
is well qualified to judge. And in terms of ancient history, I don't believe Scalia's claim that he is not an activist judge.
 
Worst premise for a thread in a long time. Apparently to be a uniter, you can't believe someone has an excellent resume but is not the best person for the job.
 
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Worst premise for a thread in a long time. Apparently to be a uniter, you can't believe someone has an excellent resume but is not the best person for the job.

I think its more complex than that. Obama noted that Roberts had the same raw resume as
someone who would otherwise be qualified, but felt Roberts prior record as a judge did not show the vision of being correct for the country. In much the same that John Bolton was self disqualified for the position of UN ambassador. Right resume, lacks principle or temperament
which are character issues. And may differ greatly with an appointee like Brownie for fema,
because the raw resume itself was missing in action in that case.

Advice and consent of the Senate is not supposed to mean a rubber stamp.
 
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
Wow, just wow. These posts are rampant with BDS and RDS (for those who don't know--Bush & Republican Derangement Syndrome). Comparing John Roberts to Hitler is just laughable. I don't know if it should be taken seriously or not, it's that far fetched. If it were that bad, you couldn't express your opinions here--not matter how loopy. I am not a fan of the President either, but come on.

Hey Moonbeam, the prof just disagrees with you. It doesn't make him or his opinions worthless.

Who you be? You sure don't know much.

My opinions are worthless. PJ's opinions are a menace to the American people. Note how he turned massive damage into 100% destruction because he can't face reality. He is ashamed to see what a disaster he's wrought because he has no organic shame.

I voted for Gore and he for Bush. Right there you can see I was millions of times more intelligent, of course only if you yourself have a brain. Thank you and blow it out your ass. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Worst premise for a thread in a long time. Apparently to be a uniter, you can't believe someone has an excellent resume but is not the best person for the job.

No, the fact remains that Obama continued the long time Democratic party tradition of rejecting qualified SC nominees because of their personal views. Both of Clinton's nominees were almost unanimously confirmed and it wasn't because they were somehow more qualified than Roberts. For the last 30 years democratic senators have been pretty dickish about confirming any republican nominees to the court, while Reps have been pretty accepting of Democratic presidential nominees. Obama says he's post partisan, but couldn't bring himself to vote for a superlatively qualified jurist.
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Worst premise for a thread in a long time. Apparently to be a uniter, you can't believe someone has an excellent resume but is not the best person for the job.

No, the fact remains that Obama continued the long time Democratic party tradition of rejecting qualified SC nominees because of their personal views. Both of Clinton's nominees were almost unanimously confirmed and it wasn't because they were somehow more qualified than Roberts. For the last 30 years democratic senators have been pretty dickish about confirming any republican nominees to the court, while Reps have been pretty accepting of Democratic presidential nominees. Obama says he's post partisan, but couldn't bring himself to vote for a superlatively qualified jurist.

But senators are SUPPOSED to take into account the personal views of the people being nominated to the supreme court!? It's not a resume review, it's a political appointment.
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Worst premise for a thread in a long time. Apparently to be a uniter, you can't believe someone has an excellent resume but is not the best person for the job.

No, the fact remains that Obama continued the long time Democratic party tradition of rejecting qualified SC nominees because of their personal views. Both of Clinton's nominees were almost unanimously confirmed and it wasn't because they were somehow more qualified than Roberts. For the last 30 years democratic senators have been pretty dickish about confirming any republican nominees to the court, while Reps have been pretty accepting of Democratic presidential nominees. Obama says he's post partisan, but couldn't bring himself to vote for a superlatively qualified jurist.

sirjonk, that's not really an accurate history.

Republicans went to Clinton and told him if he nominated the liberal they understood he wanted, he'd have a huge fight on his hands; if he nominated the compromise candidate they suggest, they'd vote for her. Clinton, compromiser that he is, took the deal and appointed the compromise. Bush, on the other hand, never appointed a compromise, he appointed horrible radicals. It's highly unfair for you to put the Republicans in some 'cooperative' light from that.

The R epublicans were also infamous for abusing the process, while democrats were far more accommodating. Republicans, for example, made a huge issue of Clinton's tiny number of recess appointments, and blackmailed him into giving up some of his power by saying if he did not give them advance written notice of his planned recess appointments so they could take measures to oppose them, then they would vote against every single one of his nominees. Again, he gave in and gave them what they wanted.

Of course, when Bush was elected, all the abusive processes the Republicans had set up for Clinton were removed.

There's also some complexity because the democrats and republicans used different procedures to block nominees, so it's easy to create a misleading picture by cherry-picking the data presented to just the technique favored by one or the other. The numbers show that the Republicans were the major obstructionists to appointments, setting new precedents in the extremes they went to, for just one example ending the long tradition of one Senator being able to block a federal court nominee for their state.

Under Clinton, Republicans changed the rule after decades to require both Senators to block - and then changed it back to one as soon as Bush took office.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Bush, on the other hand, never appointed a compromise, he appointed horrible radicals.

Buahahaha. "radicals"? Only to a far leftist are Judges who use original intent "radicals".


As to Obamamarama - Why is this news? He's a liberal, he was young/new and did what he was told by the D "leadership". But yes, it doesn't sit well given his rhetoric about "change".
 
Aside from the Cad delusion regarding the radical right there is something stinking thinking with---As to Obamamarama - Why is this news? He's a liberal, he was young/new and did what he was told by the D "leadership". But yes, it doesn't sit well given his rhetoric about "change"

Excuse me Cad, but when we talk about change, we can talk about change for the better or change for the worst. Your delusion is that Roberts is somehow a change for the better. Wrong again.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Aside from the Cad delusion regarding the radical right there is something stinking thinking with---As to Obamamarama - Why is this news? He's a liberal, he was young/new and did what he was told by the D "leadership". But yes, it doesn't sit well given his rhetoric about "change"

Excuse me Cad, but when we talk about change, we can talk about change for the better or change for the worst. Your delusion is that Roberts is somehow a change for the better. Wrong again.

"change" isn't about Robers - it's about Obamamarama and there is no change. He's just another liberal politician following orders regarding the SC justice votes.
 
Once again Cad, what a foolish thing to say with---"change" isn't about Robers - it's about Obamamarama and there is no change. He's just another liberal politician following orders regarding the SC justice votes.

I will point out one fact, Roberts could not have won confirmation without democratic votes in the Senate. The fact that Obama bucked the dem party line, hardly makes him a partisan shill.

Thus far, Cad, have lost the argument on three out of three counts, do want want to go for four out of four?

PS--is not the correct spelling Robers actually robbers. Roberts is actually the fellow we are discussing. But come to think of it, you might have a point.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: senseamp
Roberts is a right wing ideologue. Qualified or not, that's bad for the country.

elections have consequences.

Yet another reason to not vote McCain

Activist judges of the Right Wing persuasion.

Scalia and his brethren may exhort the ignorant about how they are only interested in the iideas of the Founders but like all the rest they vote their beliefs and prejudices.
 
This may scramble some of your young and cloudy minds, but it IS possible to respect one another AND yet still completely disagree on major issues.

imagine that.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
This may scramble some of your young and cloudy minds, but it IS possible to respect one another AND yet still completely disagree on major issues.

imagine that.
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As you palehorse74, completely dis the taliban in Afghanistan. I can hardly imagine you as a posterchild of non Bias
or an open mind.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: palehorse74
This may scramble some of your young and cloudy minds, but it IS possible to respect one another AND yet still completely disagree on major issues.

imagine that.
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As you palehorse74, completely dis the taliban in Afghanistan. I can hardly imagine you as a posterchild of non Bias or an open mind.
I have no respect for the Taliban -- none -- so your bullshit deflection falls apart right about there.

If I send you a signed picture of my nuts, would you stop iStalking me?
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
This may scramble some of your young and cloudy minds, but it IS possible to respect one another AND yet still completely disagree on major issues.

imagine that.

It is difficult to respect some people here. I won't name any names though, palehorse74.
 
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