Obama - Poll

[GDaddy]

Do you believe Obama will be the next Carter or Kennedy and why?



My thoughts, He will try to do good, but he will be put in a bad situation(taking over for Bush) and when all is said and done, end up being a Carter

 

[Nitemare]

Can he really be any worse than Dubya?

 

[GDaddy]

no, but he could make the situation worse.

 

[FoBoT]

i don't believe any human has the ability to be worse than carter as POTUS

i'll have to go look up what all great things kennedy did, he is so revered, but other than getting killed and the cuban missile crisis, which he handled very well, i don't know what made kennedy "great"

 

[nageov3t]

my guess is Carter, but we won't find out till he wins in November.

he's created a myth of himself that will be impossible to live up to.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: loki8481
my guess is Carter, but we won't find out till he wins in November.

he's created a myth of himself that will be impossible to live up to.

At that point you have to blame 100% of everything on what remains of the minority party.

 

[CPA]

He will be nowhere nears Kennedy. Obama doesn't have a conservative bone in his body, he is pure liberal socialist. Kennedy, while a Dem, at least understood that the government cannot be the end-all, be-all for it's constituents.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Whether he will be a Carter or a Kennedy will depend on his ability to stand up to his own party while seeking out this change he talks about so much. I found it sort of ironic when he was talking about fighting all the special interests and such in Washington...while Ted Kennedy of all people was standing next to him. He's got to make all the Washington insiders out to be the bad guys, and get the American people emotionally on board with him so he can go to battle with the legistlative branch to change their ways.

 

[Arkaign]

Stupid poll.

First, Kennedy was an excellent statesman who actually consulted and listened to Eisenhower, and he matured steadily throughout his short Presidency. He was deeply flawed, but one of our great historic Presidents. It's fairly easy to see that with almost anyone else at the helm, the CMC might have become WW3.

Second, Carter was not NEAR as bad as the naysayers like to say. He inherited a shitty economy and wobbly foreign situations, and did little to either better them or worsen them. Blaming Carter for the crappy economy of the time is like blaming Bush for the post-9/11 dip. It's unrealistic at best, and pure political opportunism at worst (ie; I'm a Republican and I want to sh*t on Carter because he was a Dem). Carter had a remarkable Navy career, and has worked tirelessly for humanitarian causes for decades. I'd honestly take Carter over fuckwads like GWB or LBJ any day of the week, month, year, or lifetime.

Obama will probably be much different than anyone who's come before, partly by internal personal reasons (things that make Obama unique), and partly by external reasons (mood of the country, the opposing party's willingness to compromise or not, foreign situations that need attention)

We won't really know until (A)- He's the Dem candidate, (B)- He beats McCain, and (C)- He proves his relative worth during his term(s).

 

[alchemize]

Carter was a micro-manager. I can't think of a worse position for a micro-manager than president of the US.

Obama is, by his own admission, not focused on the details. That's more effective leadership IMO.

 

[glugglug]

Carter. He's walking into an economic disaster. Hyperinflation and gas lines that remind people of the 70s are about to become unavoidable. (And we are already deep in a recession, the media just doesn't want you to know that yet).

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: GDaddy
no, but he could make the situation worse.

I don't see how Obama could put this country into a worse situation than what GWB has already done. What do you think he's going to do to say that?

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Carter. He's walking into an economic disaster. Hyperinflation and gas lines that remind people of the 70s are about to become unavoidable. (And we are already deep in a recession, the media just doesn't want you to know that yet).

Me thinks you are being a tad bit sensational, but then again you do support Ron Paul.

 

[kranky]

I think it's going to be very hard for Obama to win. I completely understand why he's gaining momentum in the primaries, but once the one-on-one campaign begins, the opposition is going to hammer on his hard liberal stance and lack of experience. Whether it's Obama or anyone else, that kind of philosophy is tough to win with. Eventually you have to come out and say what you intend to do if elected, beyond the marketing slogans of hope and change.

 

[Moonbeam]

I hope he is elected so we can see. If you idiots are as accurate as you usually are, I'm not worried.

Just kidding about the idiots part, of course.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i don't believe any human has the ability to be worse than carter as POTUS

i'll have to go look up what all great things kennedy did, he is so revered, but other than getting killed and the cuban missile crisis, which he handled very well, i don't know what made kennedy "great"

He poked Marilyn Monroe

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
He poked Marilyn Monroe

Yep. :laugh:

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: GDaddy
no, but he could make the situation worse.

Does not compute. Posh Spice couldn't become president and make it worse.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i don't believe any human has the ability to be worse than carter as POTUS

i'll have to go look up what all great things kennedy did, he is so revered, but other than getting killed and the cuban missile crisis, which he handled very well, i don't know what made kennedy "great"

He poked Marilyn Monroe

Who was an overrated bimbo. You want a hot woman from that era? Look at Sophia Loren.

 

[ProfJohn]

Kennedy was a different type of Democrat from a different era.

The Democrats of today don?t even come close to the Democrats of those days. That is why so many of the people around Reagan were ex-Democrats.

As for Obama I would expect him to be better than Carter. But I could see him turning into a ?failed? President. He is too inexperienced in so many ways. This means he will have to rely on the advice of others when he gets into office and coming from the liberal wing of the Democratic Party the people giving him advice are going to be liberal Democrats.

And the last time liberal Democrats totally ran the country was under Carter and we see how that turned out.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Can he really be any worse than Dubya?

It's impossible for ANYONE to be worse than Dubya. You could run a rock, a sheep, and Satan as subsequent presidents and you'd still be better than the last eight years.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: kranky
I think it's going to be very hard for Obama to win. I completely understand why he's gaining momentum in the primaries, but once the one-on-one campaign begins, the opposition is going to hammer on his hard liberal stance and lack of experience. Whether it's Obama or anyone else, that kind of philosophy is tough to win with. Eventually you have to come out and say what you intend to do if elected, beyond the marketing slogans of hope and change.

I think people care less about experience than you think. Also the tax and spend bit is going to be a hard sell considering our national debt, if Obama effectively connects McCain-Bush as he is trying to do he will have an advantage. Also the debates will be hilarious, McCain is a horrible debater while Obama is former President of the Harvard Law Review. I know they said that about Bush/Gore but this time the Republican is far worse at selling national security.. he repeats the same phrases far too often.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i don't believe any human has the ability to be worse than carter as POTUS

i'll have to go look up what all great things kennedy did, he is so revered, but other than getting killed and the cuban missile crisis, which he handled very well, i don't know what made kennedy "great"

Why don't you say what made Carter so bad? Say what he did, not just 'inflation was high', regardless if it was an inherited problem from oil issues from earlier years, etc.

For example, what is your view of Carter's appointment of the controversial Paul Volcker, under pressure from Wall Street, who took drastic measures to slash inflation?

Remember to include what you think he should have done and why that was better, not just point out that he had some hard choices with no 'good' answer.

Are you opposed to his prioritizing human rights? To his prioritizing energy policy and the search for alternatives to oil? To his Camp David peace efforts?

If you can make the effort, I'll make the effort to post some of the Kenneyd history you say you woudl like.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Carter. He's walking into an economic disaster. Hyperinflation and gas lines that remind people of the 70s are about to become unavoidable. (And we are already deep in a recession, the media just doesn't want you to know that yet).

we aren't in a recession, must economic data is positive. Infact the only recent peice of economics data that came out poor was one that had just had its methodology changed and probably needs an adjustment.

 

[nageov3t]

the president tends to get blamed for whatever the economy happens to do under his watch, despite the fact that they really have little-to-no control over it.

he might be SOL if the economy is in a downturn when he takes office and doesn't make a significant rebound.