Obama....one of the worst presidents in American history?

[FelixDeCat]

I think so. This inexperienced community organizer was never cut out to be a leader, much less President.

From his bald face lies about government spying -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RQvKQGzcoc (Opposing Bush on Patriot Act, but taking NSA to whole new level by 2013 with no intention on stopping length and depth of domestic syping on Americans for NO DAMN REASON).

...to the IRS scandal, letting political sympathizers run amok and taking no account for it in going after the TEA party..

...to a series of decisions that led to the deaths of diplomats in Benghazi...

...to imposing a requirement that all Americans purchase healthcare against their will...

....you name it.

This is simply the worst president, ever, surpassing even the utter failure of the Carter Administration (poor economic growth, hyper housing inflation and 15% fixed rate mortgages, Iran hostage crises).

And we have 3 1/2 more years to go of this nightmare. :'(

 

[Greenman]

I'm inclined to agree with you, but the reality is that more people like him than dislike him. That's how he was elected twice.
I'm still up in the air over ACA though, it might work out for me personally, though I may have too divorce my wife to see any benefit.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It's premature to gauge this, but you haven't made a very strong case in my view.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I'm inclined to agree with you, but the reality is that more people like him than dislike him. That's how he was elected twice.
I'm still up in the air over ACA though, it might work out for me personally, though I may have too divorce my wife to see any benefit.

Obama also opposed increasing the debt ceiling in 2006 -

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2684107382001/president-obama-flip-flopping-on-debt-ceiling/

The only good aspect of the ACA was removing restrictions on uninsurable patients, even though polices will run about $2,000 to $3,000 per year. But that should be a CHOICE not a mandate to individuals. :|

 

[FelixDeCat]

It's premature to gauge this, but you haven't made a very strong case in my view.

Its sad that I have lived long enough to remember the Carter administration.

That being said, I can only hope Obama learns to govern while in office. Short of impeachment, its all we have left. :\

 

[Abraxas]

It's premature to gauge this, but you haven't made a very strong case in my view.

Pretty much, if those "scandals" are the abolute worst you can say about Obama he will go down in history as one of the best.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Pretty much, if those "scandals" are the abolute worst you can say about Obama he will go down in history as one of the best.

The fact that you put that word in quotations is disturbing. The evidence is clear, Obama is a terrible president with no signs of improving any time soon.

 

[IronWing]

Obama certainly leaves much to be desired. However, nothing you posted above scores very high on the outrage scale. His right-of-Reagan policy decisions pretty much suck but in the scandal department he's bush league compared to Reagan and Bush Jr.

 

[BoberFett]

Obama also opposed increasing the debt ceiling in 2006 -

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2684107382001/president-obama-flip-flopping-on-debt-ceiling/

The only good aspect of the ACA was removing restrictions on uninsurable patients, even though polices will run about $2,000 to $3,000 per year. But that should be a CHOICE not a mandate to individuals. :|

It can only be a choice if they eliminate the mandate to cover pre-existing conditions, otherwise nobody would be buy insurance until they needed it.

As to the premise of the thread, Obama is hardly the worst president. Terrible yes, but not more terrible than any other past president or politician in general.

 

[Abraxas]

The fact that you put that word in quotations is disturbing. The evidence is clear, Obama is a terrible president with no signs of improving any time soon.

I put them in quotes because none of them were real scandals.

Benghazi was a nonstarter, bad things happen in the world, and there is no significant evidence that Obama could have done anything to prevent it.

The IRS scandal, again, seems to have been a case of an automated system filtering out right wing words more than left wing words, under the direction of a Republican I might add. No evidence of ties to Obama or the White House.

The ACA isn't a scandal, it was a democratically implemented piece of legislation that may or may not work out well, the vast majority of the provisions of which were wildly popular.

The only thing on your list that even classifies as potentially scandalous is the NSA thing, but even that is likely not any different from any other president in the last hundred years with the exception of the level of technology involved. That is what is scandalous, that Obama is entirely unexceptional as far as presidents go in spying on the American people.

Your scandal list is garbage and as such if that were the worst you could say about Obama he'd be one of the greatest ever. Now, I'd argue there are many worse things you could say about him, but your list is basically a short list of things righties are outraged over but don't understand and people barely care about them now, let alone what historians will think are important in 30 years.

 

[werepossum]

It can only be a choice if they eliminate the mandate to cover pre-existing conditions, otherwise nobody would be buy insurance until they needed it.

As to the premise of the thread, Obama is hardly the worst president. Terrible yes, but not more terrible than any other past president or politician in general.

This.

 

[Engineer]

As to the premise of the thread, Obama is hardly the worst president. Terrible yes, but not more terrible than any other past president or politician in general.

Pretty much.

 

[WTSherman]

Obama is a horrible president, I don't think he's as bad as FDR. He was also socialist and because of his "liberal" ideology was too friendly with Stalin which resulted in the Cold War. Winston Churchill is the man who treated Stalin as the monster he was.

In my opinion, the new "liberal" is the guy who finds the government sticking its nose in private affairs offensive.

 

[Nintendesert]

Well, he's definitely the worse black President we've ever had.

 

[shadow9d9]

Only the lunatic fringe would even consider thinking such. Benghazi blew your cover as being a hack. How many attacks occurred under Bush and every other president? Silence then.

 

[sandorski]

Not even close.

 

[WTSherman]

I know many black men who should be president, who are my comrades, Obama is not representative of their race.

The democrat party depends on the continued suffering of blacks. They try to get as many as possible on assistance, in order to guarantee the vote. Can you imagine the power of the federal government, when they have the voters dependent on them for their very food. Eventually the recipients of benefits would outvote the people paying for them. What then?

 

[DrPizza]

Our society believes that if someone needs emergency treatment for an injury or illness, they should receive that treatment. But, many among us can't or won't pay for that cost. They take the risk that they won't end up in the hospital - and know that if they DO end up in the hospital, the rest of society will be forced to cover their costs. It only makes sense that if we're going to treat everyone, that everyone should pool their risks together (that's what insurance is). So, I disagree with your criticism of the ACA.

So what do you want - do you want the ambulance crew to say, "do you have insurance" "no?" Then drive away, leaving an accident victim in the middle of the road for his relatives to shovel up? If you want these people to be able to get health care when it's needed, then you need to realize that these people need to get insurance to pool their risks - only 1 in 20 will need that $20k of medical attention; so all 20 should be spending $1k to protect themselves from not being able to pay for that medical care. (Numbers are fictitious, but serve to illustrate the point.)

 

[ThinClient]

It's usually 20 years post-presidency when we have a reasonable picture of the quality of presidency. We don't know everything that's going on and we won't see real ramifications for quite a while.

 

[rudder]

I'm inclined to agree with you, but the reality is that more people like him than dislike him. That's how he was elected twice.

The reelection is partially due to the quality of candidates that were offered up by the GOP... And probably can be said for the 2008 election... Sarah Palin.. Really?

But Obama remains popular because most of the people.who support him to don't give a flip about the NSA, the IRS scandal, or his incompetence on the international stage. For a lot of people the Obama administration is a gravy train. Amnesty, reduced requirements for phones, reduced requirements for disability and food stamps, money for failures like Detroit and Solyndr, reduced mortgages, now subsidized healthcare... As long as the bennies continue no matter what happens he will still have a lot of support.

 

[shadow9d9]

The reelection is partially due to the quality of candidates that were offered up by the GOP... And probably can be said for the 2008 election... Sarah Palin.. Really?

But Obama remains popular because most of the people.who support him to don't give a flip about the NSA, the IRS scandal, or his incompetence on the international stage. For a lot of people the Obama administration is a gravy train. Amnesty, reduced requirements for phones, reduced requirements for disability and food stamps, money for failures like Detroit and Solyndr, reduced mortgages, now subsidized healthcare... As long as the bennies continue no matter what happens he will still have a lot of support.

You are like a walking parrot of wacko talking points that don't make an ounce of sense to anyone that has a brain...

 

[rudder]

Only the lunatic fringe would even consider thinking such. Benghazi blew your cover as being a hack. How many attacks occurred under Bush and every other president? Silence then.

and you see Benghazi simply as a terrorist attack where some diplomats died. Do you not have idea what the CIA was doing in Libya that resulted in this attack? Which of course was followed by the administration's coverup?

But no, just another Islamic group and since Bush had a few attacks under his watch...well that is okay. So Bush sucked...this is no way excuses a damn thing Obama does.

 

[Theb]

At this point the consensus is more or less tied between Warren G. Harding and James Buchanan. Harding's big issue is corruption, good old fashioned lets fuck the country to make ourselves rich corruption. Buchanan was just a terrible leader who could turn gold into shit and shit into... some worse kind of shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

 

[WTSherman]

Obama is the most fortunate president in history. For the first 2 years he had the House, Senate and Supreme Court in his party's control. Thats how they passed Obamacare against the wishes of the people. Since then hes had the benefit of the mainstream media and the fact that the majority of the people are imbeciles. Liberals depend on this.

 

[Brainonska511]

Obama is the most fortunate president in history. For the first 2 years he had the House, Senate and Supreme Court in his party's control. Thats how they passed Obamacare against the wishes of the people. Since then hes had the benefit of the mainstream media and the fact that the majority of the people are imbeciles. Liberals depend on this.

I give you Exhibit A.

Obama is a horrible president, I don't think he's as bad as FDR. He was also socialist and because of his "liberal" ideology was too friendly with Stalin which resulted in the Cold War. Winston Churchill is the man who treated Stalin as the monster he was.

In my opinion, the new "liberal" is the guy who finds the government sticking its nose in private affairs offensive.