Obama / NSA listening to phone calls without warrants

[michal1980]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...istening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/


hmm, how much more crap can Obama pull on the Americans' till they stop supporting him?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So there is absolutely no approval needed. Gets worse and worse.

I would have said "yeah right" if I saw the following a year ago. Now I wouldn't be so dismissive.

 

[Jaskalas]

So Obama lied about "just metadata".

Think he even knew, and now that he does, would he even care?

 

[michal1980]

So Obama lied about "just metadata".

Think he even knew, and now that he does, would he even care?

He'll come out and say he just learned about this through this mornings papers. Because that's the only way he ever learns of anything.

 

[Triumph]

They didn't say that they ARE listening to phone calls without a warrant, just that they CAN. But those low level analysts who decide to tap a line have been trained in constitutional law and they know whether or not they are crossing citizens' 4th amendment rights. So don't worry.

 

[michal1980]

They didn't say that they ARE listening to phone calls without a warrant, just that they CAN. But those low level analysts who decide to tap a line have been trained in constitutional law and they know whether or not they are crossing citizens' 4th amendment rights. So don't worry.

trained just like the guy that ran away to Hong Kong with classified data

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

This surprises anybody?

 

[Jaskalas]

This surprises anybody?

I think the President would claim surprise.

 

[Nintendesert]

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."


If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

First, will people call this Congressman a traitor and demand he be killed like they did Snowden?

Second, having known literally hundreds of analysts, this is pretty damn scary. I hope Nadler keeps pushing for more information and letting us know just how deep the rabbit hole goes. This shit is out of control.

 

[kage69]

Absolute bullshit, not only were we told this wouldn't be happening, it's pretty much the same kind of power we prosecuted back when Nixon was pulling his shit!

I fully realize the real world need to be able to find out what some conversations were about, but I've always insisted that those needs pass through a fairly stringent qualification and oversight filter, FISA parameters and judges for the most part.

Unfettered access to everything on a whim without any notion of oversight or accountability?

GTFO! So much for Obama reigning in the more egregious excesses of the Cheney days. Things like GitMo, with it's interference from Congress, I can excuse in a pissed off kinda way. Not this. What was feared before is a reality now for sure.


"If people can’t trust not only the executive branch but also don’t trust Congress, and don’t trust federal judges, to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here."

Yes, we have some problems here. Among the most alarming is a man telling us to trust him when he just lied to us.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol, this should only be a surprise to those that weren't paying attention in 2008. The FISA amendment was passed without a single no vote on the republican side in either the house or senate, all no votes came from dems (and even a lot of dems voted yes, including Obama). The renewal of the FISA amendment only saw 23 nay votes in the senate with three of those nays being republican. Only 7 republicans voted no in the house for its reauthorization (118 no votes).

Your outrage simply highlights your ignorance and your lack of foresight.

It's great that you want to hold Obama accountable but how about applying equal pressure to the idiots that voted for it and it's renewal?

 

[Genx87]

They didn't say that they ARE listening to phone calls without a warrant, just that they CAN. But those low level analysts who decide to tap a line have been trained in constitutional law and they know whether or not they are crossing citizens' 4th amendment rights. So don't worry.

Here is how this administration works. When something like this comes out they don't admit to anything until it is leaked. Then they make claims they "can" do things according to their own legal framework but claim it isn't happening yet. Until we find out it is happening. Then they claim it is legal so stop complaing. Legal being what they define and nobody can challenge it in court due to it being deemed "classified".

So expect they are indeed listening in on people like they listened in on soldiers in Iraq having phone sex.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/10/remember-that-time-the-nsa-listened-to-u

Oh yeah we can totally expect the govt to not abuse their self defined legality to listen to our phone calls.

 

[Jhhnn]

Totally unremarkable that the usual Righties are now raving about the actions of their "conservative" representatives in Congress.

Attempts were made to soften and narrow the overly broad Patriot act, but No! They were having none of that. All or Nothing!

Obviously, it's all Obama's Fault that the NSA is using powers granted to them by Congress. Just as obviously, if they weren't and fringe-whacks could interpret any future catastrophe to the NSA *not* using them, then that'd be all Obama's Fault!, too.

Did any of you ravers write to your reps when the Patriot Act was up for renewal, particularly those who vote for so-called "Conservatives"? Do you not realize that "Conservatives" are deeply authoritarian? Are you blind to the workings of your own well indoctrinated minds?

 

[MaxPayne63]

Don't worry, guys.

It's only three months until the NFL season starts. All Obama needs to do is kill enough Syrians to keep the public distracted for that long, then this whole mess will be forgotten about.

 

[Jaskalas]

Hey Jhhnn, when you find a candidate that does not hate civil liberties, let us know.

Find me a Democrat to openly speak against Bush, against Republicans, and against Obama, and I'll vote for them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Totally unremarkable that the usual Righties are now raving about the actions of their "conservative" representatives in Congress.

Attempts were made to soften and narrow the overly broad Patriot act, but No! They were having none of that. All or Nothing!

Obviously, it's all Obama's Fault that the NSA is using powers granted to them by Congress. Just as obviously, if they weren't and fringe-whacks could interpret any future catastrophe to the NSA *not* using them, then that'd be all Obama's Fault!, too.

Did any of you ravers write to your reps when the Patriot Act was up for renewal, particularly those who vote for so-called "Conservatives"? Do you not realize that "Conservatives" are deeply authoritarian? Are you blind to the workings of your own well indoctrinated minds?

I see you saw my call in the other thread and rose yet again to defend Obama's honor.

BTW, it is all Obama's fault that the NSA is doing this. HTH.

 

[Darwin333]

Lol, this should only be a surprise to those that weren't paying attention in 2008. The FISA amendment was passed without a single no vote on the republican side in either the house or senate, all no votes came from dems (and even a lot of dems voted yes, including Obama). The renewal of the FISA amendment only saw 23 nay votes in the senate with three of those nays being republican. Only 7 republicans voted no in the house for its reauthorization (118 no votes).

Your outrage simply highlights your ignorance and your lack of foresight.

It's great that you want to hold Obama accountable but how about applying equal pressure to the idiots that voted for it and it's renewal?

While I agree that FISA is bullshit it was billed as and supposed to be strictly about intercepting foreign communications NOT recording and saving every single domestic digital communication.

How anyone can argue that this is even remotely constitutional, regardless of what law has passed, is beyond me.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Lol, this should only be a surprise to those that weren't paying attention in 2008. The FISA amendment was passed without a single no vote on the republican side in either the house or senate, all no votes came from dems (and even a lot of dems voted yes, including Obama). The renewal of the FISA amendment only saw 23 nay votes in the senate with three of those nays being republican. Only 7 republicans voted no in the house for its reauthorization (118 no votes).

Your outrage simply highlights your ignorance and your lack of foresight.

It's great that you want to hold Obama accountable but how about applying equal pressure to the idiots that voted for it and it's renewal?

Remember that Congress allows (which is one issue) but it does not mandate. The NSA does not work in a vacuum, it ultimately answers to Obama and it he who is therefore ultimately responsible for this practice actually happening. He took potential to reality.

 

[Incorruptible]

As long as the welfare checks keep coming. obamas cronies and supporters some of whom are on P&N will continue to defend him no matter what he does.

 

[Doppel]

This shit is pissing me off. If the Fing sheep in the country would pay any attention it never would have gotten this far. All to fight a war that claims fewer deaths in a given year than lightning.

I didn't confirm all the numbers here but I know some are definitely accurate:
http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/anti-terrorism-spending-disproportionate-to-threat/

 

[Wreckem]

People act as if this is new? The NSA has likely been doing this since 2001.

All three branches are to blame not just the executive.

Congress has oversight authority and they allowed it. The judicial system just doesn't give a shit (cite: Clapper v. Amnesty International, conservative majority more or less saying if you can't prove you were monitored personally you don't have standing to challenge the constitutionality of the FISA amendments).

Its a dereliction of duty on the part of all three branches, and it isn't bound by ideology either.

If I had to guess the NSA has always done illegal wiretapping under the FISA bill. Afterall its next to impossible to find if unless there is a leaker.

 

[michal1980]

Totally unremarkable that the usual Righties are now raving about the actions of their "conservative" representatives in Congress.

Attempts were made to soften and narrow the overly broad Patriot act, but No! They were having none of that. All or Nothing!

Obviously, it's all Obama's Fault that the NSA is using powers granted to them by Congress. Just as obviously, if they weren't and fringe-whacks could interpret any future catastrophe to the NSA *not* using them, then that'd be all Obama's Fault!, too.

Did any of you ravers write to your reps when the Patriot Act was up for renewal, particularly those who vote for so-called "Conservatives"? Do you not realize that "Conservatives" are deeply authoritarian? Are you blind to the workings of your own well indoctrinated minds?

Your guy. The lair in chief said these past few days that no one way listening to your phones. Now we find out they are.

So when are you going to move on from bush. And look at the shit you support?

 

[ivwshane]

Your guy. The lair in chief said these past few days that no one way listening to your phones. Now we find out they are.

So when are you going to move on from bush. And look at the shit you support?

Who supporting this? This, the FISA amendment and the patriot act were one of the reasons I didn't want to vote for Obama, however my options were pretty limited.

When is "your side" going to start doing their job and hold government accountable before shit happens, ie pass or work on legislation that promotes an effective and efficient government instead ensuring that government will be broken?

 

[Jaskalas]

Who supporting this? This, the FISA amendment and the patriot act were one of the reasons I didn't want to vote for Obama, however my options were pretty limited.

You got that straight. McCain and Romney were poster boys for expanding this !@#$. Kool-aid drinking big gov Neocons from the Republicans.

We must throw down the two leading parties and only support people / third parties who stand for Civil Liberties.

 

[Incorruptible]

Your guy. The lair in chief said these past few days that no one way listening to your phones. Now we find out they are.

So when are you going to move on from bush. And look at the shit you support?

Never. He will always defend obama.