Obama Nominates Judge Who Supports Reparations

[Red Dawn]

If anything, the African Americans benefited. Otherwise, they'd be stuck in some 3rd world country making 1/100th of what they're leeching off the federal government. If anything, they should pay US reparations.

Just when I think you couldn't post anything dumber you surprise me and lower the bar.

 

[retrospooty]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/21/AR2010032102581.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgR2I3mvz74

What are you willing to give up?
Because it will require you to give up something.

Suddenly everyone's opinion on irrelevant issues is post worthy now? Who cares what this judge may have said. Its never going to happen.

Obama himself has openly and clearly stated that he is not for reparations and even joked about it being a silly idea at this point in time. Move on now, its never going to happen and this is another non-story.

He is still the elected president, no matter how badly you want to deny it. If you want to complain, pick something real to complain about.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Think about it. All these African Americans wouldn't have been here for the civil rights issues if they hadn't been brought here as slaves.

Trace it back to the cause, that is what I did.

That's nice and all, but there are multiple reasons one could bring up for reparations. We don't need to even trace it all of the way back to slavery. There are people alive today who are the direct victims.

 

[Harvey]

thanks for yet another of your lame ass hysterical exercises in fear mongering and bigotry. Of course, if you search google for goodwin+liu"+reparations, you'll find that the only people referring to goodwin liu as advocating "reparations" are the hysterical right wingnut propoganda machines like the "national review" and more wingnut sites cross-linking to them.

did you even watch the video?

It is pretty clear cut.

I guess didn't you notice my earlier reply to you where I said:

I watched the entire youtube video, and Mr. Liu similarly NEVER speaks the word, "reparations." It isn't there, either. Here's a transcript starting at around 0:40:

And I posted a transcript of all but the first 40 seconds of Mr. Liu's words which I personally noted from the video. The only thing that's clear from your posts in this and other threads is that, in addition to being a lying racist, homophobic bigot, you're functionally illiterate.

That may explain the depth of your inhumanity, but it doen't excuse it. :thumbsdown:

 

[peonyu]

I like how Obama comes across as completely one sided in favor of black people...yet it was his white half of the familiy that raised him. His dad ditched him and his mom when he was 2 or 3 years old.

And as far as reperations go...If it happens it will cause huge social problems and wont do anything to improve race relations, it will only deepen them. And myself like alot of other white folks have 0 connections to slavery, being half Italian and Irish, from NYC originally is about as far away from the 1800s slave plantations as you could get. Yet many would like me to pay out of my wallet to make some liberals feel like they are making amends for the past, and im supposed to do it solely because im white. fuck that.



And this is sort of offtopic, but numbers wise, a quarter of the white southern population owned slaves. The total Southern population [white+black] was around 8 million at the time of the civil war, with close to half of the population being black [40% black/60%white but ill round it out to 50/50]...So there was 1 million slave owners total including thier wives and children. The northern population was 22 million and nearly all white at that time.

The combined non-slave owning white population is 25 million. The slave owning population [total] was 1 million.

Which = 96% of white people during the slavery period did not own slaves in any way shape or form.
4% did.

Add in the huge wave of Irish and Italian immigrants after the war and that % likely drops to 2 or 3% of whites who have connections to slavery. Thats not counting the large influx of Jews from Eastern Europe or any other immigrant groups from Europe, such as Russians/Greeks/Polish etc. If those are added the percent today is close to 1% if not less.

So like I said, reperations people can fuck off and not try to extort money from anyone for simply being white. Go track down the 1% who actually do have slavery connections from way back [though they are probably living in trailor parks so GL getting money out of them, which is why im sure the goal is to get all white people to pay $$$ for collective blame and collective guilt for what 1% did].

 

[Harvey]

I like how Obama comes across as completely one sided in favor of black people...yet it was his white half of the familiy that raised him. His dad just ditched him when he 2 or 3 years old.

That's a crock. I'd ask you to prove that crock, but it's not particluarly relevant to the topic of this thread.

If it happens it will cause huge social problems and wont do anything to improve race relations, it will only deepen them. And myself like alot of other white folks have 0 connections to slavery, being half Italian and Irish, from NYC originally is about as far away from the 1800s slave plantations as you could get. Yet many would like me to pay out of my wallet to make some liberals feel like they are making amends for the past, and im supposed to do it solely because im white. fuck that.

If you'd bother to watch the video and listen to what Mr. Liu said, you'd find that he actually addresses your concerns. He said that addressing the problems arising from our historical discrimination will cost something and that for reconcilliation to happen, further conversation will be required to determine how that cost will be borne, and how it will be shared. He did NOT say that he advocates "reparations."

I'm sure you could have managed a more informed, relevant reply if you had bothered to understand that instead of wallowing in your self pity and pissing and moaning about "some liberals."

 

[peonyu]

There is a black man as president now. Racial discrimination is also largely in the past. Reperations in any form are not needed. And reperations in any form wont help anything.

As for self-pity, sure. Its about as pitiful as wanting reperations [in whatever form it takes] to make up for something that 1% of the population did 150 years ago. And segregation, which im sure you are going to bring up, also ended 50 some years ago. and we have a black man as president which in itself shows how much things have changed in time. So life is not bad at all now race wise for any minority. Reperations in any form is simply a way of trying to aquire money and is also great for keeping the 'race' wound open so swindlers such as AlSharpton/JesseJackson have a job.

 

[peonyu]

That's a crock. I'd ask you to prove that crock, but it's not particluarly relevant to the topic of this thread.

Its definately off-topic. So I wont go into any "teaching moment", which btw is a nice quote from Obama.

 

[hal2kilo]

Suddenly everyone's opinion on irrelevant issues is post worthy now? Who cares what this judge may have said. Its never going to happen.

Obama himself has openly and clearly stated that he is not for reparations and even joked about it being a silly idea at this point in time. Move on now, its never going to happen and this is another non-story.

He is still the elected president, no matter how badly you want to deny it. If you want to complain, pick something real to complain about.

Hey man, you just don't get it. He's grabbed all the guns, reparations are just around the corner. Reality, deal with it.

 

[QuantumPion]

I am in favor of reparations to former slaves by former slave owners.

 

[piasabird]

How abour reparations for Mormons who were forced to leave from Missouri, Ohio, and Nauvoo, IL due to presecutions from mobs?

Are you going to give them back their temple sites that were stolen and replace their homes and farmland? They use to own a lot of land near Kansas City???

 

[Throckmorton]

There is a black man as president now. Racial discrimination is also largely in the past. Reperations in any form are not needed. And reperations in any form wont help anything.

As for self-pity, sure. Its about as pitiful as wanting reperations [in whatever form it takes] to make up for something that 1% of the population did 150 years ago. And segregation, which im sure you are going to bring up, also ended 50 some years ago. and we have a black man as president which in itself shows how much things have changed in time. So life is not bad at all now race wise for any minority. Reperations in any form is simply a way of trying to aquire money and is also great for keeping the 'race' wound open so swindlers such as AlSharpton/JesseJackson have a job.

Racial discrimination isn't in the past

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/29/national/main575685.shtml

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/03/07/story781623889.asp

 

[Patranus]

I am in favor of reparations to former slaves by former slave owners.

That is like saying that the city will issue a ticket for all of the times you talked on the cell phone before it became illegal.

 

[Harvey]

There is a black man as president now. Racial discrimination is also largely in the past.

Obama's election was a great first step, but you've got to live in some remote, isolated, all white community, or you'd know what load of bullshit that is. That's like saying that, because Barney Frank was elected to Congress, discrimination against gays is also largely in the past. Neither is true.

Don't take my word for it. Just look at all the racial, religious, cultural and homophobic bullshit posted by bigoted tards on this forum.

Reperations in any form are not needed. And reperations in any form wont help anything.

Mr. Liu, the subject of the OP's post. I posted it in an earlier reply and summarized it, again in my reply to you. He isn't arguing for reparations, either. Can you'd address what he actually said and address it, instead of blathering on about your personal insecurity and bigotry?

As for self-pity, sure. Its about as pitiful as wanting reperations [in whatever form it takes] to make up for something that 1% of the population did 150 years ago. And segregation, which im sure you are going to bring up, also ended 50 some years ago. and we have a black man as president which in itself shows how much things have changed in time.

OK. I give up. You are reading challenged, or you'd address the subject, instead of pissing and moaning about what reparations would cost YOU. Get over your get self-centered, bigoted self. It isn't about you, and it isn't about "reparations" in any form.

It's about the FACT that we still have a long way to go and a lot of issues to be resolved before we start to bridge the negative aspects of our cultural differences. It's about the FACT that there are still economic, social and cultural inequalities of opportunity, and it's about the FACT that the only way through those issues is to address them openly.

The answers may not be in terms of blindly throwing money at the problems, but resolving them will cost something. Quoting Mr. Liu's words, (yet again for the mouse challenged)

... it's going to require us to give up something. Whether it's the seat at Harvard, the seat at Princeton, or is it going to require us to give up our segregated neighborhoods, our segregated schools? Is it going to require us to give up our money? It's going to require giving up something. So, until we can have that further conversation of what it is we're willing to give up, I agree that the reconcilliation can't occur.

What is required more than anything is a willingness to discuss the problems rationally, give up old ways of doing things that were built on previous bigoted ideas, some of which may not even be recognized as bigotry by white people who have never experienced them as victims, and build a more elightened, more tolerant future for all of our citizens.

And while you're at it, invest in a spell checker. The word is repArations, and there are more than enough examples of others spelling it correctly in this thread.

 

[QuantumPion]

That is like saying that the city will issue a ticket for all of the times you talked on the cell phone before it became illegal.

No, my proposal is not an ex-post facto law because there is no one alive today who was a slave or slave owner when slavery was still legal.

 

[peonyu]

Obama's election was a great first step, but you've got to live in some remote, isolated, all white community, or you'd know what load of bullshit that is. That's like saying that, because Barney Frank was elected to Congress, discrimination against gays is also largely in the past. Neither is true

South Florida is minority majority, and my area is predominantly black and hispanic, living here I can tell you you are right. There is a long ways to go, but the road is in no way a narrow one and the majority of racism I see today isnt from White people but from non-whites. Though im sure in your narrow-mind thats not possible. Besides that, its impossible to wipe out discrimination 100% since someone will always feel discriminated for something [gay, race, religion etc].

Mr. Liu, the subject of the OP's post. I posted it in an earlier reply and summarized it, again in my reply to you. He isn't arguing for reparations, either. Can you'd address what he actually said and address it, instead of blathering on about your personal insecurity and bigotry?

Yup its bigoted to have a difference of opinion. Yup your a very wise one.

"... it's going to require us to give up something. Whether it's the seat at Harvard, the seat at Princeton, or is it going to require us to give up our segregated neighborhoods, our segregated schools? Is it going to require us to give up our money? It's going to require giving up something. So, until we can have that further conversation of what it is we're willing to give up, I agree that the reconcilliation can't occur."

What is required more than anything is a willingness to discuss the problems rationally, give up old ways of doing things that were built on previous bigoted ideas, some of which may not even be recognized as bigotry by white people who have never experienced them as victims, and build a more elightened, more tolerant future for all of our citizens.

And while you're at it, invest in a spell checker. The word is repArations, and there are more than enough examples of others spelling it correctly in this thread.

You contradict yourself so much. He clearly states that something must be given, and you try to spin it as though he only wants dialogue. Reparations is reparations. Whether it is a person having to give up thier job to someone else due to race, give money out etc. And there I spelled it correctly for you, perhaps you should invest in critical thinking.

 

[Harvey]

You contradict yourself so much. He clearly states that something must be given, and you try to spin it as though he only wants dialogue. Reparations is reparations. Whether it is a person having to give up thier job to someone else due to race, give money out etc. And there I spelled it correctly for you, perhaps you should invest in critical thinking.

I'm not going to argue further with someone who insists on reading his own bigoted point of view into words that clearly say something else.

And your grammar sucks as bad as your spelling. ReparationS is plural so it would be "Reparations ARE reparations." You must be one of the children Bush left behind. :hmm:

 

[peonyu]

I'm not going to argue further with someone who insists on reading his own bigoted point of view into words that clearly say something else.

And your grammar sucks as bad as your spelling. ReparationS is plural so it would be "Reparations ARE reparations." You must be one of the children Bush left behind. :hmm:

Lol@you, nitpicking on grammar and spelling is something only small minded fools do. Which does suit you I wont deny it haha. And of course you drop the 'bigot' bomb again since someone has a different opinion from yours, so once again bravo. Besides that im not interested in arguing with you, you are A- predictable, B- unoriginal [nitpicking on grammar] and C- a know it all.

Have a nice day.

 

[Harvey]

Lol@you, nitpicking on grammar and spelling is something only small minded fools do.

Why bother with more. You've continually danced away from the issues raised by Mr. Liu. Instead, you pissed and moaned about your own your self-centered, bigoted paranoia about "liberals" and imaginary meanings of the words he actually spoke.

You said:

And myself like alot of other white folks have 0 connections to slavery, being half Italian and Irish, from NYC originally is about as far away from the 1800s slave plantations as you could get.

Mr. Liu was very clear that his views had nothing with assignings specific fault or blame. Since you're having short term memory problems, I'll remind you that I posted almost all of what he said in the video:

What I would do is, I think I would draw a distinction between the concept of guilt, which locates accountability in a sort of limited set of wrongdoers, and, on the other hand, a concept of responsiblity, which is, I think, a more broad suggestion that all of us, whatever our lineage, whatever our ancestory, whatever our complicity, still have a moral duty... to make things right. And that's a moral duty that's incumbent on everybody who inherits this nation, regardless of whatever the history is.

You said:

Yet many would like me to pay out of my wallet to make some liberals feel like they are making amends for the past, and im supposed to do it solely because im white. fuck that.

Show us where Mr. Liu said anything like that. He said there will be costs, he listed some of the ways those costs could be manifested, and he said:

It's going to require giving up something. So, until we can have that further conversation of what it is we're willing to give up, I agree that the reconcilliation can't occur.

He did NOT say that payments of any kind could or should come from your wallet, whether that means money or lint. He said:

And I think, to add one more point on top of that, the exercise of that responsiblity... necessarily requires the answer to the question, 'What are we willing to give up to make things right?" because it's going to require us to give up something. Whether it's the seat at Harvard, the seat at Princeton, or is it going to require us to give up our segregated neighborhoods, our segregated schools? Is it going to require us to give up our money? It's going to require giving up something. So, until we can have that further conversation of what it is we're willing to give up, I agree that the reconcilliation can't occur.

In other words, you've wasted everyone's time and far too many words without saying jack shit about what Mr. Liu actually said. Your pathetic spelling and grammar may explain your inability to comprehend his words, but they don't excuse your obvious paranoia and bigotry.

And of course you drop the 'bigot' bomb again since someone has a different opinion from yours, so once again bravo.

I didn't drop any "bomb." I said you're a bigot. Your own words make that point far better than anything I could say.