Obama leading McCain 50 42

[crisscross]

Gallup

Barack Obama leads John McCain, 50% to 42% among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday -- just one point shy of his strongest showing of the year.

Never mind what the pundits say looks like the American Public think Obama was the clear winner in the debates. Can't wait for next Thursday.

 

[Stunt]

The debates were not a game changer.
The McCain political stunt and people questioning the Palin pick is reflected in those numbers.

 

[quest55720]

This election has been over for about a week soon as economic problems came up. Going to be tough 4 years for the working class as Obama kills us with high energy costs. It really sucks that Pelosi will control this country for 4 years. I just hope the republicans can get there act together over the next 2 years and win back the house and enough senate seats stop Pelosi.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Stunt
The debates were not a game changer.
The McCain political stunt and people questioning the Palin pick is reflected in those numbers.

Every tracking poll seems to show a bit of a leap for Obama on Saturday, the first full day after the debate.

Nate Silver has estimated that winning a debate gives you about a 2 point bump.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: crisscross
Gallup

Barack Obama leads John McCain, 50% to 42% among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday -- just one point shy of his strongest showing of the year.

Never mind what the pundits say looks like the American Public think Obama was the clear winner in the debates. Can't wait for next Thursday.

What states changed their Electoral Vote?

None that I know of.

Nothing has changed, it's still an easy lock for McCain.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: quest55720
This election has been over for about a week soon as economic problems came up. Going to be tough 4 years for the working class as Obama kills us with high energy costs. It really sucks that Pelosi will control this country for 4 years. I just hope the republicans can get there act together over the next 2 years and win back the house and enough senate seats stop Pelosi.

How do you figure? In Texas, where we went through 'deregulation' of utilities, pushed through by the Republicans who dominate our state, we have sky-high electric/gas prices. More state-regulated markets like Florida have much lower utility prices.

Or do you think, judging by your sig, that more offshore drilling = lower costs for oil/gas? I think that would be true if we had oil companies that actually wanted to lower costs (they don't), and more refineries to increase the actual capacity for processing oil into gasoline in the first place.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: quest55720
This election has been over for about a week soon as economic problems came up. Going to be tough 4 years for the working class as Obama kills us with high energy costs. It really sucks that Pelosi will control this country for 4 years. I just hope the republicans can get there act together over the next 2 years and win back the house and enough senate seats stop Pelosi.

huh?

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: quest55720
This election has been over for about a week soon as economic problems came up. Going to be tough 4 years for the working class as Obama kills us with high energy costs. It really sucks that Pelosi will control this country for 4 years. I just hope the republicans can get there act together over the next 2 years and win back the house and enough senate seats stop Pelosi.

How do you figure? In Texas, where we went through 'deregulation' of utilities, pushed through by the Republicans who dominate our state, we have sky-high electric/gas prices. More state-regulated markets like Florida have much lower utility prices.

Or do you think, judging by your sig, that more offshore drilling = lower costs for oil/gas? I think that would be true if we had oil companies that actually wanted to lower costs (they don't), and more refineries to increase the actual capacity for processing oil into gasoline in the first place.

Obama/Pelosi are anti-drilling,anti-nuclear and anti-coal. That means expensive alternative energy which will be passed on the the consumer.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Stunt
The debates were not a game changer.
The McCain political stunt and people questioning the Palin pick is reflected in those numbers.

Every tracking poll seems to show a bit of a leap for Obama on Saturday, the first full day after the debate.

Nate Silver has estimated that winning a debate gives you about a 2 point bump.

The weekend is also a time where people get away from work, sit down with friends and family, read the paper or watch the news about the previous week. Either way nobody clearly won the debate and people in general did not get the answers they wanted especially on the economic questions.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: crisscross
Gallup

Barack Obama leads John McCain, 50% to 42% among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday -- just one point shy of his strongest showing of the year.

Never mind what the pundits say looks like the American Public think Obama was the clear winner in the debates. Can't wait for next Thursday.

What states changed their Electoral Vote?

None that I know of.

Nothing has changed, it's still an easy lock for McCain.

Last I heard, Michigan went from undecided to blue since the debate ended. That's a change

Also, Minnesota is still undecided (if you include uncertainty) but has leaned closer to Obama over the weekend.

 

[Vic]

I think the debates helped Obama by allowing Americans to see once and for all that Obama is clearly not an 'empty suit.'

While the dirty tactics of McCain and the Republicans are starting to wear thin what little credibility they have left with independents.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Stunt
The debates were not a game changer.
The McCain political stunt and people questioning the Palin pick is reflected in those numbers.

Every tracking poll seems to show a bit of a leap for Obama on Saturday, the first full day after the debate.

Nate Silver has estimated that winning a debate gives you about a 2 point bump.

The weekend is also a time where people get away from work, sit down with friends and family, read the paper or watch the news about the previous week. Either way nobody clearly won the debate and people in general did not get the answers they wanted especially on the economic questions.

The American people disagree. Nearly every poll suggests that Obama was the winner.

 

[retrospooty]

I am sure by the end of this next week, once the full polling numbers are taken after the debate, Obama will have and even larger lead. Likely to break the 50% barrier.

This past 2 weeks were really bad for McCain...

1. Fundamentally strong economy comment
2. Palin - Couric interview
3. Suspending campaign seen as a botched political move
4. Debate - coming off as a stubborn grouchy old man stuck in the past.
5. Campaign manager tied to Fannie/Freddi taking millions of dollars over the past several years
6. Getting publicly outed for repeatedly lying to discredit Obama

did I miss anything???

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Stunt
The debates were not a game changer.
The McCain political stunt and people questioning the Palin pick is reflected in those numbers.

Every tracking poll seems to show a bit of a leap for Obama on Saturday, the first full day after the debate.

Nate Silver has estimated that winning a debate gives you about a 2 point bump.

The weekend is also a time where people get away from work, sit down with friends and family, read the paper or watch the news about the previous week. Either way nobody clearly won the debate and people in general did not get the answers they wanted especially on the economic questions.

The American people disagree. Nearly every poll suggests that Obama was the winner.

If you had to assign a winner/loser sure I agree.
It all depends how you ask the question...if it's "Who won the debate McCain or Obama?" you get a winner...but if you ask "Did the debates change who you plan on voting for?" I don't think you'd get many people say yes and not in favor of one particular candidate.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Stunt
The debates were not a game changer.
The McCain political stunt and people questioning the Palin pick is reflected in those numbers.

Every tracking poll seems to show a bit of a leap for Obama on Saturday, the first full day after the debate.

Nate Silver has estimated that winning a debate gives you about a 2 point bump.

The weekend is also a time where people get away from work, sit down with friends and family, read the paper or watch the news about the previous week. Either way nobody clearly won the debate and people in general did not get the answers they wanted especially on the economic questions.

The American people disagree. Nearly every poll suggests that Obama was the winner.

As I said in the debate thread, a tie or even a tight win for McCain in that debate is still a loss for him. The reason is because foreign policy is his schtick. That's the product he's selling America. So if Obama can hang with McCain on foreign policy, and Obama has superior economic and domestic credentials, then McCain loses.

 

[retrospooty]

Either way nobody clearly won the debate and people in general did not get the answers they wanted especially on the economic questions.

The experts agree that the debate was pretty much a tie, with no clear winner... But the public polls show different. All polls on the debate say the people think Obama won, or at least have a much better opionion of him than McCain on the debate.

The other thing the debate did was show the people that think Obama can only do good speeches, but knows nothing that they were wrong.

All of the above will only help Obama and hurt McCain.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: crisscross
Gallup

Barack Obama leads John McCain, 50% to 42% among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday -- just one point shy of his strongest showing of the year.

Never mind what the pundits say looks like the American Public think Obama was the clear winner in the debates. Can't wait for next Thursday.

What states changed their Electoral Vote?

None that I know of.

Nothing has changed, it's still an easy lock for McCain.

Last I heard, Michigan went from undecided to blue since the debate ended. That's a change

Also, Minnesota is still undecided (if you include uncertainty) but has leaned closer to Obama over the weekend.

Wrong

I have had Michigan and Minnesota SOLID Blue since June

Proof

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: crisscross
Gallup

Barack Obama leads John McCain, 50% to 42% among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday -- just one point shy of his strongest showing of the year.

Never mind what the pundits say looks like the American Public think Obama was the clear winner in the debates. Can't wait for next Thursday.

What states changed their Electoral Vote?

None that I know of.

Nothing has changed, it's still an easy lock for McCain.

Last I heard, Michigan went from undecided to blue since the debate ended. That's a change

Also, Minnesota is still undecided (if you include uncertainty) but has leaned closer to Obama over the weekend.

Wrong

I have had Michigan and Minnesota SOLID Blue since June

Proof

Oh FFS, Dave, you have Hawaii as red. WTF.

 

[jpeyton]

Prediction: After Thursday's VP debate, the polls will show the race going past the point of no return for McCain.

As we get closer and closer to election day, it gets increasingly harder and harder for McCain to cut into Obama's lead. An 8-point lead 3 months out is a lot less important than an 8-point lead 1 month out.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: quest55720
This election has been over for about a week soon as economic problems came up. Going to be tough 4 years for the working class as Obama kills us with high energy costs. It really sucks that Pelosi will control this country for 4 years. I just hope the republicans can get there act together over the next 2 years and win back the house and enough senate seats stop Pelosi.

How do you figure? In Texas, where we went through 'deregulation' of utilities, pushed through by the Republicans who dominate our state, we have sky-high electric/gas prices. More state-regulated markets like Florida have much lower utility prices.

Or do you think, judging by your sig, that more offshore drilling = lower costs for oil/gas? I think that would be true if we had oil companies that actually wanted to lower costs (they don't), and more refineries to increase the actual capacity for processing oil into gasoline in the first place.

Obama/Pelosi are anti-drilling,anti-nuclear and anti-coal. That means expensive alternative energy which will be passed on the the consumer.

Do you know how much rigs, power plants and clean coal factories cost? Or are you of the mindset we can continue to print money forever.

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: crisscross
Gallup

Barack Obama leads John McCain, 50% to 42% among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday -- just one point shy of his strongest showing of the year.

Never mind what the pundits say looks like the American Public think Obama was the clear winner in the debates. Can't wait for next Thursday.

What states changed their Electoral Vote?

None that I know of.

Nothing has changed, it's still an easy lock for McCain.

Last I heard, Michigan went from undecided to blue since the debate ended. That's a change

Also, Minnesota is still undecided (if you include uncertainty) but has leaned closer to Obama over the weekend.

Wrong

I have had Michigan and Minnesota SOLID Blue since June

Proof

Oh FFS, Dave, you have Hawaii as red. WTF.

lol. yah fix that up.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: bdude
lol. yah fix that up.

Have you see Conky around lately?

I hope he doesn't skip town on November 5th :laugh:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bdude

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: crisscross
Gallup

Barack Obama leads John McCain, 50% to 42% among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday -- just one point shy of his strongest showing of the year.

Never mind what the pundits say looks like the American Public think Obama was the clear winner in the debates. Can't wait for next Thursday.

What states changed their Electoral Vote?

None that I know of.

Nothing has changed, it's still an easy lock for McCain.

Last I heard, Michigan went from undecided to blue since the debate ended. That's a change

Also, Minnesota is still undecided (if you include uncertainty) but has leaned closer to Obama over the weekend.

Wrong

I have had Michigan and Minnesota SOLID Blue since June

Proof

Oh FFS, Dave, you have Hawaii as red. WTF.

lol. yah fix that up.

Look at the second Map.

Forget it, I will bring the second Map up to the original June post.

Edit: Moved August 3rd Map up to top of original post.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Today's map at RCP Textshows NC and VA flipping for Obama, if only by the narrowest of margins. If the predictions over at 538.com are indeed correct, then Obama can add about another 1-2 points in his favor in those states, which would likely give him OH, FL, and possibly MO. If true, that's the difference between a tight electoral college race and a landslide (273-265 vs. 370+ for Obama).

That's one hell of a game changer, since about 3% of a popular vote change in Obama's favor is the difference between a cliffhanger and a landslide.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: uclaLabrat
Today's map at RCP Textshows NC and VA flipping for Obama, if only by the narrowest of margins. If the predictions over at 538.com are indeed correct, then Obama can add about another 1-2 points in his favor in those states, which would likely give him OH, FL, and possibly MO. If true, that's the difference between a tight electoral college race and a landslide (273-265 vs. 370+ for Obama).

That's one hell of a game changer, since about 3% of a popular vote change in Obama's favor is the difference between a cliffhanger and a landslide.

I would hardly call the Electoral Votes of 2 or 3 states a landslide decision.

I don't see Virginia and North Carolina going Obama especially Virginia.

North Carolina is in play but still leaning McCain.

I've said in the words of the late Tim Russert, this one is

North Carolina North Carolina North Carolina