Obama Job Approval Dips Below 60% for First Time

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
I'd say we are just repeating history, in the fact that FDR kept us in the depression, until the war brought us out.

So you're saying that if we simply declare war on Germany, Italy and Japan, our economic problems will be fixed... I like the cut of your jib. It got us out of one depression, it can by God work again! Rally the troops! Buy war bonds! Let's go sock it to Jerry!

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: mooseracing
I don't understand why the masses thought he would be good for America anyway. Look at all the "great" politicians in Ill. Let alone tax and murder rates.



I'd say we are just repeating history, in the fact that FDR kept us in the depression, until the war brought us out.

It's embarrassing how wrong you are.

Yea, because Blogo was really great.. so was Roland Burris.. and to be bipartisan, lets not forget George Homer Ryan.. all great Ill politicians.

Yea, The recession during FDR's time last aprox 8-10 years. Since Obama likes to be compared to FDR, are we going to be in this recession for at least another 8 years? I hope not.

 

[jonks]

Here's hoping some day there might actually be a conservative voice on this forum worth responding to.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: jonks
Here's hoping some day there might actually be a conservative voice on this forum worth responding to.

And here's hoping that when that conservative voice appears, that you will be open enough to hear it, much less comprehend it hahaha

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: jonks
Here's hoping some day there might actually be a conservative voice on this forum worth responding to.

And here's hoping that when that conservative voice appears, that you will be open enough to hear it, much less comprehend it hahaha

Well at least you admit one isn't around now.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's like you learned how to crap out of your mouth and you're just so excited to show everyone.

Cartman?

That is sig-worthy right there.

 

[nullzero]

Could we get a count of many times Obama said in his state of the union; HOPE, CHANGE, and BUILD? Obama is like a used car salesman... I give it one year and Obama should have approval ratings under 50%. He will never have approval ratings under 30% because he has to many brain washed people that would go down with the ship. My guess is we will see approval ratings hover around 40% for the majority of his presidency.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: nullzero
Could we get a count of many times Obama said in his state of the union; HOPE, CHANGE, and BUILD? Obama is like a used car salesman... I give it one year and Obama should have approval ratings under 50%. He will never have approval ratings under 30% because he has to many brain washed people that would go down with the ship. My guess is we will see approval ratings hover around 40% for the majority of his presidency.

How dare you callings us brainwashed when he has done a great job (so far), in a swift fashion, to try to tackle our economic problem... ?

your failure to give credit to other people's deed is a better indication that yourself, is the one being brainwashed.

 

[nobodyknows]

Your best thread ever OP, it gave me lots of chuckles.

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nullzero
Could we get a count of many times Obama said in his state of the union; HOPE, CHANGE, and BUILD? Obama is like a used car salesman... I give it one year and Obama should have approval ratings under 50%. He will never have approval ratings under 30% because he has to many brain washed people that would go down with the ship. My guess is we will see approval ratings hover around 40% for the majority of his presidency.

How dare you callings us brainwashed when he has done a great job (so far), in a swift fashion, to try to tackle our economic problem... ?

your failure to give credit to other people's deed is a better indication that yourself, is the one being brainwashed.

Every speech that I have heard from Obama has been filled with trigger words that are used over and over again to spur emotion and sway opinions. You should read up more on books regarding the history and art of spin doctors, propaganda, and media. I cut my watching of T.V. by about 90% or more 4 years ago. I will only watch it if there is breaking news, a youtube clip, or if I step into the room of someone who is watching it. You will notice after cutting back drastically that you will think much differently regarding matters and enhance your skills by reading and hands on activities.

Tell me what Obama has done?

Has he pulled out our troops from Iraq yet? NO

Did he cut deficit spending like he said he would? NO (he actually increased the rate of spending to insane levels)

He still has plenty of time to make good on his promises but I think our captain has to much on his platter and is driving the U.S. which I like to call the Titanic into the bottom of the sea.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: nullzero
Could we get a count of many times Obama said in his state of the union; HOPE, CHANGE, and BUILD? Obama is like a used car salesman... I give it one year and Obama should have approval ratings under 50%. He will never have approval ratings under 30% because he has to many brain washed people that would go down with the ship. My guess is we will see approval ratings hover around 40% for the majority of his presidency.

your point?
Name somebody else who would have a better chance than Obama has at trying to straighten out the mess you ex-commander in chief Bush left us in??

It`s idiots like younullzero who make stupid grandious statements who actully don`t care that somebody wants to try to fix what GWB messed up!!
GWB left us such a mess I wouldn`t besuprused if it took a very long to to clean up!!

Lasting change takes time and perseverance!

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: nullzero
Could we get a count of many times Obama said in his state of the union; HOPE, CHANGE, and BUILD? Obama is like a used car salesman... I give it one year and Obama should have approval ratings under 50%. He will never have approval ratings under 30% because he has to many brain washed people that would go down with the ship. My guess is we will see approval ratings hover around 40% for the majority of his presidency.

your point?
Name somebody else who would have a better chance than Obama has at trying to straighten out the mess you ex-commander in chief Bush left us in??

It`s idiots like younullzero who make stupid grandious statements who actully don`t care that somebody wants to try to fix what GWB messed up!!
GWB left us such a mess I wouldn`t besuprused if it took a very long to to clean up!!

Lasting change takes time and perseverance!

No doubt bush was an idiot that screwed it up. But quite frankly Obama has no clue what he is doing with the economy. If Obama can not get a hold of the ship and straighten out our course soon we will see this country falling apart. Its not Obama's fault at all its just that I think he is part of the same old system that has failed us all.

I counted how many times key words were said in Obama's state of the union;

build, rebuild, builds, built, etc. (11 times)
prosper, prosperity, etc. (5 times)
crisis (11 times)
economy (22 times)
future (10 times)
work, working, worked, etc. (18 times)

remarkably these two words were not spoken that much;

Hope (3 times)
Change (2 times)

So it seems his speech writers have changed focused on the spin to economy, work, crisis, build, future. So a optimal Obama quote would be; " The economy is in crisis lets work to rebuild our future."

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: nullzero


Tell me what Obama has done?

get recovery bill passed within his first 30 days in the office. (usually it takes forever).
get recover.org up
get stimulus plan planned out, and obay to Keynesian theory (spend on infrastructure).

Bush has done none of above in 8 years

Has he pulled out our troops from Iraq yet? NO

Bush had 8 yrs to do that but he never did... and you expect Obama to pull out every troop within 30 days ? :roll:

Did he cut deficit spending like he said he would? NO (he actually increased the rate of spending to insane levels)

:roll: why should he? deficit spending is exactly what we need during economic crisis.

But quite frankly Obama has no clue what he is doing with the economy.

you are the one who have NO CLUE what your saying, of course you have no idea what he is doing . its called Keynesian Effect next time, pleasek keep your mouth shut when you dnt know.

deficit spending
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deficit spending
deficit spending
deficit spending

 

[irwincur]

FDR was only great because he somehow managed to pay off enough of society to get elected to three terms. His performance on the other hand - not so great when you really analyze it. Could it have been worse - hell yes. Could it have been better - hell yes.

Sadly, it looks like Obama is borrowing from those same tactics. Scare the poor, take the money from the rich, and then spend it all on BS projects in the name of social justice and infrastructure. Does nothing for the actual economy really, just guarantees that those on the recieving end of the hand outs give votes to their benefactor.

Pretty simple. FDR was not even the first to do this.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Sadly, it looks like Obama is borrowing from those same tactics. Scare the poor, take the money from the rich, and then spend it all on BS projects in the name of social justice and infrastructure. .

are you talking about the infrastructure that has prospered us for the last 60+ yrs?... oh ya, it ain't working... :roll:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: irwincur
FDR was only great because he somehow managed to pay off enough of society to get elected to three terms. His performance on the other hand - not so great when you really analyze it. Could it have been worse - hell yes. Could it have been better - hell yes.

Sadly, it looks like Obama is borrowing from those same tactics. Scare the poor, take the money from the rich, and then spend it all on BS projects in the name of social justice and infrastructure. Does nothing for the actual economy really, just guarantees that those on the recieving end of the hand outs give votes to their benefactor.

Pretty simple. FDR was not even the first to do this.

Well, looks like your opinion is in the minority. In the rankings of the greatest presidents of all time, done by economists, historians, political scientists, and even your average joe from across the ideological spectrum, FDR ranks among the greatest US presidents of all time every time. He is #3 or better in every poll but one where he ranks #5.

Link

It's interesting to see the right suddenly go after FDR as if they are going to be able to taint his legacy.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: irwincur
FDR was only great because he somehow managed to pay off enough of society to get elected to three terms. His performance on the other hand - not so great when you really analyze it. Could it have been worse - hell yes. Could it have been better - hell yes.

Sadly, it looks like Obama is borrowing from those same tactics. Scare the poor, take the money from the rich, and then spend it all on BS projects in the name of social justice and infrastructure. Does nothing for the actual economy really, just guarantees that those on the recieving end of the hand outs give votes to their benefactor.

Pretty simple. FDR was not even the first to do this.

Well, looks like your opinion is in the minority. In the rankings of the greatest presidents of all time, done by economists, historians, political scientists, and even your average joe from across the ideological spectrum, FDR ranks among the greatest US presidents of all time every time. He is #3 or better in every poll but one where he ranks #5.

Link

It's interesting to see the right suddenly go after FDR as if they are going to be able to taint his legacy.

Well keep in mind many of them also believe they can save GWB's... so yeah..

 

[irwincur]

Just because he was popular does not mean he was necessarily good. I can think of a lot of leaders that were popular but complete trash.

He was popular mainly because he gave money away at a time when most people had nothing. Shit, if I could sit on a street corner and hand out hundreds to everyone that passed by, I would soon be the most popular person in town.

 

[nullzero]

you are the one who have NO CLUE what your saying, of course you have no idea what he is doing . its called Keynesian Effect next time, pleasek keep your mouth shut when you dnt know.

You have not been keeping track of Obama's solutions the markets do not like any of what he has said. Leaks come out from the administration one day saying something the next they disregard it. Look at the opposition of the housing plan, the flip flopping on the nationalization of banks, the lack of details from Treasury Sec. and administration on bank plan, and the lack of transparency still in our financial system.

Our government can spend on another +1 trillion dollars and it still will not plug the hole in the dam. We all better pray that foreign countries continue to buy up our treasury auctions. If not it is game over and the so called "Keynesian Effect" would fail instantly. You sir are clueless what allows us to spend money like we do.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has pleaded with China to continue buying US Treasury bonds amid mounting fears that Washington may struggle to finance bank bail-outs and ballooning deficits over the next 2-years.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/...idUKPTIP33029120090223

 

[Pepsei]

omg, i don't think i can put up 4 years of this quality post.

 

[sportage]

Looks like its time to take a vacation from the PnL forum... :roll:

 

[Moonbeam]

I am trying to decide whether to post in this right-wingnut's thread on Obama's loss of popularity, or another wingnut's post warning about worhiping him as the Messiah.

The wonderful thing about being crazy is that you don't need to pay attention to reality.

"Gimmy some data, any data, and I''ll show you how Obama's worthless."

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Just because he was popular does not mean he was necessarily good. I can think of a lot of leaders that were popular but complete trash.

He was popular mainly because he gave money away at a time when most people had nothing. Shit, if I could sit on a street corner and hand out hundreds to everyone that passed by, I would soon be the most popular person in town.

Looks like you didn't read my link. You should probably have done that before replying. The polls done were those of historians, political scientists, economists, etc. about who was the BEST president, not the most popular. This is why Truman usually does well in those polls despite being extremely unpopular in his time.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Well, looks like your opinion is in the minority. In the rankings of the greatest presidents of all time, done by economists, historians, political scientists, and even your average joe from across the ideological spectrum, FDR ranks among the greatest US presidents of all time every time. He is #3 or better in every poll but one where he ranks #5.

FDR's confidence, oratory skills and use of what was then the new technology of radio probably did more to lead the nation out of the Great Depression than any particular aspects of the New Deal. Similarly, while I don't think anyone can question FDR's qualities as a leader, one can certainly debate if WW2, and America's emergence from that war as a global power, did not play a larger role in the economic turnaround often accredited to FDR.

Similarly, Reagan's oratory skills and persona is what led us through the recession of the 1980s...it truly is an amazing that a dynamic exists between public confidence and economic prosperity.

It is no surprise that many in the media are now comparing Obama to FDR and Reagan. Obama is a great speaker...and projects a confidence and sense of command that Bush never managed to muster...will it be enough??? Too soon to tell.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Well, looks like your opinion is in the minority. In the rankings of the greatest presidents of all time, done by economists, historians, political scientists, and even your average joe from across the ideological spectrum, FDR ranks among the greatest US presidents of all time every time. He is #3 or better in every poll but one where he ranks #5.

FDR's confidence, oratory skills and use of what was then the new technology of radio probably did more to lead the nation out of the Great Depression than any particular aspects of the New Deal. Similarly, while I don't think anyone can question FDR's qualities as a leader, one can certainly debate if WW2, and America's emergence from that war as a global power, did not play a larger role in the economic turnaround often accredited to FDR.

Similarly, Reagan's oratory skills and persona is what led us through the recession of the 1980s...it truly is an amazing that a dynamic exists between public confidence and economic prosperity.

It is no surprise that many in the media are now comparing Obama to FDR and Reagan. Obama is a great speaker...and projects a confidence and sense of command that Bush never managed to muster...will it be enough??? Too soon to tell.

Obama does speak well. He says whatever President Pelosi tells him to.