Obama is not RobinHood

RichardE

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We truly need to stop this comparison. Taken from a newsletter I subscribe too.

Robin: Rob? That's a naughty word, Little John, we never rob! We just sort of borrow a bit from those who can afford it.
Little John: Borrow? Boy! Are we in debt!
?Exchange in Walt Disney's Robin Hood

Even before the election, various media outlets hammered home the comparison between Obama and Robin Hood. A very brief Google search reveals hundreds of "Obama Robin Hood" hits, beginning with comments from Bob Barr. From the Wall Street Journal to the New York Post to Bloomberg to the Sydney Morning Herald it goes on, ad nauseum. (My personal favorite is the Barack Obama Robin Hood doll.) While some of these comparisons are intentionally critical (such as Barr's), likening Obama to such a well-known and well-loved folk hero as Robin Hood clearly sheds an overall positive light on both himself and his programs.

It is a comparison that needs to stop, out of respect for our own mythology and the future of our country. On closer examination, Obama's plans bear only a cursory resemblance to career and goals of Robin Hood.

The legend of Robin of the Hood is first and foremost that: a legend. While it is likely that there is some remote historical basis for the accounts, the adventures are really more inspiring stories (particularly enjoyed at bed time) than they are history. Robin is described as a noble or a small landholder who loses his status due to an indiscretion (sometimes trumped up, sometimes halfway deserved) and flees into Sherwood Forest to escape punishment. Once there, he gathers a band of good but similarly desperate men around him, and eventually decides to strike back at the persecutors of his people. He attacks only the rich, and then gives much of his takings back to the poor. In doing so, he obstructs the illegal taxation of the people by Prince John. John, of course, was trying to prevent the return of his brother, King Richard, in an attempt to seize the throne of England.

With a little spin, this can look a lot like what Obama is doing. His taxes are supposed to fall primarily on a vague segment of the population known to the American Left as "the Rich," which at the moment seems to be those making $250,000 a year or more (a salary the likes of which I doubt I will ever see). This definition remains fluid for the current administration, depending upon political expedients. While much of this wealth would be sucked up by the government bureaucracy run by his Merry People, what was left would be funneled through his government programs and then redistributed to the "Poor," another not-so-well-defined group. As Obama himself put it, he will ". . . spread the wealth around."

And this is where the similarities end, it seems, and the stark contrasts begin:

-- Robin fought against the unfair intrusion of a government that wanted to add layer after layer of new taxes onto the people. Obama is the very manifestation of a large, intrusive government, and is actively laying layer after layer of new taxes onto the people.

--In the Hood legends, Robin was very careful to steal only from those rich who had not worked for their money. The presumption in the stories is that the ones he stole from had no moral right to the wealth they accumulated, since they had not earned it. Today, in a capitalist society, many people who enjoy riches have labored hard for them. Obama has made no practical moral distinctions on this question, as Robin did. If one makes X amount of money, then one is "Rich" and deserving to be robbed (or "encouraged by use of force to make donations," if you prefer).

While we all like to see slimy, good-for-nothing elitists get what's coming to them, Obama has not demonstrated any strong evidence that these are indeed the people he's targeting, or that the idea of earning one's way enters into this at all. To Democrats in general, the mere fact that a person possesses a certain amount of wealth is enough to show that he or she is immoral and undeserving of it ? unless of course suitable donations to the DNC have been made.

-- According to the stories, Robin was careful to oversee the distribution of his "tax rebates" and make sure that those who received them were truly worthy. If not, Robin stopped payment and at times even extracted a return on the wasted money. Once again, Obama has made no such distinctions. If one makes less than a certain amount, one is "Poor" and automatically deserving of the money robbed from the "Rich." His programs seem to presume the opposite of Robin's; in fact, as many have observed, his "spendulus" plan actively rewards the irresponsible spenders.

-- In the stories, Robin is really returning the people's own money back to them. Prince John and the complicit nobility had taken the money on false pretenses through illegal taxation. Obama's premise is something else entirely: taking one person's earned income and giving it to someone else who may or may not deserve it.
If not Robin Hood, then to whom might we compare Mr. Obama and his program? I would venture to suggest another well-used, perhaps tired, analogy: The Bread and Circuses of Rome. In a capitalist system, the very rich are always a minority. Money may talk, but people vote, and the Democrats are hoping to corner the market on certain populations in the American system by making them dependant on handouts. In a culture that is rapidly losing its grasp on even the idea of right and wrong (let alone that of principled action) this will probably be an effective approach.

But let's be honest about who we're dealing with here. Obama is no Robin Hood, but we just may need one before he's through

As we can see, anything noble Robin did is not truly being repeated by Obama. So the real question is, why do people assume that taking from the wealthy (I won't use rich, 250k+year is not rich) and giving to the irresponsible en masse will somehow fix this situation? An even more burning question is why people are not only accepting, but promoting the attacking of one of the foundations of capitalism? (The ability to succeed). When did we stop rewarding hard work and begin to reward irresponsibility?
 

Andrew1990

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Obama is no Robinhood, I will be the first to tell you that. Now all the Obamanites here will condemn me in saying that Obama's plans are in his and his parties own interest and not of the public good nor the poor. He is using the "poor" as a meat shield to get his bills to pass without everyone getting pissy.
 

Farang

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Why are idiots still equating the modification of our long existing progressive taxation system to the poor stealing from the rich in some radical new world order? I thought this stupid concept only hung around in the atmosphere of presidential politics but alas it continues.
 

microbial

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Originally posted by: daniel49
he owns a pair of those green tights doesn't he?

ha-ha-ha. I think he stole them from Limbaugh...but he's apologizing to him ASAP.

"I'm sorry Rush, I promise I'll bring them back, and I even had that nasty stain laundered"
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Obama is no Robinhood, I will be the first to tell you that. Now all the Obamanites here will condemn me in saying that Obama's plans are in his and his parties own interest and not of the public good nor the poor. He is using the "poor" as a meat shield to get his bills to pass without everyone getting pissy.

Andrew you only have 1044 posts compared to winnar111 has 2391......
I sdomehow get the feeling you guys are brothers.....

I am still amazed that your parents would let you play on the computer this late at nite. Especially when you mist have homework to do!!
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Obama is no Robinhood, I will be the first to tell you that. Now all the Obamanites here will condemn me in saying that Obama's plans are in his and his parties own interest and not of the public good nor the poor. He is using the "poor" as a meat shield to get his bills to pass without everyone getting pissy.

Andrew you only have 1044 posts compared to winnar111 has 2391......
I sdomehow get the feeling you guys are brothers.....

I am still amazed that your parents would let you play on the computer this late at nite. Especially when you mist have homework to do!!

With someone whose last few posts tonight are filled with...

your a fraud my friend...wasting good internet space with this tin foil crap..


didn`t read ther whole article did you.....

It`s a nin-issue!! The problem was resolved!!

What is there to discuss?

Andrew you only have 1044 posts compared to winnar111 has 2391......
I sdomehow get the feeling you guys are brothers.....

I am still amazed that your parents would let you play on the computer this late at nite. Especially when you mist have homework to do!!

I would say the same to you, maybe you should go do some homework so you can gain enough knowledge that you can actually contribute to discussion instead of just blindly attacking people who have opinions you don't agree with on a very superficial level. I say superficial because if you had any depth to your reasoning you might actually establish some sort of argument besides one liners that a 6th grader would be embarrassed to utter.
 

sandorski

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What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

He was a villain to the sheriff and the king.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

Maybe not a "villain" but definitely a thief/scofflaw.
 

QuantumPion

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

He was a villain to the sheriff and the king.

Yeah, because Robin Hood was actually famous for robbing from the tax collectors and returning it to the rightful landowners. :)
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

Maybe not a "villain" but definitely a thief/scofflaw.

There's a difference?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

He was a villain to the sheriff and the king.

Yeah, because Robin Hood was actually famous for robbing from the tax collectors and returning it to the rightful landowners. :)

'Rightful' is where you get services for your taxes and have a say in their amount and how they are spent via representative government. Monkeys in the jungle pay no taxes although the natural primate instinct to sacrifice, life, if need be, for the troop, the primordial root of the tax instinct, is already well developed.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

Maybe not a "villain" but definitely a thief/scofflaw.

There's a difference?

difference in/of what?

between villian and thief/scofflaw? or thief and scofflaw? Define you question so you can't twist it after I reply.
 
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

Maybe not a "villain" but definitely a thief/scofflaw.

And Luke Skywalker was a dirty rebel. We have lots of stories and legends about heroes who specifically went against the established order and committed crimes in the name of what was right. Hell, that's how our country was founded; the Boston Tea Party wasn't a legal act of protest, it was a violent destruction of property in the battle against unwarranted taxation. Acting out against unfair laws has long been seen as a heroic act; Robin Hood exemplifies this.

To compare a taxation that you see as "unfair" to a mythological act of heroism... well, that's just not sensible. It undermines your argument. You might as well say that Obama is dumping into Boston Harbor the tea of the nobles, the gall! We were raised to view these stories as acts of heroism. Trying to convince us that they are now acts of evil is not going to work.

They should start calling Obama the Sherriff of Nottingham, or better, Prince John (not that I agree with the comparison, I'm just trying to help you guys out). He was the villain levying the taxes. Rush can come in claiming that he's the Robin Hood figure, the savior, the man fighting the unfair taxation and returning the money to the people who earned it. That's how the myth works. Only a fucking idiot would think that Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids, could be transformed into a model of socialism and we'd all jump on board.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: microbial
Originally posted by: daniel49
he owns a pair of those green tights doesn't he?

ha-ha-ha. I think he stole them from Limbaugh...but he's apologizing to him ASAP.

"I'm sorry Rush, I promise I'll bring them back, and I even had that nasty stain laundered"

Stain? now your going back to the Clinton years. Lets not go there.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

Maybe not a "villain" but definitely a thief/scofflaw.

And Luke Skywalker was a dirty rebel. We have lots of stories and legends about heroes who specifically went against the established order and committed crimes in the name of what was right. Hell, that's how our country was founded; the Boston Tea Party wasn't a legal act of protest, it was a violent destruction of property in the battle against unwarranted taxation. Acting out against unfair laws has long been seen as a heroic act; Robin Hood exemplifies this.

To compare a taxation that you see as "unfair" to a mythological act of heroism... well, that's just not sensible. It undermines your argument. You might as well say that Obama is dumping into Boston Harbor the tea of the nobles, the gall! We were raised to view these stories as acts of heroism. Trying to convince us that they are now acts of evil is not going to work.

They should start calling Obama the Sherriff of Nottingham, or better, Prince John (not that I agree with the comparison, I'm just trying to help you guys out). He was the villain levying the taxes. Rush can come in claiming that he's the Robin Hood figure, the savior, the man fighting the unfair taxation and returning the money to the people who earned it. That's how the myth works. Only a fucking idiot would think that Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids, could be transformed into a model of socialism and we'd all jump on board.

Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids
Oh really? I'm sorry, by the age I was able to determine "hero" I was also of the age to know right from wrong and saw RH for the thief he was. Granted, the story line glamorizes it but I'm pretty sure I never considered him a "hero". The rest of your post isn't relevant to my post so at this point I'm going to ignore it since I've not asserted what you attacked.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

Maybe not a "villain" but definitely a thief/scofflaw.

And Luke Skywalker was a dirty rebel. We have lots of stories and legends about heroes who specifically went against the established order and committed crimes in the name of what was right. Hell, that's how our country was founded; the Boston Tea Party wasn't a legal act of protest, it was a violent destruction of property in the battle against unwarranted taxation. Acting out against unfair laws has long been seen as a heroic act; Robin Hood exemplifies this.

To compare a taxation that you see as "unfair" to a mythological act of heroism... well, that's just not sensible. It undermines your argument. You might as well say that Obama is dumping into Boston Harbor the tea of the nobles, the gall! We were raised to view these stories as acts of heroism. Trying to convince us that they are now acts of evil is not going to work.

They should start calling Obama the Sherriff of Nottingham, or better, Prince John (not that I agree with the comparison, I'm just trying to help you guys out). He was the villain levying the taxes. Rush can come in claiming that he's the Robin Hood figure, the savior, the man fighting the unfair taxation and returning the money to the people who earned it. That's how the myth works. Only a fucking idiot would think that Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids, could be transformed into a model of socialism and we'd all jump on board.

Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids
Oh really? I'm sorry, by the age I was able to determine "hero" I was also of the age to know right from wrong and saw RH for the thief he was. Granted, the story line glamorizes it but I'm pretty sure I never considered him a "hero". The rest of your post isn't relevant to my post so at this point I'm going to ignore it since I've not asserted what you attacked.

Wow, just wow. At what age did you eat the Lead Paint?
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Oh really? I'm sorry, by the age I was able to determine "hero" I was also of the age to know right from wrong and saw RH for the thief he was. Granted, the story line glamorizes it but I'm pretty sure I never considered him a "hero".

Wow, just wow. At what age did you eat the Lead Paint?

haha...he also thinks Luke Skywalker was a rebellious patricide.

(wow, everyone goes right to star wars don't we?)

In sorta non-but-yet-maybe related news, Ridley Scott is doing "Nottingham" with Russell Crowe as the misunderstood titular character and Robin Hood as the less than altruistic rebel! (this is going to be seen as turning the popular version of the story on it's head, hint hint Cad)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

Maybe not a "villain" but definitely a thief/scofflaw.

And Luke Skywalker was a dirty rebel. We have lots of stories and legends about heroes who specifically went against the established order and committed crimes in the name of what was right. Hell, that's how our country was founded; the Boston Tea Party wasn't a legal act of protest, it was a violent destruction of property in the battle against unwarranted taxation. Acting out against unfair laws has long been seen as a heroic act; Robin Hood exemplifies this.

To compare a taxation that you see as "unfair" to a mythological act of heroism... well, that's just not sensible. It undermines your argument. You might as well say that Obama is dumping into Boston Harbor the tea of the nobles, the gall! We were raised to view these stories as acts of heroism. Trying to convince us that they are now acts of evil is not going to work.

They should start calling Obama the Sherriff of Nottingham, or better, Prince John (not that I agree with the comparison, I'm just trying to help you guys out). He was the villain levying the taxes. Rush can come in claiming that he's the Robin Hood figure, the savior, the man fighting the unfair taxation and returning the money to the people who earned it. That's how the myth works. Only a fucking idiot would think that Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids, could be transformed into a model of socialism and we'd all jump on board.

Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids
Oh really? I'm sorry, by the age I was able to determine "hero" I was also of the age to know right from wrong and saw RH for the thief he was. Granted, the story line glamorizes it but I'm pretty sure I never considered him a "hero". The rest of your post isn't relevant to my post so at this point I'm going to ignore it since I've not asserted what you attacked.

Wow, just wow. At what age did you eat the Lead Paint?

Sorry to burst your little bubble but aren't you part of the crowd that was whining about "ends justifying the means"? Hmmm.....

RH was never a "hero" to me as I was taught that stealing was wrong at a very young age.


Oh and are you going to answer my previous question or did I catch your little game before you could work it...
 

ayabe

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Guys, we know the only toys CAD was allowed to have as a child were army men and his Nixon doll.

So please try to have sympathy for his childhood, he doesn't like Robin Hood, that's fine, we all have our heroes.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to burst your little bubble but aren't you part of the crowd that was whining about "ends justifying the means"? Hmmm.....

RH was never a "hero" to me as I was taught that stealing was wrong at a very young age.
You know I'm not a bit surprised you were/are a fan of the Sheriff of Nottingham.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: sandorski
What I find really funny is how Robin Hood has been turned into a Villain. He wasn't the Villain, the Sherriff of Nottingham and the King were the Villains. Those who make Robin Hood into a Villain only prove their support for Dictatorship and Oppression.

Maybe not a "villain" but definitely a thief/scofflaw.

And Luke Skywalker was a dirty rebel. We have lots of stories and legends about heroes who specifically went against the established order and committed crimes in the name of what was right. Hell, that's how our country was founded; the Boston Tea Party wasn't a legal act of protest, it was a violent destruction of property in the battle against unwarranted taxation. Acting out against unfair laws has long been seen as a heroic act; Robin Hood exemplifies this.

To compare a taxation that you see as "unfair" to a mythological act of heroism... well, that's just not sensible. It undermines your argument. You might as well say that Obama is dumping into Boston Harbor the tea of the nobles, the gall! We were raised to view these stories as acts of heroism. Trying to convince us that they are now acts of evil is not going to work.

They should start calling Obama the Sherriff of Nottingham, or better, Prince John (not that I agree with the comparison, I'm just trying to help you guys out). He was the villain levying the taxes. Rush can come in claiming that he's the Robin Hood figure, the savior, the man fighting the unfair taxation and returning the money to the people who earned it. That's how the myth works. Only a fucking idiot would think that Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids, could be transformed into a model of socialism and we'd all jump on board.

Robin Hood, the hero we've loved since we were kids
Oh really? I'm sorry, by the age I was able to determine "hero" I was also of the age to know right from wrong and saw RH for the thief he was. Granted, the story line glamorizes it but I'm pretty sure I never considered him a "hero". The rest of your post isn't relevant to my post so at this point I'm going to ignore it since I've not asserted what you attacked.

Wow, just wow. At what age did you eat the Lead Paint?

Sorry to burst your little bubble but aren't you part of the crowd that was whining about "ends justifying the means"? Hmmm.....

RH was never a "hero" to me as I was taught that stealing was wrong at a very young age.


Oh and are you going to answer my previous question or did I catch your little game before you could work it...

You fail at comprehension. You should probably revisit that story, it wasn't about a Common Thief. It was about a Tyrant and one mans struggle against Tyranny.

I'm not using "Ends justify the means" as an argument. You're using an ill informed viewpoint to draw a conclusion.