Obama is great at giving speach's..but is he gong to do anything else?

[Fear No Evil]

Shouldn't we be complaining about Pelosi? After all, she is the one calling the shots. She has her little puppet strings all over Mr. Obama.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: waggy
this is getting tiering. he seems to be still campaigning. he won..no need to be on TV every day.

Why keep track, others are doing it for you...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Chris
This is what you get when you elect a celebrity lawyer for POTUS.

hey now, he's a community organizer too.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't think you know the meaning of Status Quo.

It's a relative term. You're applying it from administration to administration. I am applying it in to state of US politics as it's been over the past 50 years. Nothing's changed. The parties are as split as ever and the same problems that damned the previous 10 administrations exist under Obama. Same as it ever was. Status quo.

Ahh ok, so what you're really asking for is??

I don't even think you know, other than perhaps Obama should declare himself king, fire all of Congress, and setup a Christian Caliphate, at least we wouldn't need to worry about parties bickering, right?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Shouldn't we be complaining about Pelosi? After all, she is the one calling the shots. She has her little puppet strings all over Mr. Obama.

She has Obama as her pet.
Roll over, wag your tail, spend , spend, now jump !

Its sickening.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't think you know the meaning of Status Quo.

It's a relative term. You're applying it from administration to administration. I am applying it in to state of US politics as it's been over the past 50 years. Nothing's changed. The parties are as split as ever and the same problems that damned the previous 10 administrations exist under Obama. Same as it ever was. Status quo.

sno your spewing your BS everywhere due to your lack of knowledge on the subject.
You make an idiotic claim that Obama is shifting policies from Right to Left.
When I don`t think you have even the slightest concept of what change is.

You like to play in the gray areas to validate your lack of understanding on the subject.

 

[kage69]

Based on your angry list of W conspiracies, I'd say you're the one who is politically polarized here.

Bush ignored "AQ determined to attack within US borders" memo, so no, no conspiracy there. Bush politicized 9/11 (a national disaster I think), so no conspiracy there. Hrmmm, let's see the Cheney, I mean Bush penchant for a unitary executive - there goes your conspiracy hopes for my abuse of checks and balances claim. As for cronyism, please refer to Brown and FEMA, sorry. It's a fact that the map of Iraq had been divvied up between energy players and the Bush admin months before 9/11.

So in addition to your apparent lack of audio and visual receptors, your grasp of recent history is equally as weak. You label the unknown as conspiracy theory, and don't even make an attempt to withdraw or clarify the statement you made which bears a stark contrast to reality.

I support neither Bush or Obama.

Good for you.

Political Compass puts me as a centrist leaning left and libertarian.

Who gives a fvck? Not me.

I don't follow parties,

Right, you just recite their current talking point and add a little of your own ignorance. Save it for someone who gives a sh!t.

I follow my gut.

Or at least, where it terminates. I agree in that so far the brain is removed from the process.

And my gut tells me Obama is just another shitty lawyer who made POTUS by making grandiose campaign promises and being well-spoken with the rhetoric.

Well if opting for that over reality makes you feel better, whatever man, just don't be surprised when you're called out for not knowing the first thing about what you're trying to talk about.

By status quo, I don't mean simply changing the policies of the previous administration. Any Dem candidate would have done the same.

Careful you don't trip doing that backpeddle... wouldn't want you to land in all that bullshit.
Would you like to guess how much speculation is worth from someone who can't even get the past or the present down straight?

Obama promised change, not shifting policies from Right to Left. There's no change, it's just the status quo.

Red's right, you don't know what it even means. I'll take this to mean you won't be acknowledging what's been posted here that proves you wrong.

Away with you parrot.... :disgust:

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: kage69
Bush ignored "AQ determined to attack within US borders" memo, so no, no conspiracy there. Bush politicized 9/11 (a national disaster I think), so no conspiracy there. Hrmmm, let's see the Cheney, I mean Bush penchant for a unitary executive - there goes your conspiracy hopes for my abuse of checks and balances claim. As for cronyism, please refer to Brown and FEMA, sorry. It's a fact that the map of Iraq had been divvied up between energy players and the Bush admin months before 9/11.

You sound like every other GWB hater on these boards. Totally polarized in their Left nut hanging mindset.

Right, you just recite their current talking point and add a little of your own ignorance. Save it for someone who gives a sh!t.

So why respond? You obviously give a shit.

Red's right, you don't know what it even means. I'll take this to mean you won't be acknowledging what's been posted here that proves you wrong.

You clearly don't know how to take things in the context they are presented. Either that or are being willfully ignorant. So when Obama promised "change", he just meant changing GWB's policies. I think not.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: waggy
this is getting tiering. he seems to be still campaigning. he won..no need to be on TV every day.

You mean anything else like what Bush did????

Give us some examples. Maybe you want him to start up another war and lie about it?

 

[alien42]

i watched Obama give a speech and then take questions from the Business Roundtable earlier today.

"Business Roundtable is an association of chief executive officers of leading U.S. companies with more than $5 trillion in annual revenues and nearly 10 million employees. Member companies comprise nearly a third of the total value of the U.S. stock markets and pay nearly half of all corporate income taxes paid to the federal government. Annually, they return $133 billion in dividends to shareholders and the economy."

how dare he continue to give these speeches and communicate with those in charge of the free market

 

[kage69]

how dare he continue to give these speeches and communicate with those in charge of the free market

Feh. That wasn't him, you must have imagined it all. Both his command of subject matter and his physical presence were complete and utter fabrications. It was Nancy Pelosi.

 

[kage69]

You sound like every other GWB hater on these boards. Totally polarized in their Left nut hanging mindset.

Spoken like a true parrot. Never mind addressing points that prove you wrong, proceed directly to diversionary assumptions and stereotyping!

So why respond? You obviously give a shit.

I respond because I care about blatantly false crap like my first quote from you going unanswered, what I don't care about it is you saying:

I don't follow parties

Your political affiliation isn't the issue numbnuts! No one cares where you rated on Political Compass!

Besides, calling attention to your strawman helps emphasize how loaded with fail your argument is.

Spare me any talk of 'context'. You're not even fluent with basics like history. Case in point: if you were, you'd be giving credit to Obama (you know that non-partisan thing you try to pull off) for his change regarding stem cell research. Bush's position was Clinton's essentially, so by changing two administrations policies, he broke the status quo. How many other Presidents have given their first TV address to a foreign, let alone an Arab network????
Likewise your blanket claim of simple reversal of Bush policies fails, please refer to the executive order regarding document review. Whereas former industry lobbyists and execs were commonly found as Bush agency appointees, Obama went and expressly forbid them from working in the corresponding agencies.


Ugh, forget it. I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on someone in the butterbean/winnar/fearnoevil pile.

I'm more than content that your bias and ignorance speak for themselves.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Chris
This is what you get when you elect a celebrity lawyer for POTUS.

Better a celebrity lawyer than a celebrity businessman or, worse, a celebrity actor.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Chris
This is what you get when you elect a celebrity lawyer for POTUS.

Better a celebrity lawyer than a celebrity businessman or, worse, a celebrity actor.

Because lawyers contribute so much to our society over people like businessmen.. :roll: I guess at least they are above community organizers.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I really think that Obama and the Dems have done enough damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314

 

[ch33kym0use]

Yep, I think he does other things apart from the speeches or damage.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Chris
This is what you get when you elect a celebrity lawyer for POTUS.

Better a celebrity lawyer than a celebrity businessman or, worse, a celebrity actor.

Because lawyers contribute so much to our society over people like businessmen.. :roll: I guess at least they are above community organizers.

Not all lawyers are personal injury ambulance-chasers, and most good businessmen are not celebrities.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The man has been fulfilling campaign pledges left and right, and has basically accomplished more in the first month of his admin than the previous one did it's initial 8 months!

He also managed to reverse many of his campaign promises relative to government transparency and changing Washington politics...change is more than simply flipping the switch from red to blue...just as Bush reversed several Clinton Executive orders, Obama has essentially done the same...fairly status quo and nothing revolutionary.

The only action he has taken that I find refreshing was to lift the ban on stem cell research. His Iraq/Afghanistan policy is simply an extension of the strategy already in place, with minor tweaks and better presentation.

As for the rest of your list:

To adhere to the status quo he would be having to ignore crucial intelligence reports and warnings

There haven't been any on his watch yet.

politicizing national disasters

There hasn't been a national disaster to test him, and hopefully there won't be.

abusing his power via eroding checks and balances

Again, he hasn't faced a crisis that would cause a President to expand Executive privileges.

The status quo many of us refer to is not that he maintained the Bush record of failing the tests of his Presidency.

There hasn't been much change in Washington since Obama took office...sure there has been a shift from Republican policy to Democrat policy, but that is the expectation during a shift in political power...that is not change.

What are your expectations, what is an example of change are you look for?

How about true government transparency, where the President does not knee jerk react to the crisis of the day, but instead articulates a long term strategy for dealing with the challenges facing this nation...Obama continues to enjoy strong polling, but his policies are not fairing as well...the last time our government rushed to judgement to appear "decisive" we got locked down in an unpopular and unnecessary war...the stimulus package is following a similar pattern...replace WMDs with Great Depression II and Al Quaida with Wall Street.