Obama: ?hate crimes against Hispanic people doubled last year"

[Queasy]

Full quote

In a speech to the crowd, Obama sharpened his rhetoric against some of the most vocal voices against immigrant workers and migrant worker programs.

?A certain segment has basically been feeding a kind of xenophobia. There?s a reason why hate crimes against Hispanic people doubled last year,? Obama said. ?If you have people like Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh ginning things up, it?s not surprising that would happen.?

Hmm. That's a pretty serious charge. But is it true?

Anti-Hispanic Incidents in 2005 - 522
Anti-Hispanic Incidents in 2006 - 576

Well, that's only a 10% increase. Well, what about 2007? Those haven't been released yet. So where is Obama getting his numbers? Preliminary reports (which I'm guessing don't reflect a doubling number) or his posterior?

Wellllllll

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.

The death toll was 12.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

Keep the crap threads coming!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

And the hate crimes against Hispanics doubling? Where did that come from?

So Obama makes a Bushism and gets a pass? Interesting.

Keep the crap threads coming!

I aim to please.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

And the hate crimes against Hispanics doubling? Where did that come from?

So Obama makes a Bushism and gets a pass? Interesting.

Keep the crap threads coming!

I aim to please.

Ok man, I'm just telling you that these threads you're making are getting steadily more embarrassing for you. This board already has one right wing poster that clogs it up with pathetic attack threads. Does it really need two?

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

And the hate crimes against Hispanics doubling? Where did that come from?

So Obama makes a Bushism and gets a pass? Interesting.

Keep the crap threads coming!

I aim to please.

Ok man, I'm just telling you that these threads you're making are getting steadily more embarrassing for you. This board already has one right wing poster that clogs it up with pathetic attack threads. Does it really need two?

I think the OP is making a point. Obama since some pretty ridiculous things and gets a pass. Its a valid point too. Anyone remember when he said there were 55 states or some shit?

Thats fine, everyone makes mistakes. But lets not act like there aren't double standards. If it was Bush you'd be calling him an idiot. If its your savior "oh, he just confused 12 with 10,000... common mistake."

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Ok man, I'm just telling you that these threads you're making are getting steadily more embarrassing for you. This board already has one right wing poster that clogs it up with pathetic attack threads. Does it really need two?

I'm not embarrassed at all. Are you ready to answer where Obama pulled "hate crimes against Hispanic people doubled last year"?

It's funny though about this board. We can have repeated posts attacking "Grampa McSame" over silly stuff, Bush over silly stuff, any other Republican or conservative BUT...someone posts something questioning Obama and suddenly it is "embarrassing" and "pathetic".

Hope and Change brother, Hope and Change.

 

[Craig234]

While I disagree with other of Queasy's posts, I have no problem with this thread, as long as it's posted in good faith, and it passes my 'sniff test' that it appears it is. If only other right-wing threads had the attributes of this one - a reasonable point, backed up with reasonable data, without absurd conclusions (this proves Obama will lie about anything all the time!111!!11!).

If Obama is getting lose with the facts in speeches more than the rare aberration, he should be called on it, so he fixes it.

Obama may well have a valid source for the data he can provide. Or he may have made an error. His point can be made validly in that case by changing it to 'that's why hate crimes against Hispanics are on the rise'.

Some of these posts are pointlessly nit-picky, but this one seems to have enough 'there, there' to be valid IMO. Sure beats the nonsense we see so much of.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

And the hate crimes against Hispanics doubling? Where did that come from?

So Obama makes a Bushism and gets a pass? Interesting.

Keep the crap threads coming!

I aim to please.

Ok man, I'm just telling you that these threads you're making are getting steadily more embarrassing for you. This board already has one right wing poster that clogs it up with pathetic attack threads. Does it really need two?

I think the OP is making a point. Obama since some pretty ridiculous things and gets a pass. Its a valid point too. Anyone remember when he said there were 55 states or some shit?

Thats fine, everyone makes mistakes. But lets not act like there aren't double standards. If it was Bush you'd be calling him an idiot. If its your savior "oh, he just confused 12 with 10,000... common mistake."

Find me one single time that I have posted that about Bush in the more then two years I've been posting here and I'll be the first to agree with you. I have said repeatedly that I consider Bush to be intelligent. Ignorant, yes. Stupid, no. But please, tell me more things that you think I would say.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Ok man, I'm just telling you that these threads you're making are getting steadily more embarrassing for you. This board already has one right wing poster that clogs it up with pathetic attack threads. Does it really need two?

I'm not embarrassed at all. Are you ready to answer where Obama pulled "hate crimes against Hispanic people doubled last year"?

It's funny though about this board. We can have repeated posts attacking "Grampa McSame" over silly stuff, Bush over silly stuff, any other Republican or conservative BUT...someone posts something questioning Obama and suddenly it is "embarrassing" and "pathetic".

Hope and Change brother, Hope and Change.

Of course I'm not. You said yourself the figures aren't available to us so how would I possibly know?

Quick tip: other people making dumb threads don't make yours any less stupid.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Ok man, I'm just telling you that these threads you're making are getting steadily more embarrassing for you. This board already has one right wing poster that clogs it up with pathetic attack threads. Does it really need two?

I'm not embarrassed at all. Are you ready to answer where Obama pulled "hate crimes against Hispanic people doubled last year"?

It's funny though about this board. We can have repeated posts attacking "Grampa McSame" over silly stuff, Bush over silly stuff, any other Republican or conservative BUT...someone posts something questioning Obama and suddenly it is "embarrassing" and "pathetic".

Hope and Change brother, Hope and Change.

Yes, but they are not from the same two people trolling and droning on and on all day.

The point is you and the Prof are being more than a bit singularly obsessive over Obama, and it's getting rather tiresome and predictable.

You aren't convincing anyone anymore...it's become all too transparent; like Pabster posting about Hillary.

Go visit your wife and kids or something, take a walk in a park; get back a semblance of a life besides being "Poofy's Assistant anti-Obama Troll Boi."

Quickly, before it's too late.

:light:

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

And the hate crimes against Hispanics doubling? Where did that come from?

So Obama makes a Bushism and gets a pass? Interesting.

Keep the crap threads coming!

I aim to please.

Ok man, I'm just telling you that these threads you're making are getting steadily more embarrassing for you. This board already has one right wing poster that clogs it up with pathetic attack threads. Does it really need two?

I think the OP is making a point. Obama since some pretty ridiculous things and gets a pass. Its a valid point too. Anyone remember when he said there were 55 states or some shit?

Thats fine, everyone makes mistakes. But lets not act like there aren't double standards. If it was Bush you'd be calling him an idiot. If its your savior "oh, he just confused 12 with 10,000... common mistake."

Find me one single time that I have posted that about Bush in the more then two years I've been posting here and I'll be the first to agree with you. I have said repeatedly that I consider Bush to be intelligent. Ignorant, yes. Stupid, no. But please, tell me more things that you think I would say.

Ya know man, I'm not much of a P&Ner. I don't know if you've criticized Bush for his mistakes before (although his mistakes are usually entertaining, so by all means do it). My point is that he is constantly ridiculed for his misspeaks. I'm not talking about getting data entirely wrong, I'm talking about having a slurred word or using the wrong tense, things that don't actually change the message of what he is saying. So if people are going to call him all kinds of bullshit, than I would hope that those same people would be up in arms would Obama gets facts straight wrong.

I understand people make mistakes and I understand if you are under the public spotlight you are bound to get caught saying dumb things. But, with all that in mind, I find it hard to give someone a pass when they don't know misspeak about how many states we have, claim there are 10k dead when there are barely 10 and DOUBLE a statistic when at most its probably gone up by 10% (judging by history).


With that said, I'd like to mention one other thing eskimo. This is a quote from you from another thread:

Anyways, it's a stupid line of argument. Serving in the military is not difficult, and I don't view it as anything to be proud of. I think someone does our country a far larger favor by becoming more educated then they do by serving in the military.

I can't believe you would say serving in the military is not difficult. First of all, if you haven't done it how would you know? Second of all, those people whom you are not proud of have undoubtedly kept this country safer over the last 200 years. Anyone who denies that is ignorant. Now that's not to say I don't think people becoming educated isn't a great thing. Hell, I'll be honest - I'd never join the military. Its not for me, I don't want to die for anyone except my immediate family. That doesn't mean I have a blatant disrespect for those in the military. Regardless of why they join (money, free college, whatever) the facts are they do put their lives on the line. Yes, it is their choice, but they still do it. It doesn't take much to show a little bit of fucking respect, or at the very least not insult them. Maybe try doing it someday?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447


With that said, I'd like to mention one other thing eskimo. This is a quote from you from another thread:

Anyways, it's a stupid line of argument. Serving in the military is not difficult, and I don't view it as anything to be proud of. I think someone does our country a far larger favor by becoming more educated then they do by serving in the military.

I can't believe you would say serving in the military is not difficult. First of all, if you haven't done it how would you know? Second of all, those people whom you are not proud of have undoubtedly kept this country safer over the last 200 years. Anyone who denies that is ignorant. Now that's not to say I don't think people becoming educated isn't a great thing. Hell, I'll be honest - I'd never join the military. Its not for me, I don't want to die for anyone except my immediate family. That doesn't mean I have a blatant disrespect for those in the military. Regardless of why they join (money, free college, whatever) the facts are they do put their lives on the line. Yes, it is their choice, but they still do it. It doesn't take much to show a little bit of fucking respect, or at the very least not insult them. Maybe try doing it someday?

Uhmmm...I served seven years in the military and participated in the 2003 invasion of Iraq onboard the USS Valley Forge. I'll say whatever the fuck I want. How about that?

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447


With that said, I'd like to mention one other thing eskimo. This is a quote from you from another thread:

Anyways, it's a stupid line of argument. Serving in the military is not difficult, and I don't view it as anything to be proud of. I think someone does our country a far larger favor by becoming more educated then they do by serving in the military.

I can't believe you would say serving in the military is not difficult. First of all, if you haven't done it how would you know? Second of all, those people whom you are not proud of have undoubtedly kept this country safer over the last 200 years. Anyone who denies that is ignorant. Now that's not to say I don't think people becoming educated isn't a great thing. Hell, I'll be honest - I'd never join the military. Its not for me, I don't want to die for anyone except my immediate family. That doesn't mean I have a blatant disrespect for those in the military. Regardless of why they join (money, free college, whatever) the facts are they do put their lives on the line. Yes, it is their choice, but they still do it. It doesn't take much to show a little bit of fucking respect, or at the very least not insult them. Maybe try doing it someday?

Uhmmm...I served seven years in the military and participated in the 2003 invasion of Iraq onboard the USS Valley Forge. I'll say whatever the fuck I want. How about that?

If thats the case then I'll eat my words. I haven't served and won't serve. Thank you for serving though, I do appreciate it. I have a question though, why disrespect your fellow brothers? Saying its nothing to be proud of is quite surprising.

 

[feralkid]

nm.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

Keep the crap threads coming!

If anyone else made these statements, you would be chastising and bashing them. I guess that kool-aid you've been drinking gives Obama a free pass, no matter what.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Yes, but they are not from the same two people trolling and droning on and on all day.

The point is you and the Prof are being more than a bit singularly obsessive over Obama, and it's getting rather tiresome and predictable.

Really, you want to come at me like that? Wow. I've started all of two threads today. Only three total in the last ten days. Five in the last 25 days. Only four of those deal with Obama and one of them was a joke. I've defended Obama in another thread. I've been negative against McCain and Clinton in another thread.

The only thing tiresome and predictable around here is the lack of skepticism of Obama.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

Keep the crap threads coming!

If anyone else made these statements, you would be chastising and bashing them. I guess that kool-aid you've been drinking gives Obama a free pass, no matter what.

I doubt that, seriously. As has been posted, the current statistics have not yet been released, so to claim Obama's numbers are wrong is sheer speculation at best; shameless desperate trolling at worst.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: feralkid
Yes, but they are not from the same two people trolling and droning on and on all day.

The point is you and the Prof are being more than a bit singularly obsessive over Obama, and it's getting rather tiresome and predictable.

Really, you want to come at me like that? Wow. I've started all of two threads today. Only three total in the last ten days. Five in the last 25 days. Only four of those deal with Obama and one of them was a joke. I've defended Obama in another thread. I've been negative against McCain and Clinton in another thread.

The only thing tiresome and predictable around here is the lack of skepticism of Obama.

Skepticism is great, unprovable accusations (the 2007 statistics are not out, so you are merely guessing that Obama is wrong) are just a waste of your time as well as ours.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

If thats the case then I'll eat my words. I haven't served and won't serve. Thank you for serving though, I do appreciate it. I have a question though, why disrespect your fellow brothers? Saying its nothing to be proud of is quite surprising.

The one qualifier I would make is that I was in the navy, not in the army or marines. I participated in combat operations off of Iraq and pulled some guard duty in Um Qasr, but I was never directly involved in combat. I do not doubt that combat is an incredibly difficult experience. I do not think it is any more praiseworthy though, as I believe our mission there is both illegal and immoral.

The day to day work is quite easy (and involves an incredible amount of slacking.. not so praiseworthy), and the tough stuff I think is morally wrong. I guess that's it in a nutshell.

EDIT: I do appreciate you being cool enough to say that though.

 

[MS13]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Keep the crap threads coming!

If anyone else made these statements, you would be chastising and bashing them. I guess that kool-aid you've been drinking gives Obama a free pass, no matter what.

:thumbsup:

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: feralkid
Yes, but they are not from the same two people trolling and droning on and on all day.

The point is you and the Prof are being more than a bit singularly obsessive over Obama, and it's getting rather tiresome and predictable.

Really, you want to come at me like that? Wow. I've started all of two threads today. Only three total in the last ten days. Five in the last 25 days. Only four of those deal with Obama and one of them was a joke. I've defended Obama in another thread. I've been negative against McCain and Clinton in another thread.

The only thing tiresome and predictable around here is the lack of skepticism of Obama.

Skepticism is great, unprovable accusations (the 2007 statistics are not out, so you are merely guessing that Obama is wrong) are just a waste of your time as well as ours.

Educated guess. The 2006 hate crime list was released in late November 2007. It is only May now. I think it is safe to assume that the numbers for 2008 won't be available for a while...even to Senators.

Also, the statistics over the past indicate a trend of slight growth, not doubling. Let's not forget that 2005/2006, the debate over illegal immigration was very heated.

Statistics from further back:
2004 - 475. A 9% growth to 2005.
2000 - 557. Wait, that's at 2005/2006 levels!

Not to mention that if there had been a drastic increase of hate crimes against Hispanics in the last year, you can be sure the news would have jumped on it.

Obama does not appear to be basing his statement on anything of substance.

 

[RichardE]

He probally read a report from Tenessee recently where they have doubled in the last year.

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=8304513

OR maybe he was just reading the stats on double digit increase in hate crimes versus hispanics the last few years now. A few states have seen 50%+ more though just doing a quick google search, so its not a reach to say the numbers are going to be pretty high when they come out.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: RichardE
He probally read a report from Tenessee recently where they have doubled in the last year.

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=8304513

OR maybe he was just reading the stats on double digit increase in hate crimes versus hispanics the last few years now. A few states have seen 50%+ more though just doing a quick google search, so its not a reach to say the numbers are going to be pretty high when they come out.

Obama said what I posted in the OP in front of a crowd in Florida so who know if he meant Tennessee or not. He said it as if it was nationally though. There are going to be flare-ups of hate crimes in some communities but not in others. I remember reading that LA is seeing a flare up because black gangs and latino gangs have been getting vicious with each other recently. But again, those don't reflect nationally which saw the following the previous three years:
2004-2005 - 9% increase
2005-2006 - 10% increase

2000 saw 557 hate crimes against Hispanics which is just under the 2006 level and just above the 2005 level. I looked for 2001-2003 but couldn't find them on the FBI website.

If numbers come out showing Obama correct. I'll happily retract my OP and apologize. But, I'm not buying it right now and it is off putting that the press would just take these numbers at face value and not do any investigation themselves.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah because his speech where he said 10,000 couldn't possibly have just been a common misstatement the likes of which you and I make every day.

And the hate crimes against Hispanics doubling? Where did that come from?

So Obama makes a Bushism and gets a pass? Interesting.

Keep the crap threads coming!

I aim to please.

Ok man, I'm just telling you that these threads you're making are getting steadily more embarrassing for you. This board already has one right wing poster that clogs it up with pathetic attack threads. Does it really need two?

I think the OP is making a point. Obama since some pretty ridiculous things and gets a pass. Its a valid point too. Anyone remember when he said there were 55 states or some shit?

Thats fine, everyone makes mistakes. But lets not act like there aren't double standards. If it was Bush you'd be calling him an idiot. If its your savior "oh, he just confused 12 with 10,000... common mistake."

I seem to remember it as him saying he had been to 57 states so far, with one left to go. I just figured he was getting confused with the 57 member states of the OIC, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...the_Islamic_Conference, and that the US was the one left to go. 😉

Thanks for the info Queasy. You're right, if these "embellishments" had come from Clinton or McCain there would be outrage over what liars they are.

 

[Socio]

The fact is hate crime stats are bogus stats because crimes labeled as ?hate crime? are rarely used for anyone but Whites.

Obama cannot be so stupid as to not know this therefore he is obviously using racism to gain support, his own racism. It shows just how easily and willingly he will unjustifiably through White people under the bus for favor of minorities, not the trait of a fair leader, not by any stretch of the imagination, however defiantly the trait of a racist.