Obama gutting Iranian sanctions bill, Congress fights back

[SammyJr]

Frankly, I don't want any sanctions on Iran until there is positive proof that they're developing nuclear weapons. I want them to have nuclear power and the ability to provide their own fuel as chaining them to Russian or American suppliers will only breed contempt and resentment.

And I think their human rights record is appalling, but that's no reason for sanctions until we're ready to sanction China, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and any other countries with bad records.

 

[nick1985]

Iran can partner with a neighbor for shipment of its oil. A blockade would also be a threat of military action; action that Iran fully knows we're too stretched thin to carry out effectively. Is that the right signal to send? An empty threat?

We are stretched too thin on boots on the ground, thats not what a naval blockade is. Doing something similar to what we did to the USSR during the Cuban Missile Crisis could have positive results, such as real negotiations.

 

[nick1985]

Frankly, I don't want any sanctions on Iran until there is positive proof that they're developing nuclear weapons.

Short of an Iranian nuclear bomb test, what would you consider positive proof?

 

[zsdersw]

We are stretched too thing on boots on the ground, thats not what a naval blockade is. Doing something similar to what we did to the USSR during the Cuban Missile Crisis could have positive results, such as real negotiations.

That's not what it is, but that's what it could lead to.

 

[irishScott]

Well, we all know what opinions are like...



Yup, everything is pointless.. including armchairing foreign policy.

and including most of your posts in this thread (which seeme more about attacking my pointless armchairing than the subject at hand).

 

[zsdersw]

and including most of your posts in this thread .

.. and yours.

 

[nick1985]

and including most of your posts in this thread (which seeme more about attacking my pointless armchairing than the subject at hand).

I like how he gets on you about armchair foreign policy, yet he's doing the same thing in this very thread.

"Naval blockade is no good...blah blah"


lol

 

[zsdersw]

I like how he gets on you about armchair foreign policy, yet he's doing the same thing in this very thread.

"Naval blockade is no good...blah blah"


lol

Pointing out consequences isn't armchair foreign policy. Armchair foreign policy is saying what should be done.

 

[irishScott]

I like how he gets on you about armchair foreign policy, yet he's doing the same thing in this very thread.

"Naval blockade is no good...blah blah"


lol

Yeah, I'll notice stuff like that tomorrow once I sleep for more than 2 hours. 😛

 

[palehorse]

Oh wake up.. we live in the real world. This isn't some video game for which you can plug in a cheat code and win easily. If you think any action against Iran would be a piece of cake you're as delusional as they come.

Obama and Hillary are playing good-cop, bad-cop. How it pans out remains to be seen, but it's not an altogether stupid idea.

You don't need to tell me about the "real world"... son. The point is, the white house's actions are not matching their words. Our President and SecState are not supposed to play "good cop bad cop" with foreign nations when it comes to severe sanctions, or worse. They are supposed to be on the same f'n page and stay that way until the crisis is solved.

Waivers for specific countries? Give me a fucking break! This Admin needs to get their shit together and straighten the hell up, and they need to do so quickly. We cannot afford too many more mistakes like the whoppers being made lately...

 

[nick1985]

Pointing out consequences isn't armchair foreign policy.

This is pretty clear cut armchair forein policy.

Iran can partner with a neighbor for shipment of its oil. A blockade would also be a threat of military action; action that Iran fully knows we're too stretched thin to carry out effectively. Is that the right signal to send? An empty threat?

 

[umbrella39]

That would be viable if Iran were an island. It's not.

Shh don't confuse him. Seeing as that he has so much time to post here perhaps he is looking to join the service now?

 

[nick1985]

Shh don't confuse him. Seeing as that he has so much time to post here perhaps he is looking to join the service now?

Hey Umbrella, did you see that post I made providing facts about just how much Iran actually SHIPS oil? A MAJORITY of its oil is SHIPPED

Try reading a little bit, tard. Fucking owned.

 

[palehorse]

Nothing wrong with Iran having nuclear weapons. They are a bunch of smart people with good intentions; The likely hood of any nation attacking another with nuclear arms is so unlikely it's laughable.

The only thing that could hurt us is sanctions against Iran... that might destabilize the country; now that would be bad for us.

We would be much better off giving Iran nuclear arms than we would be trying to stop them from getting them.

As a matter of fact, we should offer to give nuclear weapons to any country that can show a history of being a stable democracy that protects the rights of minorities and women while educating and investing in its people.

Now that I think about it:
Nuclear weapons could be the greatest anti-terrorism weapon we could possible use.

😵
Wow, you just graduated to "fucking retarded" status around here... all the signs were there in the immigration threads, but you were not completely ready. Now you are.

Good job Corky!

Open our borders? Give nukes to Iran? You're one frightening SOB...

 

[zsdersw]

You don't need to tell me about the "real world"... son.

Then act like it.

Our President and SecState are not supposed to play "good cop bad cop" with foreign nations when it comes to severe sanctions, or worse. They are supposed to be on the same f'n page and stay that way until the crisis is solved.

Says who?

 

[zsdersw]

This is pretty clear cut armchair forein policy.

It's the consequences of what you proposed. That's not armchair foreign policy. I never stated what I think we should do.. which would actually be armchair foreign policy.

 

[nick1985]

It's the consequences of what you proposed.

...according to your armchair foregin policy.

 

[umbrella39]

Hey Umbrella, did you see that post I made providing facts about just how much Iran actually SHIPS oil? A MAJORITY of its oil is SHIPPED

Try reading a little bit, tard. Fucking owned.

You don't even own the blankey your Mom tucks in each night. Owned? LMFAO blockade boy. Better yet, don't join the service. Retard.

 

[nick1985]

You don't even own the blankey your Mom tucks in each night. Owned? LMFAO blockade boy. Better yet, don't join the service. Retard.

Cant refute what I said? Didn't think so. Owned.


Next time before you think someone "got me", read the rest of the thread and check for a rebuttal before you quote them trying to slam me. It makes you look like a fucking partisan idiot, which you are.

 

[umbrella39]

Cant refute what I said? Didn't think so. Owned.


Next time before you think someone "got me", read the rest of the thread and check for a rebuttal before you quote them trying to slam me. It makes you look like a fucking partisan idiot, which you are.

Not an island dumbass. Own some more blankey. Let us know when the the majority oil equals all and when there is no other way to get it out of the country. Admitting you are stupid and wrong won't make us think any less of you. You are already stuck on the bottom.

 

[nick1985]

Not an island dumbass. Own some more blankey.

Holy Christ are you this retarded? A nation does NOT have to be an island to be blockaded. Halting all imports and exports of goods by sea can CRIPPLE most nations.

A 6 year old can understand that if Iran ships most of its oil, and then a blockade suddenly prevents that, they will have some serious problems.

 

[palehorse]

Then act like it.

Says who?

Says me, a voting citizen who has an educated opinion... you arrogant twit.

 

[bamacre]

Look at all the big-government Republicans showing up to display their utter hypocrisy. "Cut spending," "limited government," "the Constitution!"

If Obama wants to gut the sanctions on Iran, I say "good." Gut them to two things, Jack and Shit. It's just fucking amazing how people absolutely refuse to learn from our past mistakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

 

[zsdersw]

Says me, a voting citizen who has an educated opinion...

Ah yes.. a supposedly "educated opinion". Easy to claim, difficult to back up.

you arrogant twit.

.. says the pot to the kettle.

 

[zsdersw]

...according to your armchair foregin policy.

It's not armchair foreign policy, it's common sense. Cause and effect.