Obama Greasing Skids For More Gov Jobs

Danube

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Obama wants to increase the Gov work force by relaxing hiring process. He wants the required essays (KSAs) dropped and agencies will switch to a new system known as “category hiring” where applicants will be on lists that span across agencies who will have to compete for workers and so act more quickly.

"Agencies must make the changes in the next six months -- lightning fast by Washington standards. Administration officials insist several agencies are ready to quickly make changes."

"Obama issuing memos of all sorts"


"Take a look back at the last few weeks, and it appears the White House is issuing new orders to federal agencies at a feverish pace...Last week he ordered agencies to extend more employment benefits to the partners of gay federal workers. He's also mandated changes to the federal hiring process and there will be more later this week...

Extending benefits to the gay partners of federal workers scores him points with liberals, gay rights activists and a generally supportive American public and helps meet his goal of making government a "cool" employer. Attempts to speed up the mundane federal hiring process also help achieve the "cool" goal and Obama's desire to attract a new wave of public servants."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/06/obama_issuing_memos_of_all_sor.html

Yep - and we already know Obama thought the radicals in college were the "cool kids". I've said that what this guy will be doing under the radar will be as bad as what he does in plain view.


From Last Year

Many Hires Needed for Budget Goals
Tens of Thousands Could Be Added to Federal Payroll

By Philip Rucker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 3, 2009

President Obama's budget is so ambitious, with vast new spending on health care, energy independence, education and services for veterans, that experts say he probably will need to hire tens of thousands of new federal government workers to realize his goals.

The $3.6 trillion plan released last week proposes spending billions to begin initiatives and implement existing programs, and given Obama's insistence that he would scale back the use of private-sector contractors, his priorities could reverse a generational decline in the size of the government workforce.

Exactly how many new workers would be needed remains unclear -- one independent estimate was 100,000, while the conservative Heritage Foundation said it is likely to be closer to a quarter-million."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/02/AR2009030202935.html
 

Vette73

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Oh and also KSA's are not lengthy essays. When I read that from another of his links he really has no idea what he is speaking of.

KSA = Knowledge Skills Abilities. I get that from reading the persons resume, not essays.

When I build a job I can have piles of essays or none. I also can have 10 questions or many many more. In fact I do not even read the essays. They are un-weighted in HR.
 

Danube

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Did you forget this part as well or does it not fit your faux rage?

"There were this week's instructions to find ways to trim at least 5 percent from agency budgets. Officials bragged this week that the number of Freedom of Information Act dropped last year because Obama told agencies to post more information online. "


Oh Obama trims stuff. I have no doubt cuts will come from something useful that actually functions and has a purpose.

As for free information - Congress is still trying to get info about the Ft Hood murderer

"Lieberman has clashed with the administration’s counterterrorism
 policies, especially on its handling of the Fort Hood shooting by Army 
Maj. Nadal Malik Hasan, which left 13 dead. Lieberman issued a
 subpoena to the Justice Department last month for more documents
 related to the attack, but the agency so far has failed to produce the
 information requested."

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...rtures-leaves-obama-with-top-position-to-fill
 
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Throckmorton

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Oh and also KSA's are not lengthy essays. When I read that from another of his links he really has no idea what he is speaking of.

KSA = Knowledge Skills Abilities. I get that from reading the persons resume, not essays.

When I build a job I can have piles of essays or none. I also can have 10 questions or many many more. In fact I do not even read the essays. They are un-weighted in HR.

One time I applied to a job at NOAA that required an essay explaining KSA.
 

Vette73

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One time I applied to a job at NOAA that required an essay explaining KSA.


Some may do that still, mostly smaller ones. But most have moved away from that. Also I can add essays to my job postings but they are unweighed.

We, DoS, have questions and if you answer enough of them we look at your resume and see if you hit the requirements for the job.
 

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"Office of Personnel Director John Berry Wednesday called on lawmakers to pass a law that will enable agencies to more easily share qualified job candidates with each other. Berry told a House panel that such a change would be an important part of the hiring reforms the administration unveiled last week.

Among those reforms, the White House called for eliminating the so-called rule of three, where job candidates are assigned numerical scores and only the top three-scoring candidates are put forward to hiring managers.

Instead, the administration is calling for the so-called category rating approach to be the mandatory hiring method. Under category rating, hiring managers can consider a larger number of candidates who meet or exceed minimum qualifications. Candidates are not distinguished by a numerical score but rather by some aspect of their qualification for the job, such as their job-related competencies, performance on past jobs, and level of their past jobs. Applicants who are eligible for veterans preference are given top consideration under category rating. Berry said category rating will give hiring managers more options, and would give veterans more opportunities for federal jobs.

Berry said offices within an agency can now share qualified job candidates but different agencies cannot, . and he urged the House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee on the federal workforce, Postal Service and District of Columbia to pass such a bill.

"Right now … accountants within the Department of Defense could be passed around," Berry said. "If [the Health and Human Services Department] is hiring accountants, why wouldn't we take advantage of that?"

But the National Treasury Employees Union opposes the administration's drive to get rid of the rule of three, which it said provides a merit-based, objective and transparent selection process."




http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20100520/PERSONNEL03/5200301/

Sounds like the standards will be lowered. O&Co often use vets as an excuse to like something.
 
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Vette73

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Oh also your idea this will allow the Fed Gov to hire more is also incorrect. Each area has a set number of FTEs (job slots). Just because we can hire people faster does not mean we get more slots.

And I doubt much of this will last or even get made. The rule of 3 protects Vets. So to get rid of this rule would cause a major uproar with Vets and Vet preferance rules. See Vet Guide.
 

Danube

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Oh also your idea this will allow the Fed Gov to hire more is also incorrect. Each area has a set number of FTEs (job slots). Just because we can hire people faster does not mean we get more slots.


With Health-care bill creating something like 150 new federal agencies (and thousands of IRS etc) somebody is going to be hiring.
 

rudder

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Throckmorton

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Actually the number was 111 - found by Republicans in the House. It would probably be 311 by the time the thing got rolling


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/02/house-republicans-new-bureaucracies-health-care/

In its latest attempt to portray the Democrats' reform package as an unwieldy expansion of federal government in the health care sector, the House Republican Conference circulated what it called a list of "new boards, bureaucracies, commissions and programs" created in the House health care bill.

Did you even read the article? Nowhere does it say anything close to "150 agencies". And I sure as hell hope there are a LOT of commissions and boards to figure out best practices etc. The more the better. BTW you know those things can be created without creating jobs right? God forbid we create jobs of course.
 

rudder

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God forbid we create jobs of course.

Hell if it is that easy... how come we are sitting at 9.4% unemployment? Do you not see the issue of just creating jobs? You do know there will be benefits, pensions, wages, and salaries... these people are not going to work for free. If you have not noticed.... this years deficit is going to break yet another record.
 
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Oh and also KSA's are not lengthy essays. When I read that from another of his links he really has no idea what he is speaking of.

KSA = Knowledge Skills Abilities. I get that from reading the persons resume, not essays.

When I build a job I can have piles of essays or none. I also can have 10 questions or many many more. In fact I do not even read the essays. They are un-weighted in HR.

The KSAs are a huge pain in the ass. Who wants to take the time to write a fricking essay to apply for a job where you will probably be one of 5000 applicants applying for two or three jobs and where you'll probably get passed over by someone with a veterans preference anyway?
 

Darwin333

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Did you even read the article? Nowhere does it say anything close to "150 agencies". And I sure as hell hope there are a LOT of commissions and boards to figure out best practices etc. The more the better. BTW you know those things can be created without creating jobs right? God forbid we create jobs of course.

We are talking about government jobs not private sector jobs. If creating .gov jobs is so good why not simply create enough to make unemployment 0?

More permanent spending that we can't afford now or in the foreseeable future is a great idea.
 

Throckmorton

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We are talking about government jobs not private sector jobs. If creating .gov jobs is so good why not simply create enough to make unemployment 0?

More permanent spending that we can't afford now or in the foreseeable future is a great idea.

Right, which is why we don't take unemployment to 0 with government jobs. But creating government jobs isn't inherently bad. In any case, "150 agencies" is a BS claim.
 

Vette73

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The KSAs are a huge pain in the ass. Who wants to take the time to write a fricking essay to apply for a job where you will probably be one of 5000 applicants applying for two or three jobs and where you'll probably get passed over by someone with a veterans preference anyway?

Maybe I should have pointed it out better. I hate essay questions and use very few if none in my job postings. I might put one or 2 in from time to time but they are usually short answer. But I also never read them as I can't use them to see if you have the KSA for the job.

I also try to have less than 20 questions. Enough to get rid of the mass resume spammers but enough to see if the person is at least decent for the job.
 

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I actually typed out something really derisive wrt to OP, but thought better of it.

Danube, apparently, thinks that whatever Obama asks for is "bad", by definition, as if Obama were the anti-christ or something.

This seems like a pretty good idea on the surface, regardless of the source. It saves a lot of duplicate effort on the part of hiring managers and staff in the govt, so maybe we'll need fewer of them... let attrition via retirement and movin' on whittle 'em down...

I thought Righties were all about smaller govt?
 

Danube

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I actually typed out something really derisive wrt to OP, but thought better of it.

Danube, apparently, thinks that whatever Obama asks for is "bad", by definition, as if Obama were the anti-christ or something.

Obama is Kid Break-it. Everything he touches goes to spit. A disaster of a stimulus. A disaster of a health-care bill. A disaster of a bank reform bill. The gulf went to spit without him touching it when he should have.

Obama reminds me of the old Fabian socialist motto "Eat Capitalism - Excrete Socialism". Obama breaks everything he pretends to fix and that's no accident.

Not that I think Obama is a Fabian socialist. I think he is (deep down) more of a fascist like Tom Sowell said.
 
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fallout man

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How dare you call him an anti-semite!

Edit: Read title as "Obama Greasing Skids For More Goy Jobs." Nevermind!