Obama got 3 million more votes than Bush in 2004

[Stoneburner]

Obama wins by 5-6 percents in the pop vote and crushes mccain in the electoral vote, he paints the map blue, and this is all Projo the clown can come up with?

The same retard who was calling the election for McCain in early september.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Then where did the 4 million votes go? When you look at the new voters(mostly BHO votes) you know there were "lost" votes on the "(R)" side. When you look at McCain who is certainly more centrist than Bush was it makes no sense to suggest 4 million "moderates" abandoned him.

in 2004, i was the only person among my friends that voted for kerry, and i was relentlessly mocked. This time, every single one voted obama. This seems to be the case all around.

 

[marketsons1985]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Then where did the 4 million votes go? When you look at the new voters(mostly BHO votes) you know there were "lost" votes on the "(R)" side. When you look at McCain who is certainly more centrist than Bush was it makes no sense to suggest 4 million "moderates" abandoned him.

You fail at statistics. Read my post above.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Obama wins by 5-6 percents in the pop vote and crushes mccain in the electoral vote, he paints the map blue, and this is all Projo the clown can come up with?

The same retard who was calling the election for McCain in early september.

Do you have anything of substance to offer this thread? Or are you going to rabidly keep hitting the reply button and dish out internet tough guy assaults on the OP?

 

[Jschmuck2]

I thought you were going to stop posting after President Obama was elected?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Then where did the 4 million votes go? When you look at the new voters(mostly BHO votes) you know there were "lost" votes on the "(R)" side. When you look at McCain who is certainly more centrist than Bush was it makes no sense to suggest 4 million "moderates" abandoned him.

You fail at statistics. Read my post above.

Yeah, that assumes that every single Bush voter was the 'base'. That obviously isn't so. The base is the same type of person who approves of their party leaders regardless of how bad things are or how bad they f*ck things up. I call these people the 30-percenters. The Democrats could run Charles Manson, and they would still get 30 percent of the vote. Ditto with the Repubs. The base is the base is the base. You need MORE than the base to win an election, and the base is EXCEEDINGLY unlikely to abandon the party. Thus, you need to focus on undecided/independent/moderate-minded folks.

McCain didn't do this. Obama did. Landslide. End of story.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ScottyB
He won by a huge margin. Republicans lost this election big time. Get over it.

Yes he did win.

But the media story seems to be wrong.

Black turnout looks to have only gone up by 1%.
Youth turnout looks to have only gone up by 1%.

And overall turnout went DOWN.

do you find actually linking to an article to be anathema?

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Yep. Four years, a few $T, ineffective fearmongering and a collapse of the rah-rah free market financial system later, the electorate was in no mood for more repub dance routines. Some of 'em couldn't bring themselves to vote for a black democrat, either, so there you have it...

I suspect that the most glaring non-participants were the more conservative independents...

 

[marketsons1985]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Then where did the 4 million votes go? When you look at the new voters(mostly BHO votes) you know there were "lost" votes on the "(R)" side. When you look at McCain who is certainly more centrist than Bush was it makes no sense to suggest 4 million "moderates" abandoned him.

You fail at statistics. Read my post above.

Yeah, that assumes that every single Bush voter was the 'base'. That obviously isn't so. The base is the same type of person who approves of their party leaders regardless of how bad things are or how bad they f*ck things up. I call these people the 30-percenters. The Democrats could run Charles Manson, and they would still get 30 percent of the vote. Ditto with the Repubs. The base is the base is the base. You need MORE than the base to win an election, and the base is EXCEEDINGLY unlikely to abandon the party. Thus, you need to focus on undecided/independent/moderate-minded folks.

McCain didn't do this. Obama did. Landslide. End of story.

No no, what I'm saying is that he's asking where 4 million votes went. It doesn't matter who the 'base' was, there are still ~ 4 million votes out there.

I'm not saying anything about where they went, just that they exist out there.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Then where did the 4 million votes go? When you look at the new voters(mostly BHO votes) you know there were "lost" votes on the "(R)" side. When you look at McCain who is certainly more centrist than Bush was it makes no sense to suggest 4 million "moderates" abandoned him.

You fail at statistics. Read my post above.

You fail at reading my original post. 4 million less voted for McCain than voted for Bush. Sheesh.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ScottyB
He won by a huge margin. Republicans lost this election big time. Get over it.

Yes he did win.

But the media story seems to be wrong.

Black turnout looks to have only gone up by 1%.
Youth turnout looks to have only gone up by 1%.

And overall turnout went DOWN.

do you find actually linking to an article to be anathema?

I got the numbers via CNN exit poll data from 2004 and 2008.

There is no article that I know that shows this picture, yet.
But look at the results from those two years and you can do the math yourself.

 

[brandonb]

Most people I know did not vote, exception a few people.

Why? Because they didn't want either candidate. They decided instead of voting for the lesser of two evils. Most did not like Obama because he is black, and feared things like if he got assassinated that it might cause a race riot/war. Most did not like McCain because he was "bomb bomb bomb Iran."

I wonder how many felt the same way?

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Obama wins by 5-6 percents in the pop vote and crushes mccain in the electoral vote, he paints the map blue, and this is all Projo the clown can come up with?

The same retard who was calling the election for McCain in early september.

Do you have anything of substance to offer this thread? Or are you going to rabidly keep hitting the reply button and dish out internet tough guy assaults on the OP?

If you weren't so dense you'd realize my point is that the OP is insubstantial itself. This is a stupid thread from a confirmed clown.

"Obama's only up 8 points! OMGZ!"

For all the yapping about generic democrats, Obama overperformed expectations while the house and senate were actually dissapointing for dems.

 

[ProfJohn]

If the final number turns out to be the same as 2004 that suggests two things.

1. There were no new voters, highly unlikely.

2. For every new voter that showed up an 'old' voter stayed at home. Thus the turnout being the same.

More likely I would say it is half and half.

The good thing for Republicans is that Obama's overall vote total is not so huge that they can't match it in 2012.

In other words, Obama has not changed the playing field so much that he can't lose in 2012.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
If you weren't so dense you'd realize my point is that the OP is insubstantial itself. This is a stupid thread from a confirmed clown.

"Obama's only up 8 points! OMGZ!"

For all the yapping about generic democrats, Obama overperformed expectations while the house and senate were actually dissapointing for dems.

Ummm Obama performed right about where people expected him too. If anything he under performed since the RCP average was Obama +8 and the final looks to be Obama +6.

It is the house and Senate Democrats who under performed.


And overall turn out was still the same or lower than 2004, which is BIG news considering all the attention this election received.

 

[marketsons1985]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Then where did the 4 million votes go? When you look at the new voters(mostly BHO votes) you know there were "lost" votes on the "(R)" side. When you look at McCain who is certainly more centrist than Bush was it makes no sense to suggest 4 million "moderates" abandoned him.

You fail at statistics. Read my post above.

You fail at reading my original post. 4 million less voted for McCain than voted for Bush. Sheesh.

So far. What if those 4 million STILL uncounted votes go to McCain? Then you still fail. If they go to Obama, then your argument is true that less voted for bush, but your argument about how less votes turnout is false.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Or you could go by the ABC polling data that showed a huge downturn in show up of registered repubs. But hell, why stop with just pulling things out of our arse at this point.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ScottyB
He won by a huge margin. Republicans lost this election big time. Get over it.

Yes he did win.

But the media story seems to be wrong.

Black turnout looks to have only gone up by 1%.
Youth turnout looks to have only gone up by 1%.

And overall turnout went DOWN.

do you find actually linking to an article to be anathema?

I got the numbers via CNN exit poll data from 2004 and 2008.

There is no article that I know that shows this picture, yet.
But look at the results from those two years and you can do the math yourself.

Where do you see black voter turnout was up only 1%? That cannot possibly be right.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ScottyB
He won by a huge margin. Republicans lost this election big time. Get over it.

Yes he did win.

But the media story seems to be wrong.

Black turnout looks to have only gone up by 1%.
Youth turnout looks to have only gone up by 1%.

And overall turnout went DOWN.

do you find actually linking to an article to be anathema?

I got the numbers via CNN exit poll data from 2004 and 2008.

There is no article that I know that shows this picture, yet.
But look at the results from those two years and you can do the math yourself.

Where do you see black voter turnout was up only 1%? That cannot possibly be right.

He's confusing issues. Black turnout was 13 percent of the total this year compared to 11 percent in 2004. So black turnout was a full 2 percent more of the overall number.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign
CAD, I think it's just the opposite. The base came out like clockwork for each side. McCain didn't lose the base, he lost the independents and moderates.

Then where did the 4 million votes go? When you look at the new voters(mostly BHO votes) you know there were "lost" votes on the "(R)" side. When you look at McCain who is certainly more centrist than Bush was it makes no sense to suggest 4 million "moderates" abandoned him.

You fail at statistics. Read my post above.

You fail at reading my original post. 4 million less voted for McCain than voted for Bush. Sheesh.

So far. What if those 4 million STILL uncounted votes go to McCain? Then you still fail. If they go to Obama, then your argument is true that less voted for bush, but your argument about how less votes turnout is false.

your argument about how less votes turnout is false

please show me where I stated such. :roll:

Bush 2K4 = 62,028,285
McCain 2K8 = 55,512,629 <- so far

My figure of 4 mill included the "not yet counted" based on a rough calculation of percentages so far. But hey, keep trying to argue if you wish...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

He's confusing issues. Black turnout was 13 percent of the total this year compared to 11 percent in 2004. So black turnout was a full 2 percent more of the overall number.

Which by the way means a HUGE increase in turnout in a population group that votes pretty highly anyway.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Topic Title: Obama barely got more votes than Bush in 2004
Topic Summary: Turnout looks to be lower too

McCain lost because he lost the people who voted for Bush in 2004, and about half of those voters don't seem to have voted at all.

Get over your lying self, LOSER! Despite your lame, sorry attempt to put a turd in the punchbowl, this is a historic day for American democracy. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

McCain lost because he sacrificed every bit of his personal integrity and every bit of respect he had built for himself over his military and political lifetime to pimp your tired, pathetic party line of bigotry, hatred and division.

Obama now has to lead the way to undoing the colossal damage done by your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers, corrupt Wall Street cronies and general incompetents over the past eight years.

It won't be easy, but it's a first step in a far better direction.

 

[techs]

The simple answer is there is nothing like a Bush to get America up.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Topic Title: Obama barely got more votes than Bush in 2004
Topic Summary: Turnout looks to be lower too

McCain lost because he lost the people who voted for Bush in 2004, and about half of those voters don't seem to have voted at all.

Get over your lying self, LOSER! Despite your lame, sorry attempt to put a turd in the punchbowl, this is a historic day for American democracy. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

McCain lost because he sacrificed every bit of his personal integrity and every bit of respect he had built for himself over his military and political lifetime to pimp your tired, pathetic party line of bigotry, hatred and division.

Obama now has to lead the way to undoing the colossal damage done by your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers, corrupt Wall Street cronies and general incompetents over the past eight years.

It won't be easy, but it's a first step in a far better direction.

Uhh... why don't you try to address the topic instead of chanting and whining about the politics. The title and summary may be wrong but you've offered nothing besides vitriol...not that anyone is surprised by that.

 

[mshan]

I read somewhere this morning that projections are for about 137 million votes.