Obama goes to bat for iran

[Incorruptible]

What a surprise obama does this. He has always been politically correct and tries not to to call out radical Islam. This POS said that the MB was liberal and secular and that was a lie. For some reason he doesn't believe radical Islam is a serious threat.

The US should reduce sanctions on Iran and use diplomacy. Iran isn't a real threat to Israel.

 

[brycejones]

What a surprise obama does this. He has always been politically correct and tries not to to call out radical Islam. This POS said that the MB was liberal and secular and that was a lie. For some reason he doesn't believe radical Islam is a serious threat.

So Obama sucks and doesn't bitch about Iran?

The US should reduce sanctions on Iran and use diplomacy. Iran isn't a real threat to Israel.

But the policy he is pursuing is the right one in your opinion? This post of yours is all over the place.

 

[Jhhnn]

You are correct something is very wrong, Iran looks more reasonable now than the GOP there might actually be hope for negotiations.

Obviously that's a joke...maybe

Too true.

 

[AViking]

Obama to make plea against new sanctions against iran.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ersonal-appeal-to-senators-on-iran-sanctions/

What a sad state of affairs we have gotten ourselves in. Not only do we have an islamic sympathizer in office, we have a president who hates this nation and its people.

Yea, lets not give iran any more sanctions so they can continue nuclear development.

This is like clinton not ordering bin laden killed back in the 1990s. Clinton could have saved a lot of lives by killing one person. Who knows how many lives will be lost to a nuclear strike 10 years from now.

Do democrats protect terrorist by accident, or do they do it on purpose?

Bin laden served his purpose, so obama had him killed. Now its onto bigger and better things, such as nukes.

Do you know anything about Iran? Anything at all? I have probably 2 dozen Iranian friends and they are great people. They come from a great country. They now have a President who wants to move forward. We can't be stuck in the 1980's any longer. We can't be stuck on Ahmadinejad. We turned our back on that country for a lot of years, and for good reason, but we can't keep doing so.

You can go to Iran for 15 days without a Visa and plane tickets are insanely cheap. Maybe you should go so you don't keep talking like McCarthy in 1950.

 

[AViking]

Maybe you dont know about islam, and how it teaches that all non-muslims should be killed.

Its difficult for a logical person to be sympathetic to an idea that wants to see billions of people killed.

You are going full retard. Never go full retard.

You sir need to go travel and get out of your ignorant shell. You obviously know jack and shit about this topic.

First things first though. Go look up why they had a revolution in Iran. Might be worth noting to pay special attention to the USA's involvement.

 

[Texashiker]

Do you know anything about Iran? Anything at all? I have probably 2 dozen Iranian friends and they are great people.

I have no doubt they are great people.

People can usually get along just fine when two things are removed - religion and government.

Obama is helping a government that is marching towards nuclear power.

 

[hal2kilo]

Wow, that last sentence.

You sure you haven't done a mind meld with incorrigible.

 

[zinfamous]

I have no doubt they are great people.

People can usually get along just fine when two things are removed - religion and government.

Obama is helping a government that is marching towards nuclear power.

Did Governor Perry take away your medicare last week or something?

You're on a roll.

 

[brycejones]

People can usually get along just fine when two things are removed - religion and government.

Yet in another thread you started you are completely and totally butt hurt over Obama not saying "Under God"....

So are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

[BudAshes]

I noticed the op is the op for about half the threads in this forum. He's also know as one of the stupidest people on these forums. Enjoy.

 

[werepossum]

From a technical standpoint the question isn't "if" Iran can sufficiently enrich to an an acceptable bomb grade purity it is "when", regardless of further sanctions imposed. Since a diplomatic avenue apparently exists now where none did before keeping the status quo while seeing where the talks lead is a prudent choice. Given regional events and the last election in Iran I'm sure this effort has Khamenei's assent lest the hardliners cause him to be yet another casualty of a deeply unhappy populace.

Agreed. I have zero faith that the diplomatic avenue is anything more than a ploy by the hardliners - remember that every candidate has to be pre-approved by them and every governmental action is subject to their approval - but given that sanctions can only slow them down and make attaining nuclear capacity more painful, I see no reason to add on new sanctions while we're talking. Maybe this is the time I'll be pleasantly surprised.

You realize that Islam believes that Christians and Jews similarly believe in Allah, right? In Sharia they are considered 'People of the Book'. Even taken at face value without larger context this quote does not say to kill all non-Muslims.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I have no idea why someone would argue that Obama should not negotiate about nuclear weapons with a country because of their human rights record. That's beyond dumb.

The early part, yes. However, Muhammad changed that to a requirement for holy war, death and enslavement for non-Muslims. The orthodox explanation is that G-d changed his mind after the Jews' perfidy, thus justifying Muhammad's mass murder after promising them their lives and free passage.

It's a crapshoot which impact it would have, if any at all. However, I'm not a fan of policing the world, interference with sovereignty, or American exceptionalism, so overall I'm a fan of backing off except in response to direct aggression.

Pretty much, although there is an argument that by backing off we encouraged the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Definitely Europe's meekness encouraged Hitler's aggression.

Maybe we need a mutual defense agreement with Israel that if either is attacked with WMDs, both will destroy the attacking country. Although with the Iranians' belief in the 12th Mahdi, that might not be a deterrent.

 

[Texashiker]

Did Governor Perry take away your medicare last week or something?

I have never drawn government assistance. So there is nothing to take away.

You're on a roll.

someone has to keep the liberals on their feet.

 

[Incorruptible]

So Obama sucks and doesn't bitch about Iran?



But the policy he is pursuing is the right one in your opinion? This post of yours is all over the place.

obama refuses to condemn radical Islam and the MB.

The government should obey the Constitution with limited government and for that reason remove the sanctions on Iran since they aren't a threat.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Agreed. I have zero faith that the diplomatic avenue is anything more than a ploy by the hardliners - remember that every candidate has to be pre-approved by them and every governmental action is subject to their approval - but given that sanctions can only slow them down and make attaining nuclear capacity more painful, I see no reason to add on new sanctions while we're talking. Maybe this is the time I'll be pleasantly surprised.


The early part, yes. However, Muhammad changed that to a requirement for holy war, death and enslavement for non-Muslims. The orthodox explanation is that G-d changed his mind after the Jews' perfidy, thus justifying Muhammad's mass murder after promising them their lives and free passage.

Pretty much, although there is an argument that by backing off we encouraged the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Definitely Europe's meekness encouraged Hitler's aggression.

Maybe we need a mutual defense agreement with Israel that if either is attacked with WMDs, both will destroy the attacking country. Although with the Iranians' belief in the 12th Mahdi, that might not be a deterrent.

I agree, and am fine with defense pacts. I'm just not ok with dictating sovereign affairs. So long as you keep it in your country, what you do is largely your own business (unless maybe it's HEINOUS human rights violations). Further there's implicit reciprocity attached...so anything we get into others over, the entire world can get into us over.

 

[brycejones]

obama refuses to condemn radical Islam and the MB.

The government should obey the Constitution with limited government and for that reason remove the sanctions on Iran since they aren't a threat.

Ok whatever keep your outrage going......

 

[werepossum]

I agree, and am fine with defense pacts. I'm just not ok with dictating sovereign affairs. So long as you keep it in your country, what you do is largely your own business (unless maybe it's HEINOUS human rights violations). Further there's implicit reciprocity attached...so anything we get into others over, the entire world can get into us over.

Lack of reciprocity is one of my biggest complaints about our foreign policy. NATO was even built around it - NATO is legally obligated to defend France, but France is not required to defend any other member nation. That's just wrong. If we have to defend another nation, then that nation should have an absolute requirement to help defend us, and should have mandatory force levels it must maintain.