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Obama doesn't want kids "punished" with babies
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Arkaign
Lifer
Having some context would be helpful here.
Yes, having a baby to raise is indeed punishment for the pre-college-grad age of people. It's a huge responsibility, and it makes it damned difficult to also pursue work/education simultaneously.
But yeah, context FTW. What situation did this quote emerge from?
Yes, having a baby to raise is indeed punishment for the pre-college-grad age of people. It's a huge responsibility, and it makes it damned difficult to also pursue work/education simultaneously.
But yeah, context FTW. What situation did this quote emerge from?
Terrible wording on his part
but I think he was talking about the abstinence only programs
The way I understand it is he doesn't feel teaching them abstinence is enough, that you have to also include sex ed, condoms and birth control into the fight against unwanted pregnacies.
But yeah "punished" is not the right words to use.
but I think he was talking about the abstinence only programs
The way I understand it is he doesn't feel teaching them abstinence is enough, that you have to also include sex ed, condoms and birth control into the fight against unwanted pregnacies.
But yeah "punished" is not the right words to use.
lupi
Lifer
Getting grounded for a week is punishment. Not being able to go all l33t on your cellie for a week is punishment. Having a baby is not punishment. Some countries legislate the ability of people to reproduce. Some parents spend thousands of dollars trying to conceive or adopt a baby.
Parents not telling their kid how a baby happens or a chick spreading them without use of a prevention means is punishment to the baby.
theeedude
Lifer
Because he said something completely obvious but completely non-PC?
I can't stand the guy, all the Republicans have to do to win in November is not unite the Democrats behind him with these asinine attacks, which they will figure out a way to do, since they can't control themselves.
miketheidiot
Lifer
oh god i'm agreeing with senseamp in an obama thread :Q
lupi
Lifer
The ability to reproduce is one of the basic tenets when discussing the purpose of human life. Having a baby at any point, whether prepared and expecting or unannounced, will be a burden.
But to say someone that goes through the process of conceiving a baby, and then has one, is punished is absurd.
You bet it is if you're not mature enough to deal with it.
Yeah... Right! You're demanding full adult personal responsibility from girls whose only adult characteristic is being old enough to become pregnant. You want to saddle these children with the life long responsibilities of raising more children, and you want to burden the children of those children with parents too immature for the job.
Your simple minded blather about "personal responsibilty" and "parental guidance" is a great place to start, BEFORE a pregnancy, but it's total bullshit when it comes to dealing with real problems of real lives once a girl is actually pregnant.
Dealing with reality, instead of punishing kids and spewing ooga booga religious drivel, is EXACTLY what I'd like to see in a real leader.
Having a child before you become an adult robs you of your education; which robs you of having a good-paying job with nice benefits; which robs your child of growing up in a healthy environment...and the cycle continues.
It isn't cheap raising children and it's even worse when you don't have the mental capacity to take care of another human being. In the end, it robs you and the child of a good life, unless you have people to support you. It is punishment in every sense of the word.
It isn't cheap raising children and it's even worse when you don't have the mental capacity to take care of another human being. In the end, it robs you and the child of a good life, unless you have people to support you. It is punishment in every sense of the word.
Having an unwanted child when you're not mature enough to handle the life long commitment is a life sentence for both the parents and the child.
And some, like China, are smart enough to legislate limits on reproduction. I don't like their means, but I respect the objective.
Gee... You'd almost think those who go to that extreme might actually WANT those children. They may even have thought through their decision and planned for it.
But it does nothing to address the problems of those who are already pregnant. Until you address those problems, you're simply out of touch with reality.
theeedude
Lifer
That is your opinion. If you think that burden is not a punishment, fine.
Others disagree with you. It is certainly not a far fetched or absurd comment. Parents have been warning their kids that they would get pregnant if they are promiscuous for ages. Certainly that warning was meant as a deterrent and not just FYI, you do this, and bad things will happen.
Also, the context he said it was he didn't think kids should be punished with a baby or an STD due to lack of sex education.
No, its irresponsibility. Due to lack of parenting. But what can you do about it? Having a baby is not punishment, its a consquence for an action in life. At 15, people are smart enough to know not to murder someone. Not to steal. But not to have a baby? Um ok. How did that happen?
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