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redgtxdi

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If the Republicans continue to act in the manner that they did once they decided the most important thing is to get Obama out of office - the public is going to start catching on - they can kiss their seats good-bye. (Pun intended.) It's the Republicans who need to learn to compromise.
Obama: "Hey, look. All I wanna do is sell the next generation or two down the river. Why can't you guys meet me halfway on this?"
 

monovillage

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You know the way that you and other liberal Democrats feel about George Bush? That's the way most Republicans feel about Obama, except even more so. As far as I'm concerned if my House member (Republican) compromises with Obama in any way, shape, matter or form, he'll be out looking for another job anyways. He's my representative, not yours and not Obama's.
 

Wreckem

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You know the way that you and other liberal Democrats feel about George Bush? That's the way most Republicans feel about Obama, except even more so. As far as I'm concerned if my House member (Republican) compromises with Obama in any way, shape, matter or form, he'll be out looking for another job anyways. He's my representative, not yours and not Obama's.
Republicans are in a lose-lose position.

They need to compromise or they will lose in midterms. The majority of voters support the increase of taxes on those making $250k or more. Protecting the few making over $250k from a 4% marginal tax rate for the sake of the rest will damn them. They will keep their safe seats and lose a watershed level of competitive seats.

Compromising will piss off the morons like you.
 
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You know the way that you and other liberal Democrats feel about George Bush? That's the way most Republicans feel about Obama, except even more so. As far as I'm concerned if my House member (Republican) compromises with Obama in any way, shape, matter or form, he'll be out looking for another job anyways. He's my representative, not yours and not Obama's.
hahaha fuck off, even independents hate Bush. Did you see how toxic Bush's name was during the debates? Starting a ten year war and sending the country into debt is far worse than anything Obama has done
 

michal1980

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Obama proved that you can buy an election:

Just give away more of others peoples money to your side and you win.

What happens when we run out?

What happens when obama's tax increaes fail to solve the budget problem? (which we all know they win)

How come its always republicans that have to compromise? Where was liberal socialist obama on compromise on health care?

Oh wait, he didn't just rammed it through. Passed it using trickery
 

HamburgerBoy

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You know the way that you and other liberal Democrats feel about George Bush? That's the way most Republicans feel about Obama, except even more so. As far as I'm concerned if my House member (Republican) compromises with Obama in any way, shape, matter or form, he'll be out looking for another job anyways. He's my representative, not yours and not Obama's.
Pretty sure you would call those "other liberal Democrats" and their feelings irrational.
 

hal2kilo

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Methinks Boehner suffers from sour grapes and short-sightedness. It's like spanking a thoroughly spoiled child: All you get out of it is a red-faced, vein bulging, eye popping brat screaming in blood curdling hair raising defiance.
Betcha he's soused.
 

Schmide

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I wanna hear what McConnell has to say
Ask and you may receive.

I extend my sincere congratulations to President Obama and Vice President Biden on their hard-fought victory, and I would like to thank Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for running a great campaign based on concrete solutions to the tremendous economic challenges we continue to face.

The American people did two things: they gave President Obama a second chance to fix the problems that even he admits he failed to solve during his first four years in office, and they preserved Republican control of the House of Representatives.

The voters have not endorsed the failures or excesses of the president’s first term, they have simply given him more time to finish the job they asked him to do together with a Congress that restored balance to Washington after two years of one-party control.

Now it’s time for the president to propose solutions that actually have a chance of passing the Republican-controlled House of Representatives and a closely-divided Senate, step up to the plate on the challenges of the moment, and deliver in a way that he did not in his first four years in office.

To the extent he wants to move to the political center, which is where the work gets done in a divided government, we’ll be there to meet him half way.

That begins by proposing a way for both parties to work together in avoiding the ‘fiscal cliff’ without harming a weak and fragile economy, and when that is behind us work with us to reform the tax code and our broken entitlement system. Republicans are eager to hear the president’s proposals on these and many other pressing issues going forward and to do the work the people sent us here to do.
Big talk for the guy that failed at his one term proclamation.
 

monovillage

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Republicans are in a lose-lose position.

They need to compromise or they will lose in midterms. The majority of voters support the increase of taxes on those making $250k or more. Protecting the few making over $250k from a 4% marginal tax rate for the sake of the rest will damn them. They will keep their safe seats and lose a watershed level of competitive seats.

Compromising will piss off the morons like you.
Why should they compromise? They just won re-election and it's pretty obvious they wouldn't have if their constituents had wanted Obama to be given free rein to do anything he wants. The vote was pretty evenly divided 50/50 among the citizens that voted, Obama has no mandate.
 
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Why should they compromise? They just won re-election and it's pretty obvious they wouldn't have if their constituents had wanted Obama to be given free rein to do anything he wants. The vote was pretty evenly divided 50/50 among the citizens that voted, Obama has no mandate.
mandate is just another bullshit political term. The fact is that Obama won the presidency and is going to try to push through legislation, likely immigration reform, tax changes, and hopefully infrastructure bill. And the GOP will have to respond in some way that will cement their position not only for the midterm elections, but also for the next presidential election.
 

monovillage

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mandate is just another bullshit political term. The fact is that Obama won the presidency and is going to try to push through legislation, likely immigration reform, tax changes, and hopefully infrastructure bill. And the GOP will have to respond in some way that will cement their position not only for the midterm elections, but also for the next presidential election.
The best thing the Republicans can do for this country is to stop and/or stall really bad legislation. Obama will have to make a case for whatever programs he wants to pass to the American people and get their support. I see no reason for Republicans going out of their way to kiss his administrations ass.
 
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The best thing the Republicans can do for this country is to stop and/or stall really bad legislation. Obama will have to make a case for whatever programs he wants to pass to the American people and get their support. I see no reason for Republicans going out of their way to kiss his administrations ass.
Just because you think something is bad legislation doesn't necessarily make it so. But regardless, Stopping or stalling legislation is what fucked the Republicans this cycle, and doing it again will be a mistake. Take immigration reform for instance, which the Republican party is heavily against. This could entrench the GOP on the wrong side of the demographic war, with a rising Hispanic population. The GOP is already seen as the negative, anti-woman, anti-minority party, and reaffirming that position is going to serve them very poorly in the long-term.

Maybe it won't happen this cycle, but I think the GOP is really going to have to reinvent themselves, and that will involves moving more toward the center after that, quite frankly, ridiculous far right shift with the Tea Party. We've already seen that with some Tea Party incumbent defeats.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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GOP obstructionism is not going to work for the 2nd term. ESPECIALLY if immigration reform is on the table. They would do well not to blunt that.
 

monovillage

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GOP obstructionism is not going to work for the 2nd term. ESPECIALLY if immigration reform is on the table. They would do well not to blunt that.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/jeb-bush-to-publish-book-about-immigration-in-2013/1251161

WASHINGTON — Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is writing a book with a title that cuts directly to the emotion and complexity of the subject: Immigration Wars.

"Immigration is an important part of our country's success and if policies are reformed, can be part of restoring and sustaining our greatness as a nation," Bush said in an announcement by the publisher Wednesday.

Bush, who met his wife in Mexico and speaks Spanish, has urged the GOP to moderate its views and rhetoric on the divisive issue, though a harder line still pervades the Republican platform.

He is writing the book — formally called Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution — with Clint Bolick, vice president for litigation as the Goldwater Institute and research fellow with the Hoover Institution.

"The book will present a comprehensive solution based on two core principles: immigration is vital to America's future, fueling its growth, vibrancy and creativity; yet any true and enduring solution must adhere to the rule of the law," read an announcement by Threshold Editions, an imprint of Simon & Shuster.

Publication is scheduled for Spring 2013.
 

Pneumothorax

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Just because you think something is bad legislation doesn't necessarily make it so. But regardless, Stopping or stalling legislation is what fucked the Republicans this cycle, and doing it again will be a mistake. Take immigration reform for instance, which the Republican party is heavily against. This could entrench the GOP on the wrong side of the demographic war, with a rising Hispanic population. The GOP is already seen as the negative, anti-woman, anti-minority party, and reaffirming that position is going to serve them very poorly in the long-term.

Maybe it won't happen this cycle, but I think the GOP is really going to have to reinvent themselves, and that will involves moving more toward the center after that, quite frankly, ridiculous far right shift with the Tea Party. We've already seen that with some Tea Party incumbent defeats.
No, Obama won because of being a better campaigner than Romney ever was. He also won by having a much better election team than Romney. Plus, as much as Fox news tries to claim America is 'Center-Right', this election confirms it's now just 'Left' The general population now has realized they can just vote for more largess from the treasury. The Republican house is the last thing to fall before the end of Pax America. We're just fast-forwarding towards our slide of a has-been country - just like the rest of leftie dominated Europe. The only reason some lefty countries like Germany do well is that they're still 88% of a common ancestry, they're still willing to work together for the common good for the country. Ours is now just a bunch of takers. Before you cry 'racism' I'm considered a 'Brown' and I see how my ancestor's home country and all the the other 3rd world Brown shithole countries are run so poorly.
 

Moonbeam

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Conservatives are very sick people when they would rather not compromise and let the nation rot.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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If the Republicans continue to act in the manner that they did once they decided the most important thing is to get Obama out of office - the public is going to start catching on - they can kiss their seats good-bye. (Pun intended.) It's the Republicans who need to learn to compromise.
Political compromise has become a term meaning accepting what is offered. What the Republicans need to do is not bend the knee, but to come up with good ideas and bring them to light. Of course I expect zombie raccoons first :D
 

hardhat

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No, Obama won because of being a better campaigner than Romney ever was. He also won by having a much better election team than Romney. Plus, as much as Fox news tries to claim America is 'Center-Right', this election confirms it's now just 'Left' The general population now has realized they can just vote for more largess from the treasury. The Republican house is the last thing to fall before the end of Pax America. We're just fast-forwarding towards our slide of a has-been country - just like the rest of leftie dominated Europe. The only reason some lefty countries like Germany do well is that they're still 88% of a common ancestry, they're still willing to work together for the common good for the country. Ours is now just a bunch of takers. Before you cry 'racism' I'm considered a 'Brown' and I see how my ancestor's home country and all the the other 3rd world Brown shithole countries are run so poorly.
You people are delusional. The nation is only more left relative to the continued extremism that you force on your candidates, and until you are willing to compromise you won't be getting power back. President Obama wasn't a very good candidate, and he was saddled with dealing with one of the worst situations in our history. Yet, he won handily. The reason why is because people realize that the GOP intentionally worked against the country's interests, and continues to support unpopular social policies and seek to mortgage our future to give the richest another tax break they don't need. And the idea that people voted for more largess is rediculous. Obama's the one who was willing to cut medicare and other entitlements in return for very small tax increases on the richest americans, and the GOP is the party who rejected that notion. The only hope you have is that the GOP splits down the middle, and a splinter group works with democrats to avoid the fiscal cliff and start to deal with the debt in a bipartisan way. You have two months.
 

Angry Irishman

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He has the upper hand with regards to sequestration. He gets the tax increases he wants and major cuts to defense. By doing nothing, Democrats get exactly what they've wanted for some time.

The Republicans HAVE to compromise. They have no choice.
But, but he said sequestration wouldn't happen and that was just a proposal from Congress. If it does happen there will be a lot more people out of work and more importantly our already limping national defence capabilities will be eroded that much more. People worried about the auto industry....nothing compared to the many layers of folks affected by sequestration.

BTW the Senate is just as uncompromising about almost everything.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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He has the upper hand with regards to sequestration. He gets the tax increases he wants and major cuts to defense. By doing nothing, Democrats get exactly what they've wanted for some time.

The Republicans HAVE to compromise. They have no choice.
Is that what this is to people? The future of your country is a game of "hold your breath if you don't get your way"? Compromise isn't just something you do only when you have to. Compromise is something you do so that you can agree on a common path to take, and so that when you've gone down that path and things aren't going your way, the other side knows that you're always reasonable and willing to compromise.
 

Acanthus

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But, but he said sequestration wouldn't happen and that was just a proposal from Congress. If it does happen there will be a lot more people out of work and more importantly our already limping national defence capabilities will be eroded that much more. People worried about the auto industry....nothing compared to the many layers of folks affected by sequestration.

BTW the Senate is just as uncompromising about almost everything.
our limping national defense capabilities?

We have fucking 11 carrier battle groups, each of which can wipe a country off of the face of the earth in short order. Nukes galore. Unmanned drones. Cruise missiles.

If anything our military needs reshaped the way our commanders have been asking for for decades. "Leaner, meaner, more technologically advanced."

We don't need 200 foreign bases.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Is that what this is to people? The future of your country is a game of "hold your breath if you don't get your way"? Compromise isn't just something you do only when you have to. Compromise is something you do so that you can agree on a common path to take, and so that when you've gone down that path and things aren't going your way, the other side knows that you're always reasonable and willing to compromise.
It's a childs game. One side wins and the other obeys. Thats compromise. Working together to find a good solution? The very concept is alien. We are a vastly inferior people eager to be harvested.

I gave reps hell on another forum where they dominate and told them that their lack of ideas killed them. Obama didn't win, Romney lost, an important distinction. They too need to grow up, but collectively we are stunted sheep and those who are not are drowned out by the bleating. Lesser children of greater sires.
 

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