Obama defends decision to close Gitmo...

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Click on his avatar, click on "view posts" at the top, skim for a few pages to get a feel for the flavor and then you'll realize what type of person you're responding to. I just play along for fun.

jonks not many people here are more left leaning, so I'm not sure you should be responding to a post regarding being more open minded.

I didn't claim I wasn't a liberal, and I didn't accuse you of being a partisan hack. I accused you of being a troll. About 98% of your posts consist of one sentence containing "Obama" + some version of "fascist" "nazi" "socialist" or other group whose ideology you lack the ability and knowledge to articulate, but you think the sound resembles a pejorative so you utter it. You repeat Hannity and Rush talking points because you can't think for yourself, and you limit your posts to short incendiary quips because you're afraid if you type anything longer your rampant ignorance will be too evident.

Here's a video on open mindedness in case you weren't sure what that was either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
Hint on what it's not: listening to another's argument and then judging it lacking.

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
It doesn't take 3 paragraphs to call you a partisan left wing hack with the IQ of a gold ball.

how smart are gold balls?

ask your husband

Further evidence that you think merely being gay or accusing someone of being homosexual is an attack on their character. You are the last vestiges of the homophobic republican party base.

Incidentally, I don't think you really want to raise the IQ/education/intelligence question, do you?

It was not my intent to attack you on your sexual orientation, you simply sound like an angry gay leftists so I thought I would inquire..... I don't expect you to be insulted by me accusing you of something that you are.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
It doesn't take 3 paragraphs to call you a partisan left wing hack with the IQ of a gold ball.

how smart are gold balls?

ask your husband

you seem pretty interesting in jonks sexuality. you looking for a "friend"? otherwise i really don't see the point of continuing to bring it up not to mention i thought such attacks were frowned on here.

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
It was not my intent to attack you on your sexual orientation, you simply sound like an angry gay leftists so I thought I would inquire..... I don't expect you to be insulted by me accusing you of something that you are.

You're really concerned about gay people, eh?

I wonder - you made a comment about government entering the private sector. I wonder what your feelings were on the Bush Administration's relation with large oil companies in 2003 and 2005.

?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: teclis1023

Originally posted by: Budmantom
It was not my intent to attack you on your sexual orientation, you simply sound like an angry gay leftists so I thought I would inquire..... I don't expect you to be insulted by me accusing you of something that you are.

You're really concerned about gay people, eh?

I wonder - you made a comment about government entering the private sector. I wonder what your feelings were on the Bush Administration's relation with large oil companies in 2003 and 2005.

?

The same way I feel about Obama and Acorn.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Sawyer
Appeasing his base

Yep. Nothing of substance.

Guantanamo is a tool used by terrorists to recruit.

I imagine one positive of closing Gitmo is they can no longer say that America has Gitmo where people are tortured.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Sawyer
Appeasing his base

Yep. Nothing of substance.

Guantanamo is a tool used by terrorists to recruit.

I imagine one positive of closing Gitmo is they can no longer say that America has Gitmo where people are tortured.

They laugh at the thought of us torturing. They just cut off captive's heads.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
What is closing Gitmo solving really? So, we're going to move these terrorist suspects from one prison to another. What is the specific problem this solves?

It will stop torture... at that location anyway.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Specop 007
What is closing Gitmo solving really? So, we're going to move these terrorist suspects from one prison to another. What is the specific problem this solves?

It will stop torture... at that location anyway.

Yeap, I am sure those terrorist would rather be someone's bitch than being waterboarded. Much more dignified. :thumbsup:

 

[Rastus]

The issue is not 'what do we do with them once they are on American soil' but 'is it really a good idea to bring them on American soil'.

 

[Arcex]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Arcex

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Arcex

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Obama just had is ass handed to him.
Cheney 2
Obama 0

Are you for serious? Cheney represents everything that is wrong with our political system of corporations running this country. Every time Cheney opens his mouth a thousand little idiots come running out and get jobs at Fox News.

A pox upon you and your lands.

And Obama and the rest of the Socialist party is everything that is right, the government running the corporations. Are you saying that Cheney is also a job creator.

Yeah I'm serious, every time Cheney speaks Obama does a 180. Obama wanted to prosecute the people that kept us safe for the last 8 years than he changed his mind, Obama wanted to expose all the pictures now he "says" he's changed his mind, makes you wonder how little time he puts into the decisions that "he" makes.

You are going out of your way to link topics, first of all our country has had social programs for a very long time (they don't call it social security for the alliteration), that program has been in existence under numerous Republican presidents, does that make them Socialists? Don't use a buzz word to make a point.

LOL how about taking over car companies, banks and insurance companies.

Second, I would urge you to read up on more of Cheney's history before you go extolling his virtues, do I think its better to have government controlling companies as opposed to the opposite? I'd prefer a middle ground but yes, that would be my preference.

I brought up two points, I'd hardly say that's extolling his virtues. I'd like a separation.

Last, I don't agree with everything Obama has flopped on, but I know perfectly well there is a lot of difference between saying things pre-election and then getting into office and finding out what you can actually do. Right or wrong, it's still reality. I don't think Obama is so fixated on Cheney that he allows what he says and does to affect his decisions, he has never demonstrated that kind of weak-mindedness before, I doubt he'd start now. You need to open your mind more to contrasting views, you seem very one-sided right now.

Gitmo, prosecution and the pic's have been since the election, you may think it's pre-election because Obama is still campaigning.

First, I'm not happy that we are propping up the car industries, but table that for the moment, if you know a better way to handle it, what with all your advanced economic experience I'd love to hear it. And I bet you didn't bat an eye when Bush was giving out money to the banks with no requirements so they could turn around and instead of lending to people again they could buy up even more debt from other banks knowing Bush would write them another blank check, oh and now they are complaining that they have to actually meet certain restrictions to get the money, woe is them.

As to the insurance companies, I work for a company that does medical record reviews and audits to make sure doctors and healthcare companies are being honest and attaining certain levels of quality, we have something of an insiders POV on his reforms since they will affect our industry rather extensively, we should all thank our lucky stars to have a president who is putting into place some of the policies he's working on.

And considering the current state of our healthcare are you actually saying we are better off without a bit more government oversight?

I'm not gonna bother discussing Cheney anymore, you seem to be something of an apologist for him from what I've read in your other posts.

What I call pre-election vs. after election is saying one thing before getting elected and then doing something else after getting elected, some famous examples include "Read my lips, no new taxes" and frankly I'd put Obama's pre-election tirade against GITMO and torture in the same column, since he didn't support 2 bills to close GITMO even before the election and is dragging his feet about it now. But you don't want to discuss stuff like that, you want to try to score cheap points by trying to reverse my works. Good luck with that.

 

[CitizenKain]

Why do you people bother replying to Budmanton? He has over 12,000 posts and not a single one has ever been worth reading, he can't even troll properly.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
They should be tried using the military court-martial system. It's the same court we use when we try our own soldiers, airmen, sailors, and marines when they break military law. This system has been in existence since before the U.S. even existed. It's proven to work, and it's respected around the globe.

They should be kept in a Supermax prison that is supported by an Army base. We've housed people who do equally horrible things, and we already house hundreds of domestic terrorists.

You mean like the My Lia Massacre where 400+ civilians were slaughtered and 26 soldiers were tried, one convicted to a life sentence(William Calley)served three :laugh:years. All with eye witnesses and photographic evidence. The USA court martial system is a worldwide joke. Just look at the recent prosecutions.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
It doesn't take 3 paragraphs to call you a partisan left wing hack with the IQ of a gold ball.

how smart are gold balls?

ask your husband

you seem pretty interesting in jonks sexuality. you looking for a "friend"? otherwise i really don't see the point of continuing to bring it up not to mention i thought such attacks were frowned on here.

Frowned upon depends if the slander and insults are coming from a liberal or a conservative. Thats a fact Jack.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
It doesn't take 3 paragraphs to call you a partisan left wing hack with the IQ of a gold ball.

how smart are gold balls?

ask your husband

you seem pretty interesting in jonks sexuality. you looking for a "friend"? otherwise i really don't see the point of continuing to bring it up not to mention i thought such attacks were frowned on here.

It's not really a new phenomenon. I forget which troll it was, FearNoEvil maybe, who asked "what did I have to gain from supporting gay marriage?" That's the mindset you're dealing with. People who cannot comprehend why civil rights matter even if you're not a part of the group. I'm not a woman, but I support women's suffrage. I'm not black, but I support non-discrimination laws based on race.

I'm not gay, but I support equal treatment for the parties to a governmentally recognized secular contract regardless of their sexual orientation.

Bud & Co just can't fathom it. Probably why they all freaked out about Obama mentioning empathy as a judicial quality: because they have none.

Bud claimed it wasn't a slur, I just sounded like a gay leftist, whatever that means. Similarly, I wasn't calling him an uneducated dimwit as an attack, I was just describing what he sounds like.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
It doesn't take 3 paragraphs to call you a partisan left wing hack with the IQ of a gold ball.

how smart are gold balls?

rofl. Apparently smart enough that Budmantom feels jealous.