Obama: Dallas shooter motive hard to "untangle"

[KMFJD]

It's so easy to hate and so hard to find solutions, we are a lazy society so we just keep on hating.

 

[boomerang]

It's so easy to hate and so hard to find solutions, we are a lazy society so we just keep on hating.

Yeah, I hate this.

 

[werepossum]

I agree. I think Obama is wrong on this one.

Agreed, but it's part of a pattern. Colin Ferguson was yelling "I'm gonna go kill some white people" and his motives were reportedly a mystery. Bottom line is it's just not PC to admit that a non-white person killed someone due to racism.

Yeah, I hate this.

lol +1

 

[DrunkenSano]

Very disappointing of Obama. He's so scared about speaking the obvious truth when it comes to Muslim terrorism and racism against whites. But when it comes to something like Trayvon, he's immediately Obama's son.

 

[1prophet]

Don't see what is so hard about labeling a spade a spade,

White racist killer

White christian terrorist

White Muslim terrorist

So what's the hard part?

 

[Jhhnn]

Very disappointing of Obama. He's so scared about speaking the obvious truth when it comes to Muslim terrorism and racism against whites. But when it comes to something like Trayvon, he's immediately Obama's son.

Yes, white people have been hated, exploited & oppressed for hundreds of years in this country. It's institutionalized in the Right wing persecution complex. So it's really OK to hate blacks because they hate us too for no good reason, obviously.

 

[theeedude]

Rightwing news outlets disagree with Obama, more at 11.

 

[TheGardener]

White Muslim terrorist? Is that like a White Hispanic? We never had these terms before Obama took office. Talk about hate speech! And what about his MIL being a typical white person.

Obama has a history of saying the wrong thing. And if he doesn't believe it is wrong, then he must be consciously trying to incite more division and violence. He's just a smoother version of Al Sharpton, and he has fooled a lot of people.

I have to admit the "untangle" comment caught me off-guard. But like so many other comments, its so unfortunate for a president to say something like that.

 

[TheGardener]

Rightwing news outlets disagree with Obama, more at 11.

Another non-thinking, knee jerk reaction. You didn't even look at the OP's links, did you? Half of them are leading left wing publications. I'll bet your weekly reading diet consists of the Weekly Worker.

 

[Knowing]

Yes, white people have been hated, exploited & oppressed for hundreds of years in this country. It's institutionalized in the Right wing persecution complex. So it's really OK to hate blacks because they hate us too for no good reason, obviously.

The Irish and Italians would probably tend to agree with you. The "right wing persecution complex" is no less valid than the "left wing persecution complex." I had nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow, Margret Sanger, the drug war, or any of the other miscellaneous phenomena that brought blacks to this point in time.

Rightwing news outlets disagree with Obama, more at 11.

I'm still begging for some lefty to analyze the data and find a tangle. I want to believe.

 

[realibrad]

Yes, white people have been hated, exploited & oppressed for hundreds of years in this country. It's institutionalized in the Right wing persecution complex. So it's really OK to hate blacks because they hate us too for no good reason, obviously.

There is a institution of persecution?

 

[The Merg]

White Muslim terrorist? Is that like a White Hispanic? We never had these terms before Obama took office.

The Feds have used the terms of White Hispanic and Black Hispanic for years. Hispanic is considered to be an ethnicity and not a race.

 

[Jhhnn]

There is a institution of persecution?

There have been many, Jim Crow in particular & some persist to this day. The prison population can't be explained any other way unless you subscribe to racial inferiority & there's more subtle & equally effective stuff like this-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage_discrimination

Strict voter ID also targets minorities even though advocates certainly won't admit it. They did their homework, saw that it would work to their advantage, then wrapped it in the usual terms of white fear. Millions of illegals voting! OMFG!

 

[woolfe9998]

Agreed, but it's part of a pattern. Colin Ferguson was yelling "I'm gonna go kill some white people" and his motives were reportedly a mystery. Bottom line is it's just not PC to admit that a non-white person killed someone due to racism.

He doesn't even have to say "racist." He just has to acknowledge that the motive was retaliation for police shootings of blacks, and say that this is the wrong way to channel people's anger. He can also say that this was a lone gunmen and it's wrong to characterize the entire movement by the actions of this man. There's plenty he can say. Saying the motive is hard to know is not an acceptable answer for the POTUS in a situation like this.

 

[TheGardener]

The Feds have used the terms of White Hispanic and Black Hispanic for years. Hispanic is considered to be an ethnicity and not a race.

I know that the Census for 2000 changed Hispanic to be an ethnicity. I found out about this after I heard Obama use the term. Do they actually put the two words together? Do Hispanics get to choose which term should apply to them, or do US bureaucrats get to decide? Being a White Hispanic is like having a bulls eye on your back.

 

[TheGardener]

There have been many, Jim Crow in particular & some persist to this day. The prison population can't be explained any other way unless you subscribe to racail inferiority & there's more subtle & equally effective stuff like this-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage_discrimination

Strict voter ID also targets minorities even though advocates certainly won't admit it. They did their homework, saw that it would work to their advantage, then wrapped it in the usual terms of white fear. Millions of illegals voting! OMFG!

You know nothing!

 

[fskimospy]

I know that the Census for 2000 changed Hispanic to be an ethnicity. I found out about this after I heard Obama use the term. Do they actually put the two words together? Do Hispanics get to choose which term should apply to them, or do US bureaucrats get to decide? Being a White Hispanic is like having a bulls eye on your back.

People are asked to self identity.

 

[Jhhnn]

You know nothing!

Backing into the hole of denial like a badger, huh?

 

[UglyCasanova]

I think there is some justification behind the black lives matter movement, but I also think there is an inherent problem of violence in black culture as well that has to be addressed. When only focusing on police biases and brutality but leaving out the violence epedimic in black culture it makes their whole movement seem less credible. There certainly needs to be a national discussion on several different issues related to race, but without the black community taking a long hard look in the mirror it's not going to do much good.

Obama's comments on this and other shootings seem to fan the flames.

Side note I just got back from vacation in Smoky Mountain National Park, it was strange leaving Louisiana and going somewhere that seemed to be 99% white. This was during the shootings and I heard comments from people while I was there and it seemed to be a much more racist area than where I'm from. Granted given the area and the hillbillies that live there it might be expected, but it just seemed odd.

My "city" is roughly 50/50 in terms of the black and white mix which I think gives people around here a better perspective on race race relations and the good as well as the bad regarding. I'd be curious what the ethnic makeup of the cities our more vocal partisan posters on this board consist of, and what kind of environment their opinions of race relations comes from.

 

[Ackmed]

It's not hard to understand why the shooter targeted white police officers. He said exactly why. He wanted to kill white people, cops, because he was upset at recent killings of two black men by cops. That's his words, we know his motive. Denying it is just stupid.

This was a terrible line by Obama. Would could be hard to "untangle" is what got him to that point. That's what Obama should have said. He'd been planning it for awhile, and new details about his military career and years after are coming out. What happened to get him to the point where he committed calculated murder on white cops.

 

[Artdeco]

Yeah, it'd be nice if he'd quit dodging this stuff, but he's done it so consistently, looks like it'll never change.

 

[fskimospy]

I think there is some justification behind the black lives matter movement, but I also think there is an inherent problem of violence in black culture as well that has to be addressed. When only focusing on police biases and brutality but leaving out the violence epedimic in black culture it makes their whole movement seem less credible. There certainly needs to be a national discussion on several different issues related to race, but without the black community taking a long hard look in the mirror it's not going to do much good.

Obama's comments on this and other shootings seem to fan the flames.

Side note I just got back from vacation in Smoky Mountain National Park, it was strange leaving Louisiana and going somewhere that seemed to be 99% white. This was during the shootings and I heard comments from people while I was there and it seemed to be a much more racist area than where I'm from. Granted given the area and the hillbillies that live there it might be expected, but it just seemed odd.

My "city" is roughly 50/50 in terms of the black and white mix which I think gives people around here a better perspective on race race relations and the good as well as the bad regarding. I'd be curious what the ethnic makeup of the cities our more vocal partisan posters on this board consist of, and what kind of environment their opinions of race relations comes from.

But the black community already expends enormous amounts of time and resources on intracommunity violence. The media just doesn't cover it nearly as much because it's uncontroversial.

 

[ivwshane]

So to be clear, the motive of the killer wasn't mental instability but instead just racism? Is racism a form of mental instability? Can you be racist and mentally sane?

 

[woolfe9998]

So to be clear, the motive of the killer wasn't mental instability but instead just racism? Is racism a form of mental instability? Can you be racist and mentally sane?

Murder usually involves one form of mental illness or another, plus some specific motive. The Colorado Springs shooter was probably mentally ill in some way, but he also had a motive specifically related to Planned Parenthood and abortion. There is no conflict between the two. With mass murderers, both are generally necessary for the event to occur.

 

[Knowing]

But the black community already expends enormous amounts of time and resources on intracommunity violence. The media just doesn't cover it nearly as much because it's uncontroversial.

Police departments spend enormous amounts of money and time on deescalation and community outreach. That means we don't have to talk about it or try harder, right?