• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Obama changes "you can keep it" slogan, makes it seem like we misunderstood him

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
People think of politiicians they agree with as their owners, themselves as serfs, so anything master does is not only accepted, but the politician's birthright. You can just see the gnashing of teeth from Obama's serf-brigade to even grudgingly admit master lied to them. To even question Dear Leader they have to bring up politicians they don't like (the ones that didn't promise them a free ride) and come up with the "he did it tooooooo" excuse for Dear Leader.

If politicians were held to anywhere near the same standards as the private sector, most of them (and definitely Obama) would be in jail for book cooking and fraud. But since we have a subservient population with a serf mentality, Obama and all the others will not only get away with all their fraud and corruption and outright lies, they'll continue to be worshipeby their rabid flock.
 
Last edited:
Zaap said:
People think of politiicians they agree with as their owners, themselves as serfs, so anything master does is not only accepted, but the politician's birthright. You can just see the gnashing of teeth from Obama's serf-brigade to even grudgingly admit master lied to them. To even question Dear Leader they have to bring up politicians they don't like (the ones that didn't promise them a free ride) and come up with the "he did it tooooooo" excuse for Dear Leader.

If politicians were held to anywhere near the same standards as the private sector, most of them (and definitely Obama) would be in jail for book cooking and fraud. But since we have a subservient population with a serf mentality, Obama and all the others will not only get away with all their fraud and corruption and outright lies, they'll continue to be worshipeby their rabid flock.
Click to expand...

Surely if there were actual crimes and misdemeanors to impeach Obama for, the GOP would have impeached him by now. Or are you saying the Republicans are also Obama's serfs?
 
cubby1223 said:
Except he lost the election because of that line.

Obama wins elections after delivering such lines.
Click to expand...

Well it's all about the competition isn't it. You're not telling the people"send this overcooked and too fatty steak back because it's not what you ordered" you're saying "your steak is overcooked, here eat this flaming pile of dog shit instead!"

If the Republicans had managed to put up a mildly decent candidate you may have had a chance. Even in the year since the election and some of the things that have come forward, Obama would still have beaten any of last year's candidates.
 
boomerang said:
We hear this "logic" repeatedly from the progressive left. It's all based in the concept of "fairness" that has been burned into their brains. Their thought processes gobble it up because it can be used to justify any behavior. We've got posts in P&N this very day in which shit has been dredged up from the early 1800's and used in an attempt to counter what is happening today.

The worst part is that they've been taught this method of thinking means they're smart. They can't see that it is a sign of immaturity and that polite people just pretend they didn't hear what they just heard. This then makes them feel they're "winning". Fine, let them think that. Arguing with adolescent minds is seldom worth the effort. They feel they know it all and must learn from their mistakes. Unfortunately in this case they're dragging the whole nation into their maelstrom of idiocy.
Click to expand...
Well said. Your optimism that any of the regressives will "learn from their mistakes is admirable. I wish I had that optimism when it comes to leftwingers. From what I've seen though they never learn from mistakes they just blame everything that inevitably goes wrong with all their hairbrained schemes on Republicans and then double down on stupid going full bore into even more of whatever caused the fail in the first place. The solution to the failures of government with too much power.... is to give government even more power. Therefore their solution to Obama's failings... is that he needs even more power. Republicans simply didn't roll over enough and let Dear Leader do whatever he wanted, and that pesky outdated constitution held him back as well.
 
Your obama is lying about a lie. He lied..it was an intentional willful act of deceit to benefit the democrat party. He knew three years ago that he would have to lie to get it passed and service the lie for at least three years or more. He lied. It was a calculated political decision based on the assumption that the blinkered and blind obama followers would continue their cloistered support...listen to the pronouns in your obama's latest twist of lies.
 
senseamp said:
Surely if there were actual crimes and misdemeanors to impeach Obama for, the GOP would have impeached him by now. Or are you saying the Republicans are also Obama's serfs?
Click to expand...

Yes.

The ones who don't submit are called radicals, terrorists and traitors.
 
senseamp said:
Surely if there were actual crimes and misdemeanors to impeach Obama for, the GOP would have impeached him by now. Or are you saying the Republicans are also Obama's serfs?
Click to expand...
Its not an R vs D thing. Republicans are no different when it comes to big govt fraud and corruption.

If you notice the only time a politician is ever gone after legally it's actually for something fairly bullshit. Nixon for spying on his opponent and Clinton for a blowjob. But as someone here wisely pointed out recently you can spy on the whole world and fuck over the entire populace and that's okay.

In other words the political class R or D will only go for blood that makes the other side look bad but *NEVER* will they go after their sacred cows that they all rely on like fraud, book cooking, betrayal of public trust, mismanagement and embezzlement of public funds, lying to and misleading the public, etc. They all need those as tools of their trade and can't call the other side out on what they themselves rely on.
 
Well, that is not entirely accurate. I would say your average Republican is more sensitive to big government and abuse of power, even if elements are sometimes less well behaved than we would like in their zeal. Conservatism as an ideology is also more apt to tackle fraud and waste in my opinion, recent examples notwithstanding.
 
Agent11 said:
Well, that is not entirely accurate. I would say your average Republican is more sensitive to big government and abuse of power, even if elements are sometimes less well behaved than we would like in their zeal. Conservatism as an ideology is also more apt to tackle fraud and waste in my opinion, recent examples notwithstanding.
Click to expand...
The average rank and file Republican voter that's actually a conservative, sure.

The establishment Republicans in DC- absolutely not. They're as bad as Democrats at covering for their own share of what should be criminal abuses of the system.

You're right though, the average conservative readily sees and admits that, vs. the average liberal that excuses and bends over for *anything* "their guys" do.
 
Oh, oh. There may be yet another lie. Pre-existing condition? You can't be excluded. But are you covered? Maybe not.

No, Obamacare Might Not Cover Your Preexisting Condition

Key to understanding this distinction is that having “health coverage” is not the same as actually obtaining “health care.” The insurance plan has to take anyone who wants to enroll, regardless of their health status or health history – but they don’t have to provide the same treatments, the same doctors, or the same medications that a patient has been receiving.

For someone in the middle of a cancer treatment, or someone with a chronic condition, this can be almost equivalent to losing insurance entirely.
Click to expand...
 
thraashman said:
Well it's all about the competition isn't it. You're not telling the people"send this overcooked and too fatty steak back because it's not what you ordered" you're saying "your steak is overcooked, here eat this flaming pile of dog shit instead!"

If the Republicans had managed to put up a mildly decent candidate you may have had a chance. Even in the year since the election and some of the things that have come forward, Obama would still have beaten any of last year's candidates.
Click to expand...

You are right.

I hate Romney so much. He doesn't stand for anything. He doesn't believe in anything. He just wants to be elected. He takes someone else's script and repeats it.

I don't know. That actually is largely what a president is *supposed* to do, to enforce the legislation congress passes, whatever it may be.

There just is no substance at all in his conversations.
 
Zaap said:
Its not an R vs D thing. Republicans are no different when it comes to big govt fraud and corruption.

If you notice the only time a politician is ever gone after legally it's actually for something fairly bullshit. Nixon for spying on his opponent and Clinton for a blowjob. But as someone here wisely pointed out recently you can spy on the whole world and fuck over the entire populace and that's okay.

In other words the political class R or D will only go for blood that makes the other side look bad but *NEVER* will they go after their sacred cows that they all rely on like fraud, book cooking, betrayal of public trust, mismanagement and embezzlement of public funds, lying to and misleading the public, etc. They all need those as tools of their trade and can't call the other side out on what they themselves rely on.
Click to expand...
Republicans at the D.C. level are pretty much the political equivalent of the old punch line "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you." As long as they can present themselves as slightly more fiscally responsible, slightly less big government, than the Dems, they can do the same thing. At the end of the day they aren't so opposed to the policies as opposed to who is in control. We do see some differences - Republicans staunchly opposed giving control over health insurance to the bureaucracy and gay marriage - but generally speaking they are two sides of the same coin.

I do disagree somewhat about Nixon though. While the break-in was a pretty minor thing, his behavior in trying to cover it up was pretty monstrous. Unfortunately we now see Obama doing pretty much the same things with approval from his side of the aisle.
 
Jaskalas said:
The damage the Democrats have done is universal.

Ex: Obamacare forces school district to consider substitute teachers...

Healthcare insurance is dead, long live single payer. In the meantime we will all suffer through the transition.
Click to expand...

That was an inevitability with skyrocketing health care costs and an aging population of boomers starting to retire with significantly longer life expectancy than when they started working. The health care system in this country was already hopelessly beyond repair. Obamacare doesn't help with that at all. But if it convinces the country to abandon private insurers paid for by employers with a single payer government system? That's a step in the right direction. The old system was bad, the current system is bad, let's try something new.
 
Zaap said:
Its not an R vs D thing. Republicans are no different when it comes to big govt fraud and corruption.

If you notice the only time a politician is ever gone after legally it's actually for something fairly bullshit. Nixon for spying on his opponent and Clinton for a blowjob. But as someone here wisely pointed out recently you can spy on the whole world and fuck over the entire populace and that's okay.
Click to expand...

I wasn't alive then, and I may be wrong, but wasn't Nixon in trouble for covering for people who spied for him? IIRC Nixon had no idea about the operation until afterwards when they were caught, but he covered for them as they were trying to help him, correct?

Not defending Nixon at all, disagreed with his statist ideology, and he had a big hand in turning the republicans into a bunch of power hungry statists that just want slightly lower taxes, but just want to make sure I have history correct.

The reason I point that out, is that compared to the scandals we hear about today, Nixon's was miniscule. Yet he got lambasted for it. IMO its all in the media. They create the uproar, they control the general public's sentiment about an issue.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
That was an inevitability with skyrocketing health care costs and an aging population of boomers starting to retire with significantly longer life expectancy than when they started working. The health care system in this country was already hopelessly beyond repair. Obamacare doesn't help with that at all. But if it convinces the country to abandon private insurers paid for by employers with a single payer government system? That's a step in the right direction. The old system was bad, the current system is bad, let's try something new.
Click to expand...
What an expensive way to get there. But, being fiscally conservative only matters to Democrats when it's an issue they don't agree with. What's especially puzzling is why they chose such a circuitous route to get there. They had the votes they needed to pass anything. I mean, it's almost like there was no real plan at all.
 
Doppel said:
Don't see it as a lie; it is the least untruthful statement.
Click to expand...

No it was a LIE.

But fuck lets be honest. The statement should have been a major news paice over the last few years (i don't recall it being talked about negatively). A little common sense and people s hould have known it wasn't possible.

i guess hindsight is 20/20. now thinking about it i can't see how it would have been possible that anyone would keep the plan they had (unless it covered everything). it just does not make sense.

but meh. i believed him
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top