Obama can't win a majority of pledged delegates.

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Why didn't they stop SuperTurkey (Kerry)? I would think that even Joe the mailman could have been President if the (D)'s had run him in '04. Kerry was utterly unelectable.

Well, Kerry was a real winner next to Mondale. That guy won 1 freaking state!

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Why didn't they stop SuperTurkey (Kerry)? I would think that even Joe the mailman could have been President if the (D)'s had run him in '04. Kerry was utterly unelectable.

Well, Kerry was a real winner next to Mondale. That guy won 1 freaking state!

To be fair, Mondale faced a very popular and telegenic Reagan riding a resurgent economy and cowering Russians. I doubt Bill Clinton could have won 10 states on his best form in '84 against that juggernaut.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
To be fair, Mondale faced a very popular and telegenic Reagan riding a resurgent economy and cowering Russians. I doubt Bill Clinton could have won 10 states on his best form in '84 against that juggernaut.

True, Reagan was a winner. And it would have been a hell of a show to see Slick run against him.

 

[Capitalizt]

techs is, and has always been...an idiot.

 

[hellokeith]

Techs may actually be correct. (did I just say that?)

The Clinton machine is large and powerful, and both Hill and Bill have a ton of support. Obama may have the momentum, but the fat lady has not yet sung, and I will only believe she won't get the nomination when I actually see it happen at the convention, which is not a given.

A year ago I gave Hillary a >50% chance of getting the nomination and 50/50 chance of winning the election. I'm still sticking to that prediction, at least until the convention.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Pabster
Yep, Dems put in Supers after Mondale to prevent a turkey like him from being nominated again.

Why didn't they stop SuperTurkey (Kerry)? I would think that even Joe the mailman could have been President if the (D)'s had run him in '04. Kerry was utterly unelectable.

Kerry seemed electable at the time... little did anyone know what an absolutely shitty campaign he was going to run and what a loser of a VP he picked.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Pabster
Yep, Dems put in Supers after Mondale to prevent a turkey like him from being nominated again.

Why didn't they stop SuperTurkey (Kerry)? I would think that even Joe the mailman could have been President if the (D)'s had run him in '04. Kerry was utterly unelectable.

Kerry seemed electable at the time... little did anyone know what an absolutely shitty campaign he was going to run and what a loser of a VP he picked.

The supers couldn't stop kerry, he won enough pledged delegates during the primary season that the 800 supervotes wouldn't have been enough to alter the outcome. He had 2573, and Edwards was way behind with less than 600.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Techs, you've been a decent guy in the past, but your desperate pro-Hillary posts are just ridiculous. Do yourself and your credibility a favor and stop.

Techs has never had credibility on any subject here.
He's in the same group with McOwen and others.
Two sides of the same coin.

 

[teclis1023]

Techs actually makes me miss the Ron Paul Bots. I mean, they're both pathetic, but at least the RP Bots were really willing to go crazy insane to try to 'prove' their points.

If Obama wins the nom, I'll be ecstatic. I'm pumped for him and I think he represents some real change. If Clinton wins, I'll vote for her. I've always been a fan of the Clintons, though as of late I've had some misgivings with them. But back to topic: GOBAMA!

 

[glenn1]

I'm mystified as to what generates such vigorous Hillary support in Techs.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: glenn1
I'm mystified as to what generates such vigorous Hillary support in Techs.

Me too. I think he originally started posting pro-Hillary threads just to annoy the conservatives on this forum who didn't like her but instead annoyed everyone.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Techs, you've been a decent guy in the past, but your desperate pro-Hillary posts are just ridiculous. Do yourself and your credibility a favor and stop.

Maybe he just thinks she's the better candidate and I agree with him.

 

[Wheezer]

It will be both sad for the country but at the same time hilarious for the Dems if HRC wins the primary.

They complained in 2000 and 2004 that the Republicans stole the presidency and GWB was an illegitimate president because he was not elected through the "popular vote" now it seems like the Dems are no better and could possibly screw over their own party members in the primary by not going with the "popular vote".

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
It will be both sad for the country but at the same time hilarious for the Dems if HRC wins the primary.

They complained in 2000 and 2004 that the Republicans stole the presidency and GWB was an illegitimate president because he was not elected through the "popular vote" now it seems like the Dems are no better and could possibly screw over their own party members in the primary by not going with the "popular vote".

if by "popular vote," you mean popular vote except for FL and Michigan

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: loki8481
if by "popular vote," you mean popular vote except for FL and Michigan

Hey, they broke the rules. Doing that has consequences.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Techs, you've been a decent guy in the past, but your desperate pro-Hillary posts are just ridiculous. Do yourself and your credibility a favor and stop.

Maybe he just thinks she's the better candidate and I agree with him.

There's a difference between supporting her and creating troll thread after troll thread about how inevitable her victory is (particularly when all available evidence suggests it is wildly unlikely) and/or implying that Obama's only qualification is his race. I have no problem with Hillary - I will vote for her if she's nominated - I just have a problem with posts like techs's.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: loki8481
if by "popular vote," you mean popular vote except for FL and Michigan

Hey, they broke the rules. Doing that has consequences.

superdelegates having a large say in the nomination is also part of the rules

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: loki8481
superdelegates having a large say in the nomination is also part of the rules

Yep.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: loki8481
superdelegates having a large say in the nomination is also part of the rules

Yep.

Obama still leads including Florida

I don't think anyone is going to count Michigan (all news organizations certainly haven't) because Clinton was the only one on the ballot.

 

[Eeezee]

If you've been paying attention, the superdelagates aren't all voting for Hillary. More superdelagates have been pledging support for Obama as he's gained more popular support.

So in conclusion, you're wrong.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: techs
Its interesting how Obama is being written about as "on a roll".
Politicos.com quotes the AP delegate count, including super and certain projected delegates as Obama 1210 to Clintons 1118. A mere 102 delegate difference out of 4049.

BUT with 796 super delegates out of 4049 total delegates that means that about 20 percent of the delegates are super delegates!.
So in order to win the nomination outright, a candidate would need to win 2025 delegate out of.....4049-796='s 3253 delegates up for actual voting and not super delegates.

In other words there are onlly 3253 delegates up for grabs in the voting. To win the needed 2025 without any super delegates a candidate would need to win 2025 out of 3253!
Which means a victory margin of roughly 2/3. Even if Obama takes 90 percent of every vote still to be cast he will be far short.

While Obama has gotten far more press for the winning of most of the small states, in fact he is maybe 100-200 delegates at the very most ahead in the actual delegates won.
A number which, at this point, will not hold up after the March 4 voting, if the polls hold, and of course they may not.

But the bottom line is the democrats set it up so unless one candidate won a huge, huge, huge, majority of the elected delegates the super delegates were going to be needed to determne the candidate.

So folks, its going to the super delegates to decide.

You're such a fucking tool...

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: techs
But the bottom line is the democrats set it up so unless one candidate won a huge, huge, huge, majority of the elected delegates the super delegates were going to be needed to determne the candidate.

So folks, its going to the super delegates to decide.

You're such a fucking tool...

Great rebuttal, DB.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I don't get the surprise. We all knew pretty much by Super Tuesday that it would be decided by Super Delegates.

Most of the Super Delegates will fall in line behind the one with the most pledged. The ones that don't will look like scum bags and there won't be enough of them to make a difference.

Super Delegates are already switching to Obama.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I don't get the surprise. We all knew pretty much by Super Tuesday that it would be decided by Super Delegates.

Most of the Super Delegates will fall in line behind the one with the most pledged. The ones that don't will look like scum bags and there won't be enough of them to make a difference.

Super Delegates are already switching to Obama.

Precisely. :thumbsup:

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g

Super Delegates are already switching to Obama.

Please list the names of the super delegates who have "switched" to Obama. Or at least provide a link to prove that any of them have switched from Clinton to Obama. Thanks.