Obama can't promise to bring the troops home

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: FoBoT
Clinton and Obama have already realized they can't remove ALL troops from Iraq, they would be blamed for the mass deaths from the civil war that would follow. (and influence of Iran/Syria that would result)

if a Democrat is elected, they will immediately remove a few brigades to placate the anti-war peoples, then they'll more or less leave it to the military leadership to advise them on when they can remove more troops. they'll make a HUGE show of working with the Iraqi civilian govt. to try and get them moving towards self sufficiency, but that will be a slow slow road whether the US is led by a Democrat or Republican

So you admit things would be alot worse without us there? Interesting.

Actually things have been a lot worse SINCE we were there.

Be that as it may, I agree with Whoozyerdaddy

Nobody can promise to get all the troops out of Iraq by a certain date. We're there. Like it or not we're there

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a disaster. You don't walk away from a disaster without paying the price disasters cost. A big enough disaster and you don't walk away at all.

Just blame everything on Bush. So easy isn't it? How can 1 man fuck up America this badly and still get elected 2 terms in office and not get kicked?

Because ******** like you voted for him.

Wrong! American PopLikTits has nothing to do with me.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a disaster. You don't walk away from a disaster without paying the price disasters cost. A big enough disaster and you don't walk away at all.

Just blame everything on Bush. So easy isn't it? How can 1 man fuck up America this badly and still get elected 2 terms in office and not get kicked?

Because ******** like you voted for him.

Wrong! American PopLikTits has nothing to do with me.

Didn't say you voted for him, I said people like you did.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a disaster. You don't walk away from a disaster without paying the price disasters cost. A big enough disaster and you don't walk away at all.

Just blame everything on Bush. So easy isn't it? How can 1 man fuck up America this badly and still get elected 2 terms in office and not get kicked?

Because ******** like you voted for him.

Wrong! American PopLikTits has nothing to do with me.

Didn't say you voted for him, I said people like you did.

People like me huh? Are you just trolling or do you actually know me from somewhere?

First you imply I'm an asshole. Second you tell me I'm those people who voted for Bush? What are you trying to get at?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a disaster. You don't walk away from a disaster without paying the price disasters cost. A big enough disaster and you don't walk away at all.

Just blame everything on Bush. So easy isn't it? How can 1 man fuck up America this badly and still get elected 2 terms in office and not get kicked?

Because ******** like you voted for him.

Wrong! American PopLikTits has nothing to do with me.

Didn't say you voted for him, I said people like you did.

Maybe people like YOU should have nominated a better option?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a disaster. You don't walk away from a disaster without paying the price disasters cost. A big enough disaster and you don't walk away at all.

Just blame everything on Bush. So easy isn't it? How can 1 man fuck up America this badly and still get elected 2 terms in office and not get kicked?

Because ******** like you voted for him.

Wrong! American PopLikTits has nothing to do with me.

Didn't say you voted for him, I said people like you did.

Maybe people like YOU should have nominated a better option?

How can they? They are drowning in their own greed and ignorance.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a disaster. You don't walk away from a disaster without paying the price disasters cost. A big enough disaster and you don't walk away at all.

Just blame everything on Bush. So easy isn't it? How can 1 man fuck up America this badly and still get elected 2 terms in office and not get kicked?

Because ******** like you voted for him.

Wrong! American PopLikTits has nothing to do with me.

Didn't say you voted for him, I said people like you did.

Maybe people like YOU should have nominated a better option?

I tried but the idiots chose Bush over MCain.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Nobody who wins the office will be able to bring ALL of the troops home from Iraq -- we'll probably have troops there for 50-100 more years, or longer -- similar to our extended strategic presence in Japan, Germany, and South Korea.

That's just the reality of the situation in the ME.

It's nice to see that Obama is grounded in reality, and that he's not blowing much smoke just to get elected. :thumbsup:

What a buncha palehorse shit, flip flop, spins spins, whichever the way the wind blows right? Didn't this come off the horse's mouth himself that he'll have the troops home within 16 months of his presidency?

link?

You watched the debate right? I'm sure you're smart enough to find the transcript.

actually no, i didnt... so... link? (specifically the quote about 16 months... please)

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Nobody who wins the office will be able to bring ALL of the troops home from Iraq -- we'll probably have troops there for 50-100 more years, or longer -- similar to our extended strategic presence in Japan, Germany, and South Korea.

That's just the reality of the situation in the ME.

It's nice to see that Obama is grounded in reality, and that he's not blowing much smoke just to get elected. :thumbsup:

I'll agree that Obama seems more firmly grounded in reality than a lot of his fellow candidates, but I really wish people would stop comparing Iraq to Japan, Germany and South Korea. Our continued presence in those countries was based on providing a deterrent to outside aggressors, and it is now based on being able to have a diverse geographic base for military operations. There is very little need to be in Germany or Japan specifically, our reasons for doing so have NOTHING to do with the war that originally placed troops there. South Korea may be slightly different, but again, we're there to provide a reason for North Korea to continue to place nice.

Other middle eastern countries may become the primary threat to Iraq in the future, particularly Iran, but the only reason we need troops there NOW is because the country can't govern itself without copious amounts of American muscle around to force everyone to play nice. This is not a characteristic of the countries you mentioned, and I sure as hell hope we're not still in Iraq in 100 years for the same reason we're there today.

 

[jpeyton]

That's okay; at least he doesn't want them there for another 100 years like McCain.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Nobody who wins the office will be able to bring ALL of the troops home from Iraq -- we'll probably have troops there for 50-100 more years, or longer -- similar to our extended strategic presence in Japan, Germany, and South Korea.

That's just the reality of the situation in the ME.

It's nice to see that Obama is grounded in reality, and that he's not blowing much smoke just to get elected. :thumbsup:

I'll agree that Obama seems more firmly grounded in reality than a lot of his fellow candidates, but I really wish people would stop comparing Iraq to Japan, Germany and South Korea. Our continued presence in those countries was based on providing a deterrent to outside aggressors, and it is now based on being able to have a diverse geographic base for military operations. There is very little need to be in Germany or Japan specifically, our reasons for doing so have NOTHING to do with the war that originally placed troops there. South Korea may be slightly different, but again, we're there to provide a reason for North Korea to continue to place nice.

Other middle eastern countries may become the primary threat to Iraq in the future, particularly Iran, but the only reason we need troops there NOW is because the country can't govern itself without copious amounts of American muscle around to force everyone to play nice. This is not a characteristic of the countries you mentioned, and I sure as hell hope we're not still in Iraq in 100 years for the same reason we're there today.

Our mission and purpose will evolve in accordance with the evolution of the Iraqi government. Eventually, our reasons may be very similar to those you described for Germany, S. Korea, Japan, and elsewhere.

Strategic geographic locale? check!
Deterrent to outside aggressors? check!
Security of a natural resource critical to American stability? check!
Provide a reason for Iraq and Saudi Arabia to play nice? check!

Yes, 100 years seems VERY realistic to me...

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
That's okay; at least he doesn't want them there for another 100 years like McCain.

McCain never said that he "wanted" them there for that long... just an FYI.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
That's okay; at least he doesn't want them there for another 100 years like McCain.

What a dishonest spin on McCain's comments.

He never said, nor implied, that he "wanted" troops there for 100 years.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Nobody who wins the office will be able to bring ALL of the troops home from Iraq -- we'll probably have troops there for 50-100 more years, or longer -- similar to our extended strategic presence in Japan, Germany, and South Korea.

That's just the reality of the situation in the ME.

It's nice to see that Obama is grounded in reality, and that he's not blowing much smoke just to get elected. :thumbsup:

What a buncha palehorse shit, flip flop, spins spins, whichever the way the wind blows right? Didn't this come off the horse's mouth himself that he'll have the troops home within 16 months of his presidency?

link please since you brought it up.......

 

[OokiiNeko]

Our continued presence in those countries was based on providing a deterrent to outside aggressors, and it is now based on being able to have a diverse geographic base for military operations.

Actually, having spent time in at least two of those countries (been to the third as well) I can say that in at least one instance, the reason is more to keep an eye on the defeated to make sure they do not return to previous wartime desires.

Clinton and Obama have already realized they can't remove ALL troops from Iraq, they would be blamed for the mass deaths from the civil war that would follow.

I think this "civil war" is being drummed (beforehand) just like "factional violence" was before the invasion. Of course we then left rather big weapons caches unguarded, had some suspicious mosque bombings, and the "factional violence" finally caught on. Wonder what "civil war" enablers are being set-up?

The only reason we're still there is because the Iraqis won't sign over their oil in a sweetheart deal to American interests

Speaking of oil, WHO has been getting paid for the oil pumped out since the invasion and WHY is that money not being used to fund this instead of our tax dollars.

No accountability for the oil money and Big Oil posting record profits.

I`ll proudly wear my tinfoil hat to make a connection between the two.

 

[bamacre]

The same people who lied to get us into that mess are the same ones that are convincing you we have to stay. Pathetic. Where is the support for our troops?

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Too many Chickenhawks out there.

 

[FoBoT]

i want ALL troops out of South Korea before Iraq


THINK OF THE TROOPS, DON'T YOU LOVE THE TROOPS!?!/1/?!??!?