yllus
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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
How is babby formed?Originally posted by: yllus
Realistically, Afghanistan can never be tamed. A few cities in the nation can be patrolled day and night and the citizens inside protected for the most part, but the vast majority of the country is harsh terrain which has been controlled by nobody for as long as the human race has existed.
The only positive endgame in that theatre of war is to industrialize and enrich the urban parts of the country enough to tempt those in the mountains to come down and abandon their productive rocks-and-IED farming career. Then hand control over to the Afghanis themselves while keeping a few bases here and there to launch quick strikes as needed on the Afghan-Pakistani border, which will never be safe. Should take ten or twenty years if we start immediately.
You scare me.
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: yllus
Realistically, Afghanistan can never be tamed. A few cities in the nation can be patrolled day and night and the citizens inside protected for the most part, but the vast majority of the country is harsh terrain which has been controlled by nobody for as long as the human race has existed.
The only positive endgame in that theatre of war is to industrialize and enrich the urban parts of the country enough to tempt those in the mountains to come down and abandon their productive rocks-and-IED farming career. Then hand control over to the Afghanis themselves while keeping a few bases here and there to launch quick strikes as needed on the Afghan-Pakistani border, which will never be safe. Should take ten or twenty years if we start immediately.
Oh it could be tamed overnight, the West is just not willing to adopt Taliban Methodolgy and nuances and why we are spinning our wheels.
Right, we have to kill them to save them. As much as I hate the Talibans, we have to negotiate with them, maybe not now but later on. I don't see the US winning this war through military means. I think Pres Obama has recognized this. The Talibans are the people in Southern Afghanistan and bordering Pakistan, they're not going to convert into something we want. The Talibans have stated they no longer support Al-Queda, they have lost a great deal because of their ties to Al-Queda (spelled wrong, I think), while Al-Queda just moved on to some where else, like Pakistan. We still have to remember who orchestrated the 9/11 attack, they weren't Afghans or Iraqis, something that George Bush had conveniently forgotten.
Before we negotiate we need to bring a strong hand to the card table, or our bluff will rightly be called. Here we're starting the necessary buildup required to negotiate from a position of strength.
This is what your new President was talking about when he mentioned using military strength to augment diplomacy instead of it being the other way around.
