Obama begins buildup in Afghanistan

[MikeMike]

http://www.cnn.com/

wahoo, we get a new president, we begin ramping up a new/old war... yes we have been in afghanistan but we dont need to police the world... wtf..

 

[OCGuy]

Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

 

[alien42]

uhhhhh, this is nothing new. Obama clearly and repeatedly stated before the election we would leave Iraq and then clean up the mess Bush left in Afghanistan.

 

[bamacre]

So what exactly are we still doing in Afghanistan, and what exactly is our exit strategy?

Originally posted by: alien42
uhhhhh, this is nothing new. Obama clearly and repeatedly stated before the election we would leave Iraq and then clean up the mess Bush left in Afghanistan.

Yes, he did. And another reason I didn't vote for him.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: bamacre
So what exactly are we still doing in Afghanistan, and what exactly is our exit strategy?

Well considering we haven't really done anything there up until now we have a lot to do. Bush really made shit hard for his successor.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: bamacre
So what exactly are we still doing in Afghanistan, and what exactly is our exit strategy?

Well considering we haven't really done anything there up until now we have a lot to do. Bush really made shit hard for his successor.

How so? We won in iraq, now focus elsewhere. If anything Bush left things pretty much cleaned up war wise.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

:Q WTF are you smoking? This is the same war, different theater.

Body bags containing soldiers from Iraq = bad.
Body bags containing soldiers from Afghanistan = OK.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

:Q WTF are you smoking? This is the same war, different theater.

Body bags containing soldiers from Iraq due to Bush = bad.
Body bags containing soldiers from Afghanistan due to Obama = OK.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: bamacre
So what exactly are we still doing in Afghanistan, and what exactly is our exit strategy?

Well considering we haven't really done anything there up until now we have a lot to do. Bush really made shit hard for his successor.

How so? I think there a quite a few in the military who feel we have done some good things over there. Afghanistan is not really a country like you and I think one should be. Sure there is a central government but the farther away you get from Kabul the more the country is ruled by different tribes/warlords/ or whatever you want to call them. Not an easy place to get everyone under on umbrella.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

:Q WTF are you smoking? This is the same war, different theater.

Body bags containing soldiers from Iraq = bad.
Body bags containing soldiers from Afghanistan = OK.

Afghanistan- Taliban government harbored and fostered AQ which attacked US interests in the US, Middle East, and Africa

Iraq- Not so much




How are they the same war again?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

:Q WTF are you smoking? This is the same war, different theater.

Body bags containing soldiers from Iraq = bad.
Body bags containing soldiers from Afghanistan = OK.

wtf are you smoking

Body Bags = bad >.<

 

[KlokWyze]

Originally posted by: alien42
uhhhhh, this is nothing new. Obama clearly and repeatedly stated before the election we would leave Iraq and then clean up the mess Bush left in Afghanistan.

yup

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Afghanistan- Taliban government harbored and fostered AQ which attacked US interests in the US, Middle East, and Africa

Iraq- Not so much




How are they the same war again?

I agree with my friend OCguy31. How the hell is this anywhere near the same war?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

:Q WTF are you smoking? This is the same war, different theater.

Body bags containing soldiers from Iraq = bad.
Body bags containing soldiers from Afghanistan = OK.

wtf are you smoking

Body Bags = bad >.<

If you are on a "all war is bad" platform, then world politics are not for you.


We have a mission in Afghanistan that was never completed due to the Iraq debacle. There are many people alot smarter than you that agree with this, so I think i'll stay on this side. Thanks.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: bamacre
So what exactly are we still doing in Afghanistan, and what exactly is our exit strategy?

Well considering we haven't really done anything there up until now we have a lot to do. Bush really made shit hard for his successor.

How so? We won in iraq, now focus elsewhere. If anything Bush left things pretty much cleaned up war wise.

You have an interesting way of looking at 'won'

If by 'won' you mean we replaced a secular leadership where minorities of Chirstains, Druze, Liquor sellers, discos, barbers, homosexuals, etc were protected but instead replaced with Sharia law and fundis loyal to fundi Iran I guess you could conclude we 'won'. A victory for Shi'a Islam.


If by 'won' you mean bribes paying the thugs off so they pretty please stop killing us so we can make a somewhat honorable retreat to the simple minded, then we won.

Stop kidding yourself, soon as we leave, all hell will break loose. Because the Sunni will never accept second class status to the 'rarefied dogs' Shia.


I need not mention the 3 trillion spent and 4500 American lives wasted for the 'winning' ways GWB brought us:thumbsdown:

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

:Q WTF are you smoking? This is the same war, different theater.

Body bags containing soldiers from Iraq = bad.
Body bags containing soldiers from Afghanistan = OK.

Afghanistan- Taliban government harbored and fostered AQ which attacked US interests in the US, Middle East, and Africa

Iraq- Not so much




How are they the same war again?

afghan war = legit war
iraq = bs that shouldn't of been started

 

[ayabe]

Ok if we won in Iraq, how come Petraeus is saying 23 month minimum till we can leave or the world will come to an end?

I've had enough of both of them, but hopefully now we can work towards getting them both resolved in a satisfactory manner, instead of muddling through both with no end game in sight.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31



If you are on a "all war is bad" platform, then world politics are not for you.


We have a mission in Afghanistan that was never completed due to the Iraq debacle. There are many people alot smarter than you that agree with this, so I think i'll stay on this side. Thanks.

My stance is this

"all war is bad" but "some war is necessary"

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Ocguy31



If you are on a "all war is bad" platform, then world politics are not for you.


We have a mission in Afghanistan that was never completed due to the Iraq debacle. There are many people alot smarter than you that agree with this, so I think i'll stay on this side. Thanks.

My stance is this

"all war is bad" but "some war is necessary"

So by "some war", do you count wars that are against people who have harmed us, and plan on continuing to harm us?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
So by "some war", do you count wars that are against people who have harmed us, and plan on continuing to harm us?

Yes. I don't see Afghanistan as a preemptive war like Iraq.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

:Q WTF are you smoking? This is the same war, different theater.

Body bags containing soldiers from Iraq = bad.
Body bags containing soldiers from Afghanistan = OK.

Afghanistan- Taliban government harbored and fostered AQ which attacked US interests in the US, Middle East, and Africa

Iraq- Not so much




How are they the same war again?

afghan war = legit war
iraq = bs that shouldn't of been started

Why? Because AQ lived and did business there? Please. Iraq was a valid war at least in the beginning. Whats going to happen now? Are we going to overthrow the Afghan gov't? If not, what then? Boots all over the place shooting at bad guys? WTF?

All the fuckers who are in Iraq taking shots at us (because they can) will simply move and take shots at us in Afghanistan. Same fucking war.

 

[imported_K3N]

Afghanistan could be the staging ground for a future assault into Pakistan (to prevent China from building a pipeline through it from Iran). If Karzai is liquidated, we could definetely see a huge upsurge, such as the one that occured in south vietnam after the liquidation of Ngo Diem.

 

[palehorse]

It's about damn time... THANK YOU OBAMA! :thumbsup:

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Ok if we won in Iraq, how come Petraeus is saying 23 month minimum till we can leave or the world will come to an end?

I've had enough of both of them, but hopefully now we can work towards getting them both resolved in a satisfactory manner, instead of muddling through both with no end game in sight.

Unless he's changed his position, Obama said in Dec. we'll be there another 3 years.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, we need to concentrate on Afghanistan. If we dumped the soldiers there instead of Iraq, we would at least have a chance at an exit-strategy by now.

:Q WTF are you smoking? This is the same war, different theater.

Body bags containing soldiers from Iraq = bad.
Body bags containing soldiers from Afghanistan = OK.

Afghanistan- Taliban government harbored and fostered AQ which attacked US interests in the US, Middle East, and Africa

Iraq- Not so much




How are they the same war again?

afghan war = legit war
iraq = bs that shouldn't of been started

All the fuckers who are in Iraq taking shots at us (because they can) will simply move and take shots at us in Afghanistan. Same fucking war.

Wrong. Iraq is a civil-war type issue. 2 Islamic factions who are in an armed struggle to control the country, and a seperatist Kurd faction in the North.

Yes, we catch Persian fighters and weapons, but that is Iran just meddling in some cold-war style action. Nothing new.

Afghanistan has a fragile and limited central government that we put in place. However, most of the country is lawless and some is under control of the Taliban and AQ, who need to be wiped out.