Obama arms ISIS

[StarTech15]

If those jets even get off the ground and even attempt to do anything they'll get fragged.

Lots of fighter pilots out there just have been drooling to go TOPGUN on anything for ages.

QFT

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yeah! Wait, what?

I would google the ABC's of Jihad and read up on it before I posted "Wait, what?"
Then you could learn something new, that you did not know before about American and the War on Terror

 

[StarTech15]

I would google the ABC's of Jihad and read up on it before I posted "Wait, what?"
Then you could learn something new, that you did not know before about American and the War on Terror

Eh. I think I know where that's going. I'm ok here in reality.

 

[MongGrel]

delete.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Eh. I think I know where that's going. I'm ok here in reality.

Well no..you seem to be choosing to remain ignorant

 

[StarTech15]

Well no..you seem to be choosing to remain ignorant

Conspiracy theory. Free association. No time for that.

 

[himkhan]

Revisionist history.

 

[StarTech15]

Revisionist history.

Something like that.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Conspiracy theory. Free association. No time for that.

Ah ok
It has been discussed here before and no one mentioned conspiracy theory
The Washington Times didn't think so either

 

[StarTech15]

Ah ok
It has been discussed here before and no one mentioned conspiracy theory
The Washington Times didn't think so either

The ABCs of Jihad was a real thing. But it has little to do with the creation of Al Qaeda. It was one more way the US supported the Afghan opposition (or jihad), of which the Taliban was a fraction, against the Soviets.

You seem to think it had something to do with the jihad currently in place against Western civilization by Al Qaeda. That's where the conspiracy comes in.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The ABCs of Jihad was a real thing. But it has little to do with the creation of Al Qaeda. It was one more way the US supported the Afghan opposition (or jihad), of which the Taliban was a fraction, against the Soviets.

You seem to think it had something to do with the jihad currently in place against Western civilization by Al Qaeda. It doesn't.

None of those kids ended up in Al Qaeda or ISIS or what have you?
I remember during the Iraq War this forum was freaking about Madrasas teaching Muslim kids terrorism

 

[StarTech15]

None of those kids ended up in Al Qaeda or ISIS or what have you?
I remember during the Iraq War this forum was freaking about Madrasas teaching Muslim kids terrorism

Dude. Jihad existed way before that pamphlet was written. We didn't introduce the term to Muslims.

And bin Laden already had his ideology down when he joined the Taliban in fighting the Soviets. His ideas came from an Egyptian writer called Sayyid Qutb who came to the US around that time and didn't like how sexy the ladies were. He wrote a book that bin Laden cherished. He died a virgin.

Afghanistan is where bin Laden decided to make a headquarters for his new network, Al Qaeda, that would be born out of the conflict with the Soviets. All this was already happening on its own without the US.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Dude. Jihad existed way before that pamphlet was written. We didn't introduce the term to Muslims.

I'm well aware of that
What does Jihad mean?

And bin Laden already had his ideology down when he joined the Taliban in fighting the Soviets. His ideas came from an Egyptian writer called Sayyid Qutb who came to the US around that time and didn't like how sexy the ladies were. He wrote a book that bin Laden cherished. He died a virgin.

Afghanistan is where bin Laden decided to make a headquarters for his new network, Al Qaeda, that would be born out of the conflict with the Soviets. All this was already happening on its own without the US.

There's a a shitload of posters here that say the reason Osama gave for 911 was BS
The real reason they say is that Muslims want to take over the world and behead us all who refuse to convert.
That's a conspiracy theory

 

[MongGrel]

Jihad has existed for Centuries.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Jihad has existed for Centuries.

It's in the Quran and there is no one definition
All the different sects of Islam have different versions and that varies from country to country
I guess just like all the different Christian sects disagreeing on what the Bible says
And being a Catholic in the US is a different then being one in Uganda
In Arabic, Jihad simply means "struggle" or "resisting".

 

[StarTech15]

The real reason they say is that Muslims want to take over the world and behead us all who refuse to convert.
That's a conspiracy theory

Uh. Radical Sunni Islamists don't just want to grab land and behead apostates and infidels in the process. They're doing it. If you think that's a conspiracy, you clearly don't know an enemy when you see one.

 

[JumBie]

No, it's simply incorrect to say the US created Al Qaeda. I know exactly what you're thinking when you say that, too. It's a common misconception. We can go into if you'd like.

Lets.

 

[StarTech15]

Lets.

The US supported the overall opposition to the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan. One part of this opposition was a group called the Taliban. The US preferred to back a more moderate group, but to defeat the Soviets, they had to support the opposition as a whole. You see the same thing happened in Syria recently, when 100 ISIS troops were trained by the US.

A young man named Osama bin Laden had been reading up on the Anti-Western literature of an Egyptian named Sayyid Qutb and wanted to put his multi-million dollar inheritance to good use fighting Western imperialism in the Middle East, Asia and Africa with his own brand of Caliphate imperialism. He saw the Afghans' strife against the Soviets as his big opportunity to plant a seedbed for the movement he was planning right in the heart of the Middle East, in Afghanistan. He took up fighting with the Taliban, and gained notoriety as a brave soldier who didn't just lack a fear of death, but harbored a great love for it. After the opposition cleared the Soviets out of the region, the US stopped taking serious interest and the Radical Islamist element became a dominant power.

That means that the Taliban, the radical Islamist group that the US supported in those days, was able to install Sharia on the regions they took over. That's the extent of the US's shame in the matter. And it's shameful indeed.

Al Qaeda, however, was funded wholly by bin Laden's money and the money of private investors. It was never funded by the US, and never needed it, anyway. If the US never supported the opposition in Afghanistan, and the Soviets stayed, bin Laden would have invested his money and love of death into starting a terrorist network elsewhere.

To say that Al Qaeda was created by the US is not just factually wrong. It's morally wrong. It blames the US for the atrocities committed by Al Qaeda, and it exculpates the true murderers and kidnappers and slave-owners. You can read a book called 'The Looming Tower' to find out how Al Qaeda was really created.

 

[Thebobo]

Everyone in the world go over and join ISIS. Bet they don't like it.

 

[werepossum]

How do we know that these arms aren't ending up in the hands of children?

I mean, if another country had the ability to drop arms like this here in the US, wouldn't liberals heads explode over the possibilities?

Children with access to guns. D:
Republicans with access to guns. D:
White people with access to guns. D:
Anyone with access to guns. D:

The humanity!

lol +1

ISIS gets way more american weapons just rolling over the well trained and disiplined Iraqis

Pretty sure they use Russian AKMs, but that is an amusing and probably otherwise accurate picture.

Get your assault rifles, excellent shape. Never fired and only dropped once!

 

[StarTech15]

lol +1


Pretty sure they use Russian AKMs, but that is an amusing and probably otherwise accurate picture.

Get your assault rifles, excellent shape. Never fired and only dropped once!

They stole US tanks and anti-aircraft weaponry from the Iraqi Army when they took Mosul and Tikrit. Yikes.

 

[werepossum]

They stole US tanks and anti-aircraft weaponry from the Iraqi Army when they took Mosul and Tikrit. Yikes.

Crap, that's pretty bad.

 

[Thebobo]

 

[cabri]

Pretty sure they use Russian AKMs, but that is an amusing and probably otherwise accurate picture.

Get your assault rifles, excellent shape. Never fired and only dropped once!

Some have probably never been dropped; lifted straight out of the armory where the US unloaded them.

Greasy hands.

 

[werepossum]

lol

Some have probably never been dropped; lifted straight out of the armory where the US unloaded them.

Greasy hands.

No doubt.

I'd have thought ISIS executing the surrendered Shi'ite soldiers would have put some steel in their spines, but apparently not.