Obama arms ISIS

[K1052]

Does anybody find the box of pineapple grenades a little odd? No fuses, just rolling around in there.

That's mentioned in the article.

“I’ve watched the video several times and it appears bogus to me,” e-mailed Dakota Wood, a former U.S. Central Command logistics planner, now with the Heritage Foundation. “The RPG [[rocket propelled grenade] rounds seem packaged properly, but the final box opened has Spanish markings. The canister opened at the end of the video is not representative of a current U.S. grenade (all our frag grenades are baseball shaped). The photo of M-16s is highly questionable, as the packaging shown is what one would see at a civilian gun show, instead of the packaging I'm familiar with from shipments to armories. Plus, those boxes also don't fit with the air drop bundle shown.”

When even the Heritage Foundation is skeptical of something that could make Obama look bad you have to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Osama Bin Laden is assassinated - Obama had nothing to do with it.

A weapons drop falls into the hands of ISIS - Obama is one who personally armed them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Does anybody find the box of pineapple grenades a little odd? No fuses, just rolling around in there.

It's probably good to not take very much at face value. I would expect that some small portion of weapons would fall into ISIS hands under the best of circumstances. My concern is that weapons too often fall into the hands of those who fight against us. I'm highly skeptical of "moderates". I'm not sure they exist at least in any stable and meaningful way.

 

[MongGrel]

Where do I sign up to get my free gun?

We can give guns to isis but not rednecks? What gives?

I thought we all ready were from all the redneck police departments I've seen with gunboats and LAV's these days.

 

[StarTech15]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...a-s-air-dropped-weapons-now-in-our-hands.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-weapons-find-their-way-to-isis-again/381733/

Such a brilliant leader.

Not a big deal. ISIS has a lot of money. This didn't give them any more arms than they could already afford.

And yeah, Obama didn't personally drop them so it's not his fault. He just gives the big order and then the logistics for each mission are left to the experts. It's their fault. Even then it's sticky business over there and mistakes will happen.

 

[StarTech15]

If you give him credit for Osama, then you have to give him credit for this. And plenty on the left said he got Osama.

People credit Obama with Osama's death because he gave the order even though it would drum up more tension between our ally India and Pakistan, where bin Laden was in hiding. They don't give him credit for the tactical side, which would be absurd.

Likewise a fair-minded person wouldn't blame Obama for a logistical mistake that he's not involved with. If the whole operation of feeding arms to the Kurds were a terrible idea, then Obama would get blamed for it, since that's all he's really responsible for in this situation.

 

[Jaskalas]

Obama arms ISIS

Is this 2012? America has been arming Syrian terrorists for years now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If the whole operation of feeding arms to the Kurds were a terrible idea, then Obama would get blamed for it, since that's all he's really responsible for in this situation.

This would be my concern. As I said earlier we cannot give arms and say "you do what we tell you or we'll take your toys back." Weapons are used for the good of the holder at the moment. Change agenda or the one who wields the gun then whatever premise under which they were given is invalidated. That's been problematic on more occasions than I can count. I'll hold off judgement, however I am uneasy.

 

[werepossum]

Where do I sign up to get my free gun?

We can give guns to isis but not rednecks? What gives?

You sign up in northwest Syria, so hope you really, really want a new gun . . .

Well, it an obvious and expected consequence of the policy he chose.

However, it does seem to be the exception rather than rule so I personally see no huge problem here. Weapons get captured in a war. But I'd rather see them have to fight for them as opposed to just dropping them in their lap.

Fern

Agreed, but this is wildly common. A significant portion of air-dropped supplies in Vietnam were actually recovered by the NVA, even when dropped by helicopter. Even as early as WW2 this was the case.

Is this 2012? America has been arming Syrian terrorists for years now.

In the Middle East, seems like for forever every moderate group is only moderate because they lack the guns required to be extremist.

 

[StarTech15]

This would be my concern. As I said earlier we cannot give arms and say "you do what we tell you or we'll take your toys back." Weapons are used for the good of the holder at the moment.

True. Even if you can trust the group you're arming, if they get taken over by someone far worse can inherit them. That's why ISIS has tanks and jets now Our government thinks short term in the ME.

 

[trenchfoot]

Those jets. That really bothers me to no end. If possible, I hope those get taken out ASAP.

 

[Bitek]

You sign up in northwest Syria, so hope you really, really want a new gun . . .


Agreed, but this is wildly common. A significant portion of air-dropped supplies in Vietnam were actually recovered by the NVA, even when dropped by helicopter. Even as early as WW2 this was the case.


In the Middle East, seems like for forever every moderate group is only moderate because they lack the guns required to be extremist.

My grandfather was fighting the Japanese in the jungles of Burma in WWII.
Supplies were dropped by air, and then it was a race between the friendlies and the Japanese to get to them first. Had to be careful, you may be first, or you may be about to be shot in an ambush. Scary shit.

At no time did my grandfather blame Churchill for arming the Japs...

 

[StarTech15]

Those jets. That really bothers me to no end. If possible, I hope those get taken out ASAP.

If they can even figure out how to fly them, they will be shot down in no time. I read that the US Airforce is looking forward to that in a kind of recreational sense.

 

[werepossum]

My grandfather was fighting the Japanese in the jungles of Burma in WWII.
Supplies were dropped by air, and then it was a race between the friendlies and the Japanese to get to them first. Had to be careful, you may be first, or you may be about to be shot in an ambush. Scary shit.

At no time did my grandfather blame Churchill for arming the Japs...

Yup. It's the nature of war. Clausewitz called it friction. "Everything in war is simple, but in war the simplest things are difficult."

 

[JumBie]

ISIS is Al-Qaeda, guess who created Al-Qaeda? America has been funding terrorist since the cold war.

 

[xBiffx]

How do we know that these arms aren't ending up in the hands of children?

I mean, if another country had the ability to drop arms like this here in the US, wouldn't liberals heads explode over the possibilities?

Children with access to guns. D:
Republicans with access to guns. D:
White people with access to guns. D:
Anyone with access to guns. D:

The humanity!

 

[hal2kilo]

It's probably good to not take very much at face value. I would expect that some small portion of weapons would fall into ISIS hands under the best of circumstances. My concern is that weapons too often fall into the hands of those who fight against us. I'm highly skeptical of "moderates". I'm not sure they exist at least in any stable and meaningful way.

ISIS gets way more american weapons just rolling over the well trained and disiplined Iraqis

 

[StarTech15]

ISIS is Al-Qaeda, guess who created Al-Qaeda? America has been funding terrorist since the cold war.

It's incorrect to say the US created Al Qaeda. Bin Laden did, with the millions of dollars he inherited from his father. Didn't need any help.

 

[StarTech15]

Originally Posted by Hayabusa Rider View Post
It's probably good to not take very much at face value. I would expect that some small portion of weapons would fall into ISIS hands under the best of circumstances. My concern is that weapons too often fall into the hands of those who fight against us. I'm highly skeptical of "moderates". I'm not sure they exist at least in any stable and meaningful way.

ISIS gets way more american weapons just rolling over the well trained and disiplined Iraqis

QFT

 

[JumBie]

It's incorrect to say the US created Al Qaeda. Bin Laden did, with the millions of dollars he inherited from his father. Didn't need any help.

Or maybe its ignorant to say otherwise?

 

[StarTech15]

Or maybe its ignorant to say otherwise?

No, it's simply incorrect to say the US created Al Qaeda. I know exactly what you're thinking when you say that, too. It's a common misconception. We can go into if you'd like.

 

[Orignal Earl]

How do we know that these arms aren't ending up in the hands of children?

First off, the Iraqi kids would be disappointed it wasn't food
Then they would carefully inspect each weapon and make sure they are in good working condition
Then they would trade them, for food

 

[Orignal Earl]

No, it's simply incorrect to say the US created Al Qaeda. I know exactly what you're thinking when you say that, too. It's a common misconception. We can go into if you'd like.

You can say that America produced thousands of textbooks to teach children how to be terrorists though
ABC's of Jihad

 

[MongGrel]

Those jets. That really bothers me to no end. If possible, I hope those get taken out ASAP.

If those jets even get off the ground and even attempt to do anything they'll get fragged.

Lots of fighter pilots out there just have been drooling to go TOPGUN on anything for ages.

I think I read they even tracked one weapons drop that was out of range of where it should have been, and they just dropped another bomb on it to make it unusable.

 

[StarTech15]

You can say that America produced thousands of textbooks to teach children how to be terrorists though
ABC's of Jihad

Yeah! Wait, what?