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Obama Administration sides with RIAA

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"The remedy of statutory damages for copyright infringement has been the cornerstone of our federal copyright law since 1790, and Congress acted reasonably in crafting the current incarnation of the statutory damages provision," said Michelle Bennett, a Department of Justice trial attorney.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok...3/obama-sides-wit.html




I may or may not have figured out how to use Napster in my youth. But since I became an adult and matured enough to know that entertainers should be compensated, I have not appreciated the idiots that steal IP. Apparently, Obama agrees.

It also seems that a few of the more rabid Obama supporters are also torrent supporters. Thoughts?
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
"The remedy of statutory damages for copyright infringement has been the cornerstone of our federal copyright law since 1790, and Congress acted reasonably in crafting the current incarnation of the statutory damages provision," said Michelle Bennett, a Department of Justice trial attorney.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok...3/obama-sides-wit.html




I may or may not have figured out how to use Napster in my youth. But since I became an adult and matured enough to know that entertainers should be compensated, I have not appreciated the idiots that steal IP. Apparently, Obama agrees.

It also seems that a few of the more rabid Obama supporters are also torrent supporters. Thoughts?
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Thoughts? Well, you're trolling and laying bait, while having blood on your hands...

/you are no better than those you'd like to smear....
 
Pretty weak, unfortunately Obama appointed a couple of RIAA lapdogs to top DoJ positions. I don't have a problem with copyright holders going after downloaders, but the damages they claim are beyond insane.
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
"The remedy of statutory damages for copyright infringement has been the cornerstone of our federal copyright law since 1790, and Congress acted reasonably in crafting the current incarnation of the statutory damages provision," said Michelle Bennett, a Department of Justice trial attorney.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok...3/obama-sides-wit.html




I may or may not have figured out how to use Napster in my youth. But since I became an adult and matured enough to know that entertainers should be compensated, I have not appreciated the idiots that steal IP. Apparently, Obama agrees.

It also seems that a few of the more rabid Obama supporters are also torrent supporters. Thoughts?
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Since when was this a political issue?
I am betting that you are trolling because you made no mention of the rabid Republicans who also are torrent supporters.
Also who died and put you in charge of deciding what is right or wrong...hmmmm

As UberNeuman said -- Thoughts? Well, you're trolling and laying bait, while having blood on your hands...

/you are no better than those you'd like to smear....

 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Pretty weak, unfortunately Obama appointed a couple of RIAA lapdogs to top DoJ positions. I don't have a problem with copyright holders going after downloaders, but the damages they claim are beyond insane.
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pretty much this.
 
This is a JOKE! I steal a CD from Walmart I get a $200 fine. I download a single song they want $150,000? Can we prosecute the government for STEALING OUR TAX MONEY to bail out companies THAT I DON'T EVEN USE? DIDNT FUCKING THINK SO! SO WHO IS STEALING FROM WHO?! Besides that, even with illegal downloading the record labels and their artist are more than compensated from the outrageously priced CD's and download fee's from a "legit" site i.e. iTunes. I'll continue enjoying my 20,000+ "illegally" downloaded tracks thank you very much!
 
Originally posted by: AndroidVageta
This is a JOKE! I steal a CD from Walmart I get a $200 fine. I download a single song they want $150,000? Can we prosecute the government for STEALING OUR TAX MONEY to bail out companies THAT I DON'T EVEN USE? DIDNT FUCKING THINK SO! SO WHO IS STEALING FROM WHO?! Besides that, even with illegal downloading the record labels and their artist are more than compensated from the outrageously priced CD's and download fee's from a "legit" site i.e. iTunes. I'll continue enjoying my 20,000+ "illegally" downloaded tracks thank you very much!
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What I find especially amusing about your post is how you start out relatively calm, then you explode midway through, and then you calm down again. I find this behavior...curious.
 
1) RIAA is winding down their lawsuit campaign...even they know it's futile.

2) Good luck collecting.
 
Originally posted by: AndroidVageta
I think its quite obvious that the government has no Earthly idea what its doing anymore so it needs someone to hold its hand.
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Are you sure it's not you?
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: AndroidVageta
I think its quite obvious that the government has no Earthly idea what its doing anymore so it needs someone to hold its hand.
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Are you sure it's not you?
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I know this isn't what you meant, but I agree, AndroidVageta should be the one to hold the government's hand. Can't be any worse than what we've have/had. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: novasatori
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: AndroidVageta
I think its quite obvious that the government has no Earthly idea what its doing anymore so it needs someone to hold its hand.
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Are you sure it's not you?
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I know this isn't what you meant, but I agree, AndroidVageta should be the one to hold the government's hand. Can't be any worse than what we've have/had. :laugh:
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Yeah right, it's those like AndroidVageta with a bloated sense of entitlement that got us in this problem in the first place.
 
Darn. I guess someone could have been on my guest wireless segment and downloaded a track. I guess the RIAA and/or anyone else will have to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they can identify me as the person that did it.

Either that or we need to re-write all laws to make the person that own property (car, gun, etc.) guilty of crimes committed with their property even if they can be proved nowhere near the crime scene. Someone steals your gun or car and commits a crime..."Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO and do not collect $150,000".
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Darn. I guess someone could have been on my guest wireless segment and downloaded a track. I guess the RIAA and/or anyone else will have to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they can identify me as the person that did it.

Either that or we need to re-write all laws to make the person that own property (car, gun, etc.) guilty of crimes committed with their property even if they can be proved nowhere near the crime scene. Someone steals your gun or car and commits a crime..."Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO and do not collect $150,000".
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They already re-wrote them.

Hell, it's not even Bush's fault - most of that stuff happened under Clinton.

Between DMCA and assorted other copyright enhancements, you're probably fucked.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: novasatori
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: AndroidVageta
I think its quite obvious that the government has no Earthly idea what its doing anymore so it needs someone to hold its hand.
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Are you sure it's not you?
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I know this isn't what you meant, but I agree, AndroidVageta should be the one to hold the government's hand. Can't be any worse than what we've have/had. :laugh:
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Yeah right, it's those like AndroidVageta with a bloated sense of entitlement that got us in this problem in the first place.
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What exactly are you talking about??? I was responding to babylon5's response...making my response legit. The government can't control itself anymore, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING...wait, they do know, they just don't give a damn...if I could leave this country I would, its all fucked up and isn't getting any better and won't...this is the end. We'll see who has a "bloated sense of entitlement" when our government crashes and burns and America get's a name change from another country. Chinmerica? Russica?
 
In Canada the CRIA (Canadian branch of the RIAA) rejected a government proposal to add a $5 free for every internet subscription totaling ~$1 billion a year to be paid to artists (but probably lining the CRIA/RIAA's pocket like what they are doing now in the USA) in exchange for unlimited sharing of copy righted songs for personal use.
 
contrary to what many people believe, artist do not make much money from album sales. The artists make their income from merchandize sales and touring. What you see here are the greedy record labels trying to hold on to the old business model because they are extremely profitable.
 
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
contrary to what many people believe, artist do not make much money from album sales. The artists make their income from merchandize sales and touring. What you see here are the greedy record labels trying to hold on to the old business model because they are extremely profitable.
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Yeah, it's ridiculous how little artists make from album sales. IIRC like 60-70% of the cost of an album goes to the record labels and retailers/distributors. Sound engineers and other people involved in production end up with most of the rest, leaving a few percent for the artist, maybe closer to 5% if they're a big name in the industry and were able to negotiate a favorable contract. It's an inefficient and outdated business model.
 
Topic Summary: Up to $150,000 per track download
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False. It's for distribution, making available, sharing with others not for downloading illegal content for yourself. Find a way to just leech and it doesn't apply.

It's fine with me since I don't do either.

Rhapsody, Napster, Zune - legal unlimited rentals.
iTunes, Amazon, eMusic - DRM free per-song purchases.

There isn't much of an excuse to infringe besides "waaahh I want it free" and "they evil so me can steal"
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
contrary to what many people believe, artist do not make much money from album sales. The artists make their income from merchandize sales and touring. What you see here are the greedy record labels trying to hold on to the old business model because they are extremely profitable.
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Yeah, it's ridiculous how little artists make from album sales. IIRC like 60-70% of the cost of an album goes to the record labels and retailers/distributors. Sound engineers and other people involved in production end up with most of the rest, leaving a few percent for the artist, maybe closer to 5% if they're a big name in the industry and were able to negotiate a favorable contract. It's an inefficient and outdated business model.
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So that's still 5% that you are taking out of their pockets and if what you say is true they can really use that 5%. BTW some of those groups get a lot more than 5%, especially the long established Artists that dictate their own terms or produce their own albums.

 
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