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At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.
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Lol, so why are we discussing something that hasn't even been proposed? Of course Shinseki isn't going to give details about it and just say it's "under consideration", what else is he going to say?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
It would be nice to actually see the details of the plan before the knee-jerk conjecture.

I agree with Tweaker that it is rather far-fetched that the Obama administration would strip veteran benefits.

I will presume that the VA provides medical service and treatment to Vets without question upon diagnosis. IF the medical treatment is for an affliction NOT service related it SHOULD be billed to private insurance IF the private insurance is applicable.

It's not like a private insurance company would never back out of a legitimate claim and scam the US taxpayer, right? :shocked:
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If you read the article what you describe already happens. Vets who visit a VA for injuries or conditions not acquired during service their private insurance gets billed. What the Obama administration is considering is to extend this to service related injuries or conditions as well.
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Prove it.

 
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
It would be nice to actually see the details of the plan before the knee-jerk conjecture.

I agree with Tweaker that it is rather far-fetched that the Obama administration would strip veteran benefits.

I will presume that the VA provides medical service and treatment to Vets without question upon diagnosis. IF the medical treatment is for an affliction NOT service related it SHOULD be billed to private insurance IF the private insurance is applicable.

It's not like a private insurance company would never back out of a legitimate claim and scam the US taxpayer, right? :shocked:
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If you read the article what you describe already happens. Vets who visit a VA for injuries or conditions not acquired during service their private insurance gets billed. What the Obama administration is considering is to extend this to service related injuries or conditions as well.
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Prove it.
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Is this guy lying?

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.
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If so what gives you this impression?

 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.
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Lol, so why are we discussing something that hasn't even been proposed? Of course Shinseki isn't going to give details about it and just say it's "under consideration", what else is he going to say?
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I felt even considering such a plan ridiculous. We had a nth page thread about considerations of Bush in 2001-2003 in the WoT. Is Obama off limits to criticism for plans his administration is considering but havent\didnt implement?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.
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Lol, so why are we discussing something that hasn't even been proposed? Of course Shinseki isn't going to give details about it and just say it's "under consideration", what else is he going to say?
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I felt even considering such a plan ridiculous. We had a nth page thread about considerations of Bush in 2001-2003 in the WoT. Is Obama off limits to criticism for plans his administration is considering but havent\didnt implement?
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Well, we know nothing about the details of this plan at the moment other than speculation so the knee jerk reaction will be obvious. Why would Shinseki consider a plan that would be detrimental to his own veterans unless it was warranted? In addition, their definition of "service-related injuries" may be different than what we're discussing. We don't know enough about it to really comment on it except agree that if it's ALL service-related injuries then it's wrong. I suspect it would be aimed at people who are abusing the system and would hope it won't affect the 99% that legitimately need it.

 
Well, I'm glad to see conservatives have finally joined the rest of us in being outraged by any proposals, or even discussions about proposal aimed at doing anything except increasing veterans health benefits. Especially after the silence these past 8 years, when Veterans suffered at the hands of the Fed Gov. Glad you've all turned around on this one.

Quality Health Insurance at affordable prices for all Americans, next stop.
 
Originally posted by: microbial
Quality Health Insurance at affordable prices for all Americans, next stop.
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. . . and a chicken in every pot, and every man a king.

I thought Huey Long was dead.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.
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Lol, so why are we discussing something that hasn't even been proposed? Of course Shinseki isn't going to give details about it and just say it's "under consideration", what else is he going to say?
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I felt even considering such a plan ridiculous. We had a nth page thread about considerations of Bush in 2001-2003 in the WoT. Is Obama off limits to criticism for plans his administration is considering but havent\didnt implement?
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Well, we know nothing about the details of this plan at the moment other than speculation so the knee jerk reaction will be obvious. Why would Shinseki consider a plan that would be detrimental to his own veterans unless it was warranted? In addition, their definition of "service-related injuries" may be different than what we're discussing. We don't know enough about it to really comment on it except agree that if it's ALL service-related injuries then it's wrong. I suspect it would be aimed at people who are abusing the system and would hope it won't affect the 99% that legitimately need it.
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"Service-related injuries" has a specific definition and is not subject to some arcane distinction. The process of determining "service-related injuries" is prescribed, and it's actually a somewhat liberal determination, from what I've seen. I see nothing in the article which would imply that they are seeking to tighten or change the determination of service-related injuries, only that they are considering charging for the treatment of them, which is reprehensible.

With each day, I see this administration being as good a friend to the military as Presidents Carter and Clinton were.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
The troops don't support Obama; he doesn't support the troops. Payback.
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It's gonna suck when he pisses them off the last time. Aren't most Coupes, Military Coupes. It's one thing to piss of military personell in a 3rd world shithole where you have a core group that you actually pay well to protect you. It's another to do it when all it takes is one guy flying an f-18 on patrol over washington to shoot down AF1 or Marine 1 or lob a sidewinder into the oval office.
 
As long as this country will put much emphasis and care on their troops/veterans, it is not going to be efficient at all.
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: winnar111
The troops don't support Obama; he doesn't support the troops. Payback.
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It's gonna suck when he pisses them off the last time. Aren't most Coupes, Military Coupes. It's one thing to piss of military personell in a 3rd world shithole where you have a core group that you actually pay well to protect you. It's another to do it when all it takes is one guy flying an f-18 on patrol over washington to shoot down AF1 or Marine 1 or lob a sidewinder into the oval office.
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You make two good arguments - one against the military becoming so powerful as to be able to defy the president and threaten him; the other against eating lead paint.
 
Great, now you're arguing over stuff that hasn't even happened yet.

"XYZ is considering ASD. No details available. QWERTY are outraged."

I'm sure a high level gets all kinds of alternative suggestions to a particular problem. Its his job to consider everything...or at least I would hope he would.

I think we've seen enough of what happens when a Government doesn't consider all the alternatives.

S&M
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.
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Lol, so why are we discussing something that hasn't even been proposed? Of course Shinseki isn't going to give details about it and just say it's "under consideration", what else is he going to say?
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Because this seems to be the 'modus operandi' of the Obama admin- have someone in the administration float a 'balloon' like the gps/mileage thingy for highway taxes then enjoy plausable deniability it case it's found to be highly unpopular.

Fern
 
If this goes through, which it probably won't it's a disgrace to the men and women who did their utmost to protect the civilians of their nation.

If it does, Obama is on my shit list of world leaders.
 
It won't happen.

Well, I'm glad to see conservatives have finally joined the rest of us in being outraged by any proposals, or even discussions about proposal aimed at doing anything except increasing veterans health benefits. Especially after the silence these past 8 years, when Veterans suffered at the hands of the Fed Gov. Glad you've all turned around on this one.
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My first thoughts as well seeing the feedback.

So glad some of my more conservative countrymen are emerging from their long mental and moral slumber. Wow, we should elect non Repub presidents more often!
 
Originally posted by: kage69
It won't happen.

Well, I'm glad to see conservatives have finally joined the rest of us in being outraged by any proposals, or even discussions about proposal aimed at doing anything except increasing veterans health benefits. Especially after the silence these past 8 years, when Veterans suffered at the hands of the Fed Gov. Glad you've all turned around on this one.
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My first thoughts as well seeing the feedback.

So glad some of my more conservative countrymen are emerging from their long mental and moral slumber. Wow, we should elect non Repub presidents more often!
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IF it does, will you defend it?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I have heard of cutting costs but this is a real slap in the face.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...h.insurance/index.html

Luckily it appears it wont make it out of congress. But the whole idea they are even considering it is ridiculous.

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.
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I think this proposal needs to more fully explained before eveyone runs off to assumptions.

How are the vets gonna get this 'private insurance'? Will the federal gov pay for it for them?

If so, does this free the vets from traveling to VA hospitals so they can get treatment any where (more convenient)?

How could a vet get HI with a previously existing condition? I understand others (non-military) generally can't, or at least not without paying an exhorbitant amount.

I'm a little doubtful this is some proposal to the effect that "well, you're on own now - run off and get your own HI to cover your service related injuries". Could be, but if so that's ludicrous and I'm shocked that someone would have the bad judgement to even suggest it.

Fern
 
IF it does, will you defend it?
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Absolutely not. But I have a little faith in Obama to not follow in the steps of Cheney and Rumsfeld. Two people who are involved wrt this issue going back to Clinton's terms, not just Walter Reed and troops not getting what they needed in 2003.

I'll save my rancor for the actual act, instead of jumping on the emotional bandwagon of bashing an idea which hasn't been enacted.


I think we've seen enough of what happens when a Government doesn't consider all the alternatives.
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Well said MNS! One of the things that helps me sleep a little better at night is knowing that (finally!) we have a pres who isn't a lazy ideologue, content to stay removed from topic fluency and delegate decision making and responsibility to others.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.
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Lol, so why are we discussing something that hasn't even been proposed? Of course Shinseki isn't going to give details about it and just say it's "under consideration", what else is he going to say?
Click to expand...

I felt even considering such a plan ridiculous. We had a nth page thread about considerations of Bush in 2001-2003 in the WoT. Is Obama off limits to criticism for plans his administration is considering but havent\didnt implement?
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Dont you know, Obama is the Great Black Hope, who can do no wrong and criticizing him makes you either racist or stupid.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.
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Lol, so why are we discussing something that hasn't even been proposed? Of course Shinseki isn't going to give details about it and just say it's "under consideration", what else is he going to say?
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I felt even considering such a plan ridiculous. We had a nth page thread about considerations of Bush in 2001-2003 in the WoT. Is Obama off limits to criticism for plans his administration is considering but havent\didnt implement?
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Dont you know, Obama is the Great Black Hope, who can do no wrong and criticizing him makes you either racist or stupid.
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His proper name is "Black Hoover."
 
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