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Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

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So I ran the policy i had in grad school ( was paying 90/mo in 2007-2009), for 2013 it's $101/mo with $1K deductible.

For 2014/Obama care the cheapest plan for me is $151/mo with $6300 (LOL) deductible. Policy with $1K deductible is $220/mo.

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hmm those prices aren't bad. slightly high but not bad.
 
ohh according to carney NOBODY will lose coverage that they like. its just the insurance company's fucking around and kicking them off.

its not the ACA its insurance angency's

oh and while the president did say "if you like your plan you will keep it" was taken out of context..oops

silly media

This was Valerie Jarret's spin... but everyone forgets: THE ACA FORCED INSURANCE COMPANIES TO CHANGE POLICIES.

The insurance company is no longer allowed to offer your same policy because of ACA mandates.
 
This was Valerie Jarret's spin... but everyone forgets: THE ACA FORCED INSURANCE COMPANIES TO CHANGE POLICIES.

The insurance company is no longer allowed to offer your same policy because of ACA mandates.

This is incorrect also. Companies were free to keep their plans as they were before the ACA and they would be grandfathered in. For a lot of these companies they decided this didn't make economic sense as they couldn't shift other elements of the plan to balance risk differently, etc.

So while there are quite a few reasons why a company may have wanted to change its coverage, and you could definitely make the argument that the ACA was counting on them dying out it in no way, shape, or form required them to make changes that invalidated their 'grandfathered' status.
 
hmm those prices aren't bad. slightly high but not bad.

117% increase is not bad? The $150/mo plan is essentially useless, since to actually be able to use it in-non catastrophic scenario I've gotta pay $6K out of pocket.

My previous plan two doctor visits with $30 copay per year w/o copay AND deductible that i had no problem paying in case I need trauma care.
 
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IF it this is all the insurance company's kicking a estimated 50-70% are cancelled. why wasn't that blocked by the ACA. why force people off working insurance people like onto something that cost far more?


117% increase is not bad?

didn't say the increase was good or bad. I said the final amount wasn't terrible. i have seen far far worse.
 
IF it this is all the insurance company's kicking a estimated 50-70% are cancelled. why wasn't that blocked by the ACA. why force people off working insurance people like onto something that cost far more?




didn't say the increase was good or bad. I said the final amount wasn't terrible. i have seen far far worse.


Oh well yeah, if you have kids and/or need some crazy medical care, sure. But under Obamacare I get less for a lot more money.
 
117% increase is not bad? The $150/mo plan is essentially useless, since to actually be able to use it in-non catastrophic scenario I've gotta pay $6K out of pocket.

My previous plan two doctor visits with $30 copay per year w/o copay AND deductible that i had no problem paying in case I need trauma care.

What exactly did you do? Is your grad school plan located in the same area as your current one? If not, they aren't directly comparable.

You seem to be claiming that one insurance policy hasn't been affected by the ACA at all, but other available ones have.
 
2008:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2443216/

2010:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/dec/18/private-healthcare-lessons-from-sweden

2011:
http://www.thelocal.se/36648/
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/164096/e96455.pdf

More recently:
http://healthblog.ncpa.org/sweden-is-privatizing-health-care/

The healthcare system in Sweden was broken. It is still a mix of public and private but the private health industry in Sweden is growing.

It is a shame no one was able to read the obamacare bill before signing it into law. When you have a one sided balance of power you get pieces of crap pushed through like this. There was so much more that could have been done correctly. As I pointed out earlier... Tennessee has it's own system of affordable healthcare for people with pre-existing conditions and people who could not afford insurance. It was not perfect but this group of people were able to get healthcare paid for by the Tennessee taxpayer and we managed to maintain a balanced budget. Now the ACA is screwing it up for these people. Some day you will admit that the ACA was not a good plan. I don't look forward to hearing that because then it means everything is really screwed up more than it is now.

Wait, so Sweden went from being privatized to now having a 'growing' private component.

Go check and see what percentage of medical funds in Sweden come from the government and then tell me that its privatized.
 
What exactly did you do? Is your grad school plan located in the same area as your current one? If not, they aren't directly comparable.

You seem to be claiming that one insurance policy hasn't been affected by the ACA at all, but other available ones have.

This was in the same location and age. I was in graduate school in 07-09 and was paying for BC/BS Young Adult policy for $90/mo at the time.

You can still get that policy for 2013 (i.e. through the end of this year) for $101/mo. For the next year (2014) you have to get one of the Obamacare plans that are 120% more expensive, as I described in the post above.

Cliffs:
2013 non-obama care plan $101/mo 2 doctor visits after that $1K ded
2014 obamacare plan $150/mo $6.3K ded before coverage
2014 obamacare paln $220/no $1K ded before coverage
 
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http://nypost.com/2013/10/29/docs-resisting-obamacare/

If medicaid is any indication... the government expects doctors to lose money treating patients. At any rate doctors (the ones not contractually obligated) are reluctant to sign on to treat obamacare patients because they have not been told the fee schedule yet. New York has the some of the highest medicare costs in the country and the number of obamacare enrollees signing up for medicare plans in large numbers of private plans... does not bode well for doctors being able to affordably treat patients.

Mind providing some hard data rather than a number of whiny comments from anonymous doctors? How is ACA reducing reimbursement? To what level? For what services? Reducing reimbursement to whom? Specialists, PCPs?

In my experience (anecdotal), you have a lot of middle-aged/older doctors (particularly) who quite simply hate any threat to the status quo.
 
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Obamacare AKA the "ACA" Is a disaster of epic proportions.

I agree.

What do you propose as a solution to our nation's health care problem?

Our health care system was a disaster of epic proportions long before most people had ever heard of Obama.


Why haven't the Republicans stepped up and offered a real solution? Numerous other nations have 100% coverage and spend a much smaller percentage of their GDP on health care. Why haven't the Republicans suggested that we implement something similar to some of those other nation's successful health care systems? Is it possible that the Republicans deserve some blame to for failing to propose a better alternative to Obamacare other than "Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly and quietly?"
 
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Face it, insurance companies bury hidden clauses in their paperwork. You have read every piece of disclaimer that you ha e ever signed off on? You understood every piece of jargon in them? how many people bought hurricane insurance only to be told their damage isnt due to the hurricane but to the flooding incurred when the roof came off?

The free-market morons believe that true, free market health care (no government regulations) would be a panacea. Of course they fail to realize that insurance contracts would be 1000+ pages long written in deceiving legalize and small print with tons of contractual terms that allow them to rescind policies when you need your health insurance.

People would have to hire lawyers to review their policies and then hope that those lawyers are good enough to not be deceived by policies written by the best and brightest contract lawyers at the biggest law firms (whose goal would be to deceive the inexpensive lawyers so that health insurance contracts were really worthless).
 
I agree.

What do you propose as a solution to our nation's health care problem?

Our health care system was a disaster of epic proportions long before most people had ever heard of Obama.


Why haven't the Republicans stepped up and offered a real solution? Numerous other nations have 100% coverage and spend a much smaller percentage of their GDP on health care. Why haven't the Republicans suggested that we implement something similar to some of those other nation's successful health care systems? Is it possible that the Republicans deserve some blame to for failing to propose a better alternative to Obamacare other than "Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly and quietly?"
Because lobbyists own Washington. That is why a system of fucked up insurance is now built upon even more of it. It is a comedicly bad idea. I would love to believe that it will fail so bad it destroys the Washington status quo and ushers in the dawn of a new age free of this plutocracy we live under but I am not holding my breath.
 
Because lobbyists own Washington. That is why a system of fucked up insurance is now built upon even more of it. It is a comedicly bad idea. I would love to believe that it will fail so bad it destroys the Washington status quo and ushers in the dawn of a new age free of this plutocracy we live under but I am not holding my breath.

Watch out what you ask for. The people who are in power would like nothing more than to take care of you, if you trust them.
 
Because lobbyists own Washington. That is why a system of fucked up insurance is now built upon even more of it. It is a comedicly bad idea. I would love to believe that it will fail so bad it destroys the Washington status quo and ushers in the dawn of a new age free of this plutocracy we live under but I am not holding my breath.

I agree lobbyist own washington. As i have said its no more "what can I do for the nation" its "what can i get?" that and party over nation is destroying the nation.

the ACA is good in spirit in reality its a failure. much like many laws lobbyist write it (cpsc is a great example. written by toy manufacters and excluded them) and it protects them.

universal insurance is a great idea. the aca is not the answer though
 
I agree.

What do you propose as a solution to our nation's health care problem?

Our health care system was a disaster of epic proportions long before most people had ever heard of Obama.


Why haven't the Republicans stepped up and offered a real solution? Numerous other nations have 100% coverage and spend a much smaller percentage of their GDP on health care. Why haven't the Republicans suggested that we implement something similar to some of those other nation's successful health care systems? Is it possible that the Republicans deserve some blame to for failing to propose a better alternative to Obamacare other than "Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly and quietly?"

Why haven't the Democrats offered a solution to the problems of health care? Oh yeah, they don't understand it either.
 
One again, the right completely distorts what's happening.

Obama said that you "could keep your policy if you liked it." But the policy referred to was the policy people had on the day the ACA was signed into law. Yes, policies in effect on that date were grandfathered, and people who had those policies are allowed to keep them, as long as those policies were not substantially changed in the years since the law was passed.

What's happened in the past four years is one of four things: 1) People change their insurance carrier. New policy not grandfathered. 2) People changed their policies with the same carrier. Changed policy not grandfathred. 3) The carrier substantially changed the policy. Changed policy not grandfathered. 4) People who never had insurance before signed up for the first time subsequent to the law's passage. New policy not grandfathered.

The "no substantial change" rule was put in place to prevent individuals and carriers from gaming the system. For example, no person was allowed to sign up for very cheap, substandard coverage after the date the ACA was signed into law, because that was one obvious strategy to subvert the mandate.

Righties are all over these threads describing how people can game the system under the ACA rules. Well, the "no substantial change" rule is a countermeasure to prevent one form of skulduggery. And of course, righties are up in arms about this countermeasure. Why should anyone be surprised?

Furthermore. the ACA is a tradeoff, with people who are going to pay more for their coverage to subsidize those who formerly were un- or under-insured. Righties always scream about those paying more. How come they completely ignore those paying less?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-normal-debate-about-obamacare-is-impossible/

Bumping your post, because you are one of the smartest ones on here! Thumbs up on your posts!

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Bumping your post, because you are one of the smartest ones on here! Thumbs up on your posts!

And I'll bump your sig because it's so appropriate.
"What luck for rulers that men do not think"
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The Alzheimer's Association predicts that by 2050, U.S. costs for caring for the dementia population will total $1.2 trillion.

Aren't you glad we kicked that can down the road?

Well we can always appeal to Reid, Boehner and Obama, who have all knowledge.
 
I agree.

What do you propose as a solution to our nation's health care problem?

Our health care system was a disaster of epic proportions long before most people had ever heard of Obama.


Why haven't the Republicans stepped up and offered a real solution? Numerous other nations have 100% coverage and spend a much smaller percentage of their GDP on health care. Why haven't the Republicans suggested that we implement something similar to some of those other nation's successful health care systems? Is it possible that the Republicans deserve some blame to for failing to propose a better alternative to Obamacare other than "Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly and quietly?"

A)Make Lobbying equivalent to bribery (because it is)

B)Hold politicians accountable for bribery.(They lose seat..next! possibly prison)

C)Pass Amendment 28.. (See A + B) It covers that.

You see..The reason for problems is that the insurance lobbyists have been bribing the politicians to vote for rate hikes every year since the 2nd Reagan Congress;and they have been doing so with impunity.

THAT's how to fix healthcare in the US.

Oh yeah and repeal ACA (It will happen)..disband homeland security (it's worthless)
Chicago bombing?Where were they? "patting" down some 90 yr old white woman @ the airport?

stop subsidizing farms and ethanol..

Lower the fuel taxation..40% of fuel taxes go to "earmarked programs" Fuel is is taxed 50 cents or more per gallon.

Diesel was 1/2 the price of gas for 50 years or more..What happened there? Put that back right..
 
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Why haven't the Democrats offered a solution to the problems of health care? Oh yeah, they don't understand it either.

I suspect that the Democrats real solution would be to implement socialized medicine. However, doing that might require constitutional amendments and would be politically unfeasible. Obamacare was as much as they could get. The irony of the Republicans and Tea Partiers' outrage is that Obamacare is actually a Republican plan.
 
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This is just like social security. People freaked out. Now they are afraid they won't get theirs. Obamacare puts new standards for health care in place that protects people from the evils of capitalistic practices in the health care industry. Preexisting condition? You are completely screwed. Got cancer and happen to not have coverage? Your ass, and your entire family just went bankrupt. Obamacare takes a lot of heat but it will end up being a lot better than what we have now, which is basically fend for yourself or kiss your family's future goodbye.
 
I suspect that the Democrats real solution would be to implement socialized medicine. However, doing that might require constitutional amendments and would be politically unfeasible. Obamacare was as much as they could get. The irony of the Republicans and Tea Partiers' outrage is that Obamacare is actually a Republican plan.

Single payer wouldn't require any constitutional amendments. You just remove the age requirement for Medicare.
 
I suspect that the Democrats real solution would be to implement socialized medicine. However, doing that might require constitutional amendments and would be politically unfeasible. Obamacare was as much as they could get. The irony of the Republicans and Tea Partiers' outrage is that Obamacare is actually a Republican plan.

So why the heck hasn't anyone proposed trying to tackle things like that 1.2 trillion dollar upcoming tab for just one disease. When all is said in done it's probably safe to round that up to 2 or maybe 3 trillion and a thousand times that won't get what is needed when time comes near. You don't have to have Obama and Boehner and their ilk running things to begin now, and now is definitely not too soon. Besides all they know is cutting reimbursements as a solution.

New Zealand is looking pretty good right now. Too late for me since I missed the age cutoff, but maybe my kids can get out.
 
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