Obama admin: Detainees do not have Constitutional rights
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frostedflakes
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To be fair, policy on detainees is still under review, so this could be turned around. It's starting to sound like not much will change, though.
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So does this mean we got more Bush in a different wrapper?
More than likely what it means is that when Obama was briefed he was shown all the data we have obtained (terrorist plots, as well as data leading to the capture of the higher-ups) from torturing these Islamic terrorists.
Currently G-bay is near the bottom of my list of concerns; there seem to be legitimate benefits to it at the moment. There is currently no incentive to wrongfully detain a citizen like you or I; there are tons of checks and balances within the military that would have to be scrapped before something like this could occur.
The chances of people like me rising up against the government from within (over frustrations with currently elected officials) are slim; were that many people that T/O'd about it they would gather behind a more conservative/libertarian candidate and elect him before reaching for their guns. So basically, while it's good to keep 1984 in mind when we see what's happening in our government, distopias like that will never happen for the same reason we will never attain to a Utopia. Particularly thanks to personal cam corders on every single cell phone in existence, and 1080P digital recorders (which can take 16+GB SD flash cards) that can be had for $80 on amazon.com. In other words, the dangers of the same abuse of power that occurred under Roman rule with provisions and laws like this is very unlikely to happen; whereas the benefits are currently real and known. Obama likely realized this and has lost interest in shutting G-bay down.
Constitutional Rights are guaranteed only to U.S. citizens. What Bush was doing were human rights violations (in the opinion of some, myself included) which are not the same thing at all.
god you people are dumb. nobody ever thought that constitutional rights would be extended to US prisoners held in other countries. The reason why people argue for constitutional rights in Guantanamo is because the US exerts sovereign control over it, and because the detention there is indefinite.
This is just an example of people who are too ignorant and too stupid to understand the issues trying to make a thread about things they don't understand.
This is just an example of people who are too ignorant and too stupid to understand the issues trying to make a thread about things they don't understand.
Citation needed?
There were a lot of people objecting to the Bush administration's position that detainees have NO rights at all...but I don't recall very many people arguing that they do (or should have) full constitutional protection the same as a US citizen.
You know what else is ironic? The fact that you people are now bashing Obama for (allegedly) taking the same positions you spent 8 years defending Bush for taking. You're basically just being partisan attack dogs at this point, you know that? Obama does something you SHOULD agree with...so you bash him for not being 100% different from Bush. But when he does something you don't agree with, you whine that he's NOT doing things the way Bush would. Do you guys even have a political philosophy any more, or is it just about beating the other team?
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My god you've turned into such a fricken whiner, why? Do you take criticism of Obama's hypocrisy personally? We've endured 6 or 7 years of constant lamentations by you lefties regarding Bush's alleged acts of constitutionally aversive behavior. Your messiah campaigns on change then hopes to be merely twice as fiscally irresponsible as Bush and twice now this week appears to support other behavior you lefties assailed. Buck up pussy, you've got a rough 3 years and 10 months ahead of you.
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