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michal1980

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Conservatives would say the same thing, but for climate change skeptics.

I personally wouldn't want ignorant, stubborn, close-minded, scientifically illiterate people in my administration either. You won't get far that way.

The administration is doing what you just said you would not want.

They are being ignorant, stubborn, and close-minded. They don't want anyone working for them that 'thinks different'. They even use the typical slam of 'climate change deniers' in their statement.

At this point their no different then religious zealot's who cant stand anyone outside their religion.
 
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glenn1

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When it comes to civil servants who aren't political appointees, then political issues should be completely off-limits. Questions of science that are basically proxy political positions are completely immaterial for how civil servants do their jobs.

It's wrong when Democrats imply that people work under them should believe in climate change. Likewise if the GOP held the Presidency right now I would be just as concerned if a cabinet member wanted his/her employees to vouch that life begins at conception (a key article of faith/science in the abortion wars). There should never be "suggestions" that civil servants should feel a particular way, no "hoping they don't work here," and no pressure to confirm with the policy preference of the administration.
 
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fskimospy

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When it comes to civil servants who aren't political appointees, then political issues should be completely off-limits. Questions of science that are basically proxy political positions are completely immaterial for how civil servants do their jobs.

It's wrong when Democrats imply that people work under them should believe in climate change. Likewise if the GOP held the Presidency right now I would be just as concerned if a cabinet member wanted his/her employees to vouch that life begins at conception (a key article of faith/science in the abortion wars). There should never be "suggestions" that civil servants should feel a particular way, no "hoping they don't work here," and no pressure to confirm with the policy preference of the administration.

There is no equivalence between belief in life starting at conception and accepting the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change. If I were running a department it would be my hope as well that my employees would be accepting of science.
 

spacejamz

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This cartoon is a perfect explanation of how liberals want to handle every problem....In a liberal's mind, there are no such things as "cost" as evidenced by the "for nothing" part in the cartoon.

There is no solution other people's money can't handle...until you run out of it that is...
 

thraashman

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There is no equivalence between belief in life starting at conception and accepting the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change. If I were running a department it would be my hope as well that my employees would be accepting of science.

Why are you trying to argue with conservatives who also overwhelmingly believe that creationism should be taught in public school science classes? Arguing science with them is pointless because if they were smart enough to understand and accept science, they'd be smart enough to not be conservatives.
 

fskimospy

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This cartoon is a perfect explanation of how liberals want to handle every problem....In a liberal's mind, there are no such things as "cost" as evidenced by the "for nothing" part in the cartoon.

There is no solution other people's money can't handle...until you run out of it that is...

This post is a perfect example of how conservatives can't process information well.

"for nothing" in the cartoon means "for no reason", not "for no cost".
 

spacejamz

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There is no equivalence between belief in life starting at conception and accepting the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change. If I were running a department it would be my hope as well that my employees would be accepting of science.

But only the science that supports your side, right??? The other science (the one where the data wasn't cherry picked or massaged) is still irrelevant in your mind....
 

fskimospy

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But only the science that supports your side, right??? The other science (the one where the data wasn't cherry picked or massaged) is still irrelevant in your mind....

Nope, all the science. That's why I accept climate change as real, because I don't differentiate between the science that tells me what I want to hear and the science that doesn't. I suggest you do the same.

If you're having trouble reading cartoons correctly though, scientific papers might be a stretch.
 

Jaskalas

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What is this global warming religion?

Who cares if it exists or not? What you going to do about it?

I think "doing something about it" is the point. They need loyal soldiers in their fight against American emissions. Don't need anyone working for the admin who objects to tanking the economy.
 

glenn1

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I think "doing something about it" is the point. They need loyal soldiers in their fight against American emissions. Don't need anyone working for the admin who objects to tanking the economy.

Don't worry, they won't. When it gets down to it, those who are in political power and believe in climate change are cowardly pussies who won't do anything more than a couple of small-ball measures to appease their base. Stuff like funding pointless high-speed rail between California towns of 20,000 people. Or raising MPG standards in a vain hope that people buy fewer SUVs. They'll never actually go ahead with something like a carbon tax or anything that will have a meaningful impact.
 

spacejamz

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Nope, all the science. That's why I accept climate change as real, because I don't differentiate between the science that tells me what I want to hear and the science that doesn't. I suggest you do the same.

If you're having trouble reading cartoons correctly though, scientific papers might be a stretch.

That's hilarious...you view anyone who doesn't see it your way as incorrect. Typical liberal...
 

thraashman

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Don't worry, they won't. When it gets down to it, those who are in political power and believe in climate change are cowardly pussies who won't do anything more than a couple of small-ball measures to appease their base. Stuff like funding pointless high-speed rail between California towns of 20,000 people. Or raising MPG standards in a vain hope that people buy fewer SUVs. They'll never actually go ahead with something like a carbon tax or anything that will have a meaningful impact.

See, here is where there's a disconnect. I don't believe in climate change and neither do most liberals. We are aware of the fact of climate change. Just like most liberals are aware of the fact of evolution. You can only believe in something that isn't already known to be factual. It is however possible to disbelieve something that is provable to be fact, that's called being stupid.
 

glenn1

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See, here is where there's a disconnect. I don't believe in climate change and neither do most liberals. We are aware of the fact of climate change. Just like most liberals are aware of the fact of evolution. You can only believe in something that isn't already known to be factual. It is however possible to disbelieve something that is provable to be fact, that's called being stupid.

Okay then, let me amend my statement. I'm aware that liberals in political power are cowardly pussies who won't do anything more than a couple of small-ball measures regarding climate change to appease their base.

Better?
 

thraashman

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Okay then, let me amend my statement. I'm aware that liberals in political power are cowardly pussies who won't do anything more than a couple of small-ball measures regarding climate change to appease their base.

Better?

That I'll actually agree to and it's a major point of disappointment for people like myself.
 

IronWing

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The Dept of Interior doesn't have the luxury of pretending climate change isn't real. They are dealing with the loss of coast line on the north slope of Alaska right now. Oil wells originally drilled onshore are now in the surf zone.
 

spacejamz

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Is it me or does this cost sound too high? Does this include the cost of moving businesses as well? Does this include the cost of building a new house or something?

"But the cost of relocating just one village — Newtok — could run as high as $130m, according to an estimate by the Army Corps of Engineers. That's more than $350,000 per villager. Multiply that by half a dozen, or several more times, and the cost of protecting indigenous Alaskan villages from climate change soon soars into the billions.

So far, Newtok has received a total of about $12m in state funds over the past four years, according to George Owletuck, a consultant hired by Tom to help with the move. Much of that has already gone, to build a barge landing, a few new homes, and an emergency evacuation centre – in case the village does not manage to move in time."
 

Juddog

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This cartoon is a perfect explanation of how liberals want to handle every problem....In a liberal's mind, there are no such things as "cost" as evidenced by the "for nothing" part in the cartoon.

There is no solution other people's money can't handle...until you run out of it that is...

Yes let's ignore the future of the planet for some dollar bills - sounds like a great idea! That money will come in so handy when the planet isn't livable anymore, amirite?
 

Jaskalas

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Yes let's ignore the future of the planet for some dollar bills - sounds like a great idea! That money will come in so handy when the planet isn't livable anymore, amirite?

Moonbeam needs a new study on human fear centers. He used to think it was predominantly a domain of the Right Wing.
 

spacejamz

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Yes let's ignore the future of the planet for some dollar bills - sounds like a great idea! That money will come in so handy when the planet isn't livable anymore, amirite?

Just treat it like Obama does with our budget and make it our grand kid's and their kid's problem then, right???

Still haven't heard how you guys were gonna get China and India to buy into this...since they probably impact the environment more negatively than everyone else (just by the sheer size of their populations in combination with their lax oversight and policies)