Obama address thread

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Not really listening.. heard it all before.. im thinking if I id hit it or not.. Pelosi... I dunno

There are other forums we'd probably both be happier for you to visit.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Obama is going to cure Cancer! Yeah!

Republicans will point out the job loss for the cancer treatment industry.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Obama is going to cure Cancer! Yeah!

Republicans will point out the job loss for the cancer treatment industry.

A cure for cancer would be great, but it's not really an illness that lends it's way to cures. What I'm hoping for is a solution to make it chronic, with a treatment less damaging that radiation/surgery/chemo.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: spidey07
Here we go - socialized medicine.

Ya don't think we're going to get it here? Wake up, man, socialized medicine is everywhere that civilization has thrived. It's coming here eventually, the conservatives, the insurance companies kicking and screaming. The English saw the writing on the wall about 60 years ago.

A-fucking-men.

 

[OutHouse]

he said he will not let the country that invented the automobile slip away. (paraphrasing)

well first off we didnt invent the automobile.
second: why not we invented the light bulb and not only did the asses on the hill get rid of it they made it contraband


Nancy made me sick. did somebody pinch her ass every 2 min to make her jump out of her chair like that? when bush spoke she looked like a bitch from hell who just ate a lemon. i didnt like Bush but the man was the President. she should respect the damn office no matter what political monkey is in it.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: spidey07
Here we go - socialized medicine.

Ya don't think we're going to get it here? Wake up, man, socialized medicine is everywhere that civilization has thrived. It's coming here eventually, the conservatives, the insurance companies kicking and screaming. The English saw the writing on the wall about 60 years ago.

A-fucking-men.

i used to be against socialized medicine. but now im for it. something needs to be done our sytem is broke and its makeing the average joe broke just to get shit done.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Sorry, Butt Hurt Bush Boyz, but I can't help but be deeply grateful to be led by a literate adult once again. :thumbsup:

without a teleprompter obama is worse at public speaking than bush is.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Balt
I wonder if Pelosi will blink and chew her lip as much as she did during Bush's speeches.

Edit: Nope. In fact, she looks like she's on tranqs.

Heh, you may be right. Boy she looks bad. Completely uncomfortable.

*blink*
*chew*
*wait? what am I supposed to do?*

Just going to add...

*jump out of my chair enthusiastically every time Obama says "children"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Perknose
Sorry, Butt Hurt Bush Boyz, but I can't help but be deeply grateful to be led by a literate adult once again. :thumbsup:

without a teleprompter obama is worse at public speaking than bush is.

Uhh.. no he isn't.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Perknose
Sorry, Butt Hurt Bush Boyz, but I can't help but be deeply grateful to be led by a literate adult once again. :thumbsup:

without a teleprompter obama is worse at public speaking than bush is.

BS... Obama may stumble at times but at least he doesn't sound like a stupid frat boy when he does it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Obama is a very motivating and uplifting speaker...however, eventually he is going to run out of ways to recycle his talking points from the campaign trail.

There is a major disconnect between his vision for America, and the actions that Congress are now taking.

Also, I am starting to hear a subtle shift towards laying more blame on the Bush Administration...he cannot call for America to come together, and not lay blame for the current economic situation, while constantly making references to the economic climate he inherited.

Be a leader and sieze the now...yes, you did inherit a mess Mr. President...but you ran on a campaign of promising to be the one that would clean-up that mess...don't comlain now about the scope or complexity of that task...you wanted it...you got it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Perknose
Sorry, Butt Hurt Bush Boyz, but I can't help but be deeply grateful to be led by a literate adult once again. :thumbsup:

without a teleprompter obama is worse at public speaking than bush is.

BS... Obama may stumble at times but at least he doesn't sound like a stupid frat boy when he does it.

Bush sounding like a stupid Frat Boy would have been an improvement. He sounded more like a regular at some dive watering hole that had a couple too many the night before.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Sorry, Butt Hurt Bush Boyz, but I can't help but be deeply grateful to be led by a literate adult once again. :thumbsup:

Remind me again who invented the automobile, because Obama thinks it was invented in the US.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Perknose
Sorry, Butt Hurt Bush Boyz, but I can't help but be deeply grateful to be led by a literate adult once again. :thumbsup:

Remind me again who invented the automobile, because Obama thinks it was invented in the US.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/auto.html

 

[sciwizam]

AP's Factcheck of the Address

FACT CHECK: Obama's words on home aid ring hollow
Feb 25, 3:15 AM (ET)

By CALVIN WOODWARD and JIM KUHNHENN


WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.

But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.

Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.

The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress - and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.

A look at some of his assertions:

OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values."

THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.

Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

"I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."

Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.

"I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.

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OBAMA: "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."

THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany's Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.

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OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before."

THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.

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OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade."

THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.

Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now.

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OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day."

THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.

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OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."

THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.

Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.

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OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years."

THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.

In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.

If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.

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OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs."

THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.

The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error."

Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus.

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Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Dina Cappiello contributed to this story.

 

[wwswimming]

i watched the Supreme Court walk in to a standing ovation.

all i could take of that was 30 seconds. watching Pelosi applaud herself was like watching
Michael Brown (the FEMA Michael Brown) pat himself on the back for work (not) well done.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: wwswimming
i watched the Supreme Court walk in to a standing ovation.

all i could take of that was 30 seconds.

It was Ruth Bader Ginsburg's coming back from cancer surgery three weeks ago...

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Citrix
second: why not we invented the light bulb and not only did the asses on the hill get rid of it they made it contraband

Uh, we're supporting new and improved light bulbs, just as we're supporting new and improved cars tha use less oil. As technology evolves, so do priorities. Cars are useful.

Nancy made me sick. did somebody pinch her ass every 2 min to make her jump out of her chair like that? when bush spoke she looked like a bitch from hell who just ate a lemon. i didnt like Bush but the man was the President. she should respect the damn office no matter what political monkey is in it.

Her responses were appropriate. She didn't spit on Bush, she didn't refuse to show up for his speech, she didn't jump and interrupt him yelling 'you lying son of a bitch'.

It's Bush that should have respected the office of the presidency, by 1. not stealing an election, 2. not selling out the office to the high bidders over the American people.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Perknose
Sorry, Butt Hurt Bush Boyz, but I can't help but be deeply grateful to be led by a literate adult once again. :thumbsup:

Remind me again who invented the automobile, because Obama thinks it was invented in the US.

The US (Henry Ford, actually) brought the mass-produced automobile (and mass production itself, for better and worse... see Modern Times by Charlie Chaplin) to the world. That should have been what he said. It's what he intended, and not that big a boo boo.

Actually the automobile doesn't exactly have an inventor. It's one of those things that evolved out of existing technologies. There were locomotives, bicycles, engines, long before cars. Lots of people all over were experimenting with contraptions that were prototypes of the modern automobile. Where those things happened isn't very important. They happened lots of places. Arguably, the most significant development was Henry Ford's concept and implementation of the assembly line in his presentation to the mass market of the Model T.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: wwswimming
i watched the Supreme Court walk in to a standing ovation.

all i could take of that was 30 seconds.

It was Ruth Bader Ginsburg's coming back from cancer surgery three weeks ago...

They made the point last night (I watched ABC broadcast TV) that Ginsburg's biopsy revealed she didn't have cancer. It was a "lump." Whatever it was was caught early, and hopefully early enough for an excellent prognosis. Not their exact words, but this is the meaning I got, and I know it sounds contradictory and mysterious. I hope it's true she's OK for a long time to come. I hope she doesn't soon retire. In that court they need someone capable of a big smile that doesn't disappear after a few seconds. She appeared to be the only one last night.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: wwswimming
i watched the Supreme Court walk in to a standing ovation.

all i could take of that was 30 seconds.

It was Ruth Bader Ginsburg's coming back from cancer surgery three weeks ago...

In that court they need someone capable of a big smile that doesn't disappear after a few seconds. She appeared to be the only one last night.

I'm pretty sure that smiling is not one of the most important attributes of a Supreme Court Justice, but yes, it was good to see her back from surgery. Hopefully she is really cancer free.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: wwswimming
i watched the Supreme Court walk in to a standing ovation.

all i could take of that was 30 seconds.

It was Ruth Bader Ginsburg's coming back from cancer surgery three weeks ago...

They made the point last night (I watched ABC broadcast TV) that Ginsburg's biopsy revealed she didn't have cancer. It was a "lump." Whatever it was was caught early, and hopefully early enough for an excellent prognosis. Not their exact words, but this is the meaning I got, and I know it sounds contradictory and mysterious. I hope it's true she's OK for a long time to come. I hope she doesn't soon retire. In that court they need someone capable of a big smile that doesn't disappear after a few seconds. She appeared to be the only one last night.

Thanks for the update with the good news.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Craig234

It's Bush that should have respected the office of the presidency, by not stealing an election

Wow.:disgust:

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: wwswimming
i watched the Supreme Court walk in to a standing ovation.

all i could take of that was 30 seconds.

It was Ruth Bader Ginsburg's coming back from cancer surgery three weeks ago...

In that court they need someone capable of a big smile that doesn't disappear after a few seconds. She appeared to be the only one last night.

I'm pretty sure that smiling is not one of the most important attributes of a Supreme Court Justice, but yes, it was good to see her back from surgery. Hopefully she is really cancer free.

All other things being equal I will take a smiler over a scowler.

"He whose face shows no light will never become a star." - William Blake

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Craig234

It's Bush that should have respected the office of the presidency, by 1. not stealing an election, 2. not selling out the office to the high bidders over the American people.

Sounds like someone's confused. Bush stomped Kerry in 2004.