Obama acknowledges his message didn't get through

[Red Dawn]

This guy really does think we're too stupid to understand.

If he did he'd be correct in your case.

 

[thraashman]

While Obama himself is progressive in his approach to social issues he is very much a centrist when it comes to economic and military governance. You youngsters may not remember but before the internets and cable news the republican party was a big tent party. There were liberal republicans, there were socially liberal republicans as well.

Case in point look at the recently retired supreme court judge...he was appointed by a republican, was considered in his day a right wing addition to the court. What happened was over the decades the republican party-mostly post 80s-started their march to the extremes....

Look at the centrist hero of the republican party.....you know the maverick.....he had to jump so far right to beat Heyward that he no longer resembles his old self..

Back in the day Tip O'neill and Reagan would fight it out ideologically during the day and get hammered together at a bar in the evening...Ever hear the story of the tatoo'd tiger on Tip's ass?

The democrats made a huge mistake in not staying ahead of the outrage over health care. The message has been so deeply ingrained in the populace that its bad no amount of messaging will fix that until people see the tangible results...

Politically if you look at every single piece of legislature to come out of washington in the last two years they all bear the marks and input from conservative senators and house members. In committee many pieces of bills from the HC bill to the stimulus republican ideas and input were there. Remember the death panels ie living wills? Republican idea....

Its hard to fight propaganda......


I have voted both republican and democrat over the last 20 + years since becoming a citizen of this great country. My family has lived the american dream, we came here with nothing and trough hard work and education every single member of my immediate family has prospered.

Can any of you old timers remember the Carter administration? Sadly Obama's presidency is starting to look the same....before you guys start hating on Carter remember he normalized relations with china among other accomplishments...I all fairness I did vote for Reagen that first term because I did believe he had a better agenda than carters but in retrospect I did make a mistake....

Its hard to message when millions are out of work and need someone to blame...

I just can't help but think it amusing that you voted for Reagan when I was 3 months old.

 

[thraashman]

Were these people fucking stupid when they voted for Obama and the Democrats, or did they just turn stupid when they voted in Republicans on Tuesday?

Just trying to figure it out...

They were still stupid then as they were then voting out of outrage and rhetoric instead of actual political stances or plans. I vote the way I do based on actual policy and not the bullshit I hear in political adds or on infotainment news shows.

 

[Double Trouble]

This is pretty much the hubris of elitism in a nutshell. The concept of people not buying into his policies is immediately rejected as impossible. It must be the salesjob, the marketing, the stupidity of the public, something, anything, because the policies were perfect

 

[spidey07]

This is pretty much the hubris of elitism in a nutshell. The concept of people not buying into his policies is immediately rejected as impossible. It must be the salesjob, the marketing, the stupidity of the public, something, anything, because the policies were perfect

He's not hiding it whatsoever. It's what he is, it's what he believes. All dictators have this trait.

 

[Red Dawn]

Were these people fucking stupid when they voted for Obama and the Democrats, or did they just turn stupid when they voted in Republicans on Tuesday?

Just trying to figure it out...

IMO one would have to be extremely stupid to vote for any Ticket that Palin's part of.

 

[IGBT]

your obama is in denial. His message was flat out understood and rejected.

 

[thraashman]

your obama is in denial. His message was flat out understood and rejected.

If it had been understood, then fiscally conservative Democrats like Russ Feingold, who are more fiscally conservative than any Republican, would have gotten re-elected.

 

[nick1985]

If it had been understood, then fiscally conservative Democrats like Russ Feingold, who are more fiscally conservative than any Republican, would have gotten re-elected.

He voted for Obamacare. Obamacare is wildly unpopular.

1+1 = 2

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This is pretty much the hubris of elitism in a nutshell. The concept of people not buying into his policies is immediately rejected as impossible. It must be the salesjob, the marketing, the stupidity of the public, something, anything, because the policies were perfect

The real hubris of Obama's elitism was in full display in that interview with Bryan Williams where he was asked what he thought about growing numbers of people believing he was Muslim and/or foreign born and Obama smiled and replied he was confident the truth would win out. His "elitism" is actually in giving the average person way too much credit in using facts and logic in their decisions instead of propaganda and emotion. Of course, it's not a very smart thing to come out and say that, but hopefully now that he recognizes the mistake he'll stop making it. I expect we'll see a barrage of "I am not a socialist" commercials in 2012 to connect with the (very) average person.

 

[JS80]

Make up your mind. I thought he was the greatest speaker to ever be president.

I blame TOTUS.

 

[werepossum]

The real hubris of Obama's elitism was in full display in that interview with Bryan Williams where he was asked what he thought about growing numbers of people believing he was Muslim and/or foreign born and Obama smiled and replied he was confident the truth would win out. His "elitism" is actually in giving the average person way too much credit in using facts and logic in their decisions instead of propaganda and emotion. Of course, it's not a very smart thing to come out and say that, but hopefully now that he recognizes the mistake he'll stop making it. I expect we'll see a barrage of "I am not a socialist" commercials in 2012 to connect with the (very) average person.

Let's compare that "Everyone is stupid but me" whine with Obama's.

Obama also said he recognizes now that "leadership is not just legislation," and that "it's a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone. And making an argument that people can understand."

Yup, same old whine. It was old when Carter used it, and it ain't gettin' any fresher. You aren't spiritual, you're just high. And you aren't too brilliant to be understood by lesser minds, you're just ideologically driven to do things that don't work and aren't popular.

I blame TOTUS.

LOL!

Personally I expect the Messiah to one day stop in the middle of his speech and say "Hey, I'm as shocked and pissed at this drivel as are you people, but my job is to say whatever the TelePrompter tells me to say."

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Arguments people can understand: Yes we can! Hope and change! Government takeover! Death Panels! Pals around with terrorists! Socialism!

That's about the totality of political arguing that goes on, anything that takes more effort than that and people tune out.

 

[werepossum]

Arguments people can understand: Yes we can! Hope and change! Government takeover! Pals around with terrorists! Socialism!

Yes, those are all arguments people can understand. What progressives never understand is that understanding an argument /= agreeing with that argument. "We are the government and we are experts on every possible human endeavor, so hand over your money and leave it to us" is not at all hard to understand; it's just not popular. When "Change we can believe in" becomes "We are the government and we are experts on every possible human endeavor, so hand over your money and leave it to us", it is not the public's level of understanding that causes a historic shift in Congress, it's the public's level of agreement.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

What you don't seem to understand is that NOT understanding an argument automatically results in disagreeing with it. It's why propaganda doesn't have to put forth a correct argument, just a simple one vs. a more complex one to win. Simple solution > correct solution for the masses.

 

[werepossum]

What you don't seem to understand is that NOT understanding an argument automatically results in disagreeing with it. It's why propaganda doesn't have to put forth a correct argument, just a simple one vs. a more complex one to win. Simple solution > correct solution for the masses.

That assumption is completely wrong, as it requires that those most capable of understanding Obama's lofty and complicated intellectual arguments are statistically those people unable to earn more than minimum wage, should they have any employment at all. Unless you're living in Craigworld where the most intelligent and enlightened individuals are always those utterly incapable of providing for themselves, that argument is going to get you nothing but derision.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

That assumption is completely wrong, as it requires that those most capable of understanding Obama's lofty and complicated intellectual arguments are statistically those people unable to earn more than minimum wage, should they have any employment at all. Unless you're living in Craigworld where the most intelligent and enlightened individuals are always those utterly incapable of providing for themselves, that argument is going to get you nothing but derision.

Those types are the true believers, no amount or type of arguments are going to sway those folks from what they want to believe.

 

[Paul98]

People are stupid as shown everyday from there own words. They believe what they believe and showing them they are wrong doesn't mean a thing. It's a basic lack of understanding and logic that leads people to the conclusions that they do.

Instead of trying to understand and learn many people will simply take there own belief as correct. It doesn't matter how many times and ways you show them that they are wrong. They will cling to there belief and continue to say things that are flat out wrong.

The "debate" over evolution is a perfect example. In the end it always ends up as well I just don't believe this could come from evolution. It has nothing to do with facts, it's just there feeling.

 

[werepossum]

People are stupid as shown everyday from there own words. They believe what they believe and showing them they are wrong doesn't mean a thing. It's a basic lack of understanding and logic that leads people to the conclusions that they do.

Instead of trying to understand and learn many people will simply take there own belief as correct. It doesn't matter how many times and ways you show them that they are wrong. They will cling to there belief and continue to say things that are flat out wrong.

The "debate" over evolution is a perfect example. In the end it always ends up as well I just don't believe this could come from evolution. It has nothing to do with facts, it's just there feeling.

Irony, thigh siren call is herd.

 

[Jhhnn]

Were these people fucking stupid when they voted for Obama and the Democrats, or did they just turn stupid when they voted in Republicans on Tuesday?

Just trying to figure it out...

It's the latter. Right now, the electorate reminds me of a whale that beached itself for some unexplicable reason. Well meaning people drag it back out into deep water, whereupon it just beaches itself again....

That pretty well explains the fascination with the repub song and dance routine. It's a sort of mindlessness, a mental disease, a defective way of thinking engendered by 30 years of rightwing agitprop.

Obama's message didn't get out? Heh. It was just hard to hear it over all the mindless tea party raving and media fawning.

So much for the lie of the "Liberal Media"...

 

[Amused]

It's the latter. Right now, the electorate reminds me of a whale that beached itself for some unexplicable reason. Well meaning people drag it back out into deep water, whereupon it just beaches itself again....

That pretty well explains the fascination with the repub song and dance routine. It's a sort of mindlessness, a mental disease, a defective way of thinking engendered by 30 years of rightwing agitprop.

Obama's message didn't get out? Heh. It was just hard to hear it over all the mindless tea party raving and media fawning.

So much for the lie of the "Liberal Media"...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I got his message. I just didn't like it. I suspect others did as well.

 

[Zebo]

Obama failed because he said it would be end of back room deals and immediately went to the back room paying off banks, insurance, big home builders, pharma, and automakers.

His whole Czar BS does not help.

His ideas about American exceptionalism or non exceptionalism does not help.

 

[spidey07]

Wow! I didn't see this little jewel. He really does think like this. Slipping up a few times I can understand, but this is a consistent message "you're too stupid to understand why my policies are great!" A true believer. This attitude, along with his insistent failed policies, will continue to forge the will of the people against him.

Obama also said he recognizes now that "leadership is not just legislation," and that "it's a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone. And making an argument that people can understand."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Wow! I didn't see this little jewel. He really does think like this. Slipping up a few times I can understand, but this is a consistent message "you're too stupid to understand why my policies are great!"

Whoa, did he really say that?

Well hells bells he did.