Obama accused of undermining marriage by senator.

[Moonbeam]

I wouldn't call anyone PRO abortion, they just feel its their right to decide. I like Bill Clintons view "Abortion should not only be safe and legal, it should be rare."

So many of the anti abortion are also anti sex education anti contraception, anti live after you're born, etc etc etc

 

[TheSiege]

So many of the anti abortion are also anti sex education anti contraception, anti live after you're born, etc etc etc

Both sides send mixed messages. Liberal want to kill fetuses and save criminal. Conservatives want to save fetuses and kill everyone else.

Neither one is right or wrong, its just a difference of opinion when it comes to personal freedoms and rights.

 

[Moonbeam]

Both sides send mixed messages. Liberal want to kill fetuses and save criminal. Conservatives want to save fetuses and kill everyone else.

Neither one is right or wrong, its just a difference of opinion when it comes to personal freedoms and rights.

What you call a difference in opinion I call a difference in reasoning capacity.

The seemingly absolute right of a woman with personhood to her body preempts, for her alone, the seeming absolute right to life of her fetus before it gains legal personhood.

The murder of somebody who deserves to die is murder by the same excuse that murders have when they kill. Both are murders committed with full justification in the eyes of the murderer. All that is required is for a murderer to be prevented from doing it again. Murder is always some kind of revenge.

 

[TheSiege]

What you call a difference in opinion I call a difference in reasoning capacity.

The seemingly absolute right of a woman with personhood to her body preempts, for her alone, the seeming absolute right to life of her fetus before it gains legal personhood.

The murder of somebody who deserves to die is murder by the same excuse that murders have when they kill. Both are murders committed with full justification in the eyes of the murderer. All that is required is for a murderer to be prevented from doing it again. Murder is always some kind of revenge.

Well thats probably one of the reasons why you are so disliked around here, you can't accept the fact that you might be wrong. I am not saying you are, but you need to accept the possibility that you are. Again, though, just difference of opinion.

 

[shadow9d9]

Well thats probably one of the reasons why you are so disliked around here, you can't accept the fact that you might be wrong. I am not saying you are, but you need to accept the possibility that you are. Again, though, just difference of opinion.

"Well thats probably one of the reasons why you are so disliked around here"

Citation?

 

[blankslate]

What is undermining marriage are the asshats who are not ready for marriage getting married then filing for divorce in less than 5 years.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Both sides send mixed messages. Liberal [sic] want to kill fetuses and save criminal. Conservatives want to save fetuses and kill everyone else.

I'm curious, can you provide us with an example of a liberal or two who have actively promoted the killing of fetuses? Or, have even simply stated that they want to kill fetuses?

 

[ivwshane]

I'll just leave this little fact about marriage and divorces; the number one reason cited for divorce is other peoples ability to marry the same sex.

 

[spidey07]

Well, he has instituted many marriage penalties so it's true he is removing incentives to be married. This is one of the founding principles of democrats - destroy marriage so people become more poor and more dependent on government. They've been at it for decades.

 

[ivwshane]

Well, he has instituted many marriage penalties so it's true he is removing incentives to be married. This is one of the founding principles of democrats - destroy marriage so people become more poor and more dependent on government. They've been at it for decades.

I wasn't aware of this. Can you post some examples or links?

 

[alzan]

So you are saying you have absolutely no conception of what marriage is even on the most basic level.

Seems like your probably shouldn't be commenting on what marriage is then huh?

I predict this thread will devolve into the benefits of man-toaster marriage in within 4 pages.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'll just leave this little fact about marriage and divorces; the number one reason cited for divorce is other peoples ability to marry the same sex.

[edit: reform statement] In case the above is meant seriously:

"Researchers have identified the most common reasons people give for their divorces. A recent national survey79 found that the most common reason given for divorce was “lack of commitment” (73% said this was a major reason). Other significant reasons included too much arguing (56%), infidelity (55%), marrying too young (46%), unrealistic expectations (45%), lack of equality in the relationship (44%), lack of preparation for marriage (41%), and abuse (29%). (People often give more than one reason, so the percentages add up to more than 100%.)"



http://www.divorce.usu.edu/files/uploads/Lesson3.pdf

 

[Moonbeam]

Well thats probably one of the reasons why you are so disliked around here, you can't accept the fact that you might be wrong. I am not saying you are, but you need to accept the possibility that you are. Again, though, just difference of opinion.

You mean because nobody can argue against my logic? I am well aware of that. I'm not weeded to my opinion other than on the strength of the logic I see in it. Pursuance me differently.

 

[TheSiege]

I'm curious, can you provide us with an example of a liberal or two who have actively promoted the killing of fetuses? Or, have even simply stated that they want to kill fetuses?

I was exaggerating. Conservatives will say that liberals want to kill fetuses, and liberals will say conservatives care nothing for the living.

 

[TheSiege]

Well, he has instituted many marriage penalties so it's true he is removing incentives to be married. This is one of the founding principles of democrats - destroy marriage so people become more poor and more dependent on government. They've been at it for decades.

Do married people have more money than singles? I mean, within an age range. 25 - 50? I would bet people 25-50 who are single have more money per person than married. But I am assuming here. I think childless people have more money. Not married.

 

[TheSiege]

"Well thats probably one of the reasons why you are so disliked around here"

Citation?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2366628

Post 5, 6, 8, 9, 26 indirectly, 31. I could go on...

 

[ivwshane]

[edit: reform statement] In case the above is meant seriously:

"Researchers have identified the most common reasons people give for their divorces. A recent national survey79 found that the most common reason given for divorce was “lack of commitment” (73% said this was a major reason). Other significant reasons included too much arguing (56%), infidelity (55%), marrying too young (46%), unrealistic expectations (45%), lack of equality in the relationship (44%), lack of preparation for marriage (41%), and abuse (29%). (People often give more than one reason, so the percentages add up to more than 100%.)"



http://www.divorce.usu.edu/files/uploads/Lesson3.pdf

Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm tag in my post. Your post illustrates my sarcastic point perfectly though, not one reason for getting a divorce was because of other people (specifically homosexual couples) being able to get married.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm tag in my post. Your post illustrates my sarcastic point perfectly though, not one reason for getting a divorce was because of other people (specifically homosexual couples) being able to get married.

Initially I took it seriously then realized, nah, this isn't one of the 'usual suspects' saying this. That's why I ended up editing my post to take that into consideration.

Yeah, homosexuals being able to marry has been the law in Canada since summer 2005 and we're all still waiting on that collapse of civilization that a few bigots kept predicting was coming as a result. <shrug>

 

[alzan]

Initially I took it seriously then realized, nah, this isn't one of the 'usual suspects' saying this. That's why I ended up editing my post to take that into consideration.

Yeah, homosexuals being able to marry has been the law in Canada since summer 2005 and we're all still waiting on that collapse of civilization that a few bigots kept predicting was coming as a result. <shrug>

Yeah but Canada never was civilized to begin with.

/obligatory sarcasm

 

[spittledip]

What is undermining marriage are the asshats who are not ready for marriage getting married then filing for divorce in less than 5 years.

Yes, pretty much. Well, I would also add divorces due to lack of reasonable commitment (cheating and forms of abuse are examples of things that would violate reasonable commitment).

 

[alzan]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2366628

Post 5, 6, 8, 9, 26 indirectly, 31. I could go on...

A few posts by the usual suspects in one thread is proof?

Please do go on, it's great comedy.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yeah but Canada never was civilized to begin with.

/obligatory sarcasm

Careful or we will unleash the UN armies that have been massing on the Canada-US border since Clinton was president. :biggrin:

 

[TerryMathews]

You mean because nobody can argue against my logic? I am well aware of that. I'm not weeded to my opinion other than on the strength of the logic I see in it. Pursuance me differently.

Nobody eh? Do I need to dig up the post where I beat you with your own words?

 

[row]

i suppose it depends on how you define marriage. california (my state) voted overwhelmingly for proposition 8 - which essentially was a refusal to redefine the word "marriage" to placate a distinct minority whose use of it was and is nothing more than an attempt to legitimize their sexual preference.

so for those that believe the word marriage is defined by a heterosexual union, berrie is obviously undermining it. don't forget that it was only recently that obama "evolved" on this particular subject.

if it weren't clear and from rereading my post it probably isn't, the "undermining" i was referring to is of the "definition", not to "marriage" as an institution.