Oakland set to become petty crime haven

werepossum

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Oakland is set to stop responding to dozens of types of crimes at midnight when 80 cops are due to be laid off, according to a threat from its police chief.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...s-in-Oakland-Dont-Call-the-Cops-98266509.html

Chief Anthony Batts listed exactly 44 situations that his officers no longer respond to and they include grand theft, burglary, vehicle collision, identity theft and vandalism. He says if you live and Oakland and one of the above happens to you, you need to let police know on-line.

Here's a partial list:

* burglary
* theft
* embezzlement
* grand theft
* grand theft:dog
* identity theft
* false information to peace officer
* required to register as sex or arson offender
* dump waste or offensive matter
* discard appliance with lock
* loud music
* possess forged notes
* pass fictitious check
* obtain money by false voucher
* fraudulent use of access cards
* stolen license plate
* embezzlement by an employee (over $ 400)
* extortion
* attempted extortion
* false personification of other
* injure telephone/ power line
* interfere with power line
* unauthorized cable tv connection
* vandalism
* administer/expose poison to another's
The one that strikes me is poisoning - that seems to be pretty serious. Well, that and Grand Theft: Dog. WTF?

Seems that the police and fire departments are 75% percent of the city's budget and can no longer be spared the ax. Oddly though the hanging point is supposedly the union's demand for a three-year guarantee of no layoffs, and the city is only willing to agree to one year. (The union already made wage concessions to help fund their own pensions with 9% of their salaries.) So if the union doesn't agree to the city's one-year layoff moratorium, then almost a tenth of the force will be laid off tonight.

Traffic and parking enforcement will be unaffected of course.
 

highland145

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Looks like a recipe for John Q. to take the law into his own hands. They will still show up for murder, right?
 

drebo

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This is happening all over California. There are a lot of stupid city administrators around. A city near where I live has a population of under 20k and one building and they employ 4 full time IT people. And when the time for budget cuts came, they laid off policemen instead of the worthless drones in IT. Policemen and teachers should be the last to go. Get rid of administrators and other "fat" first.

Hell, the city I live in doesn't respond to burglery at all anymore, regardless of the time of day.
 

Moonbeam

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Anybody wondering if the folk in Oakland will do as much damage to Oakland as the Bankers did under Bush deregulation to the whole US?
 

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And just two years ago, Oakland had billboards up all over the area recruiting for officers starting @ $70K
 

yllus

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Is it just me, or is this an incredibly inappropriate "negotiation tactic" for the police chief to use? It amounts to threatening his own customers (the citizens who require the police to safeguard them) to pay up or else.
 

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Is it just me, or is this an incredibly inappropriate "negotiation tactic" for the police chief to use? It amounts to threatening his own customers (the citizens who require the police to safeguard them) to pay up or else.

If the police chief is doing the negotiation; it is inappropriate.

If the unions are negotiating with the city; then the police chief is stating the results based on the information provided by his superiors.

Police Chiefs do not normally represent the unions; they are appointed management.

He is told that there will be a budget cut that will reduce the force.
If the force is reduced - what will be the outcome. Priorities will have to be shifted around.

Same thing with a household. If income is reduced cuts have to be made until an additional source of income if located. Those cuts may seem to be unfair; yet they have to be made.
Naybe one car gets put up on blocks; teens cell phones are pulled and the bus has to be used in replacement of the car.
 

yllus

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He is told that there will be a budget cut that will reduce the force.

If the force is reduced - what will be the outcome. Priorities will have to be shifted around.

They're looking to cut 10% of the workforce, not 90%. While I don't have any knowledge about police logistics I sincerely doubt having your staff cut from 800 to 720 means they suddenly no longer have the manpower to respond to two dozen offences.

Some 80 officers were to be let go at midnight last night if a last-minute deal was not reached. That's about ten percent of the work force.
 

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Interesting. Exactly what bank deregulation under Bush are you talking about?

.The financial crisis
Parlaying deregulation into panic
By Paul A. Samuelson
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LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalink.May your children live in interesting times." That was an ancient curse, not a cheerful wish. Wars and revolutions are exciting stories. Peaceful, prudent prosperity is oh-so-dull.

That's the way macroeconomics seemed to evolve between 1980 and 2005, both in America and more widely around the globe. How deceptive.

Inflation allegedly had been tamed at the cost of only two short back-to-back recessions in the 1980-81 period, when Paul Volcker ruled at the Federal Reserve. This was followed by the salubrious Wall Street stock market bubble that Merlin the Magician, in the person of the wily Alan Greenspan, allowed to fester in its happy way.

"After all," Greenspan remembered from his day in the Ayn Rand litter, "if prudent people invest in appreciating stocks or bonds, who are we to second-guess them by lowering permitted margin leveraging or by jacking up Fed interest rates?" Joseph Schumpeter's innovations could be counted on to raise all ships.

The inevitable happened just when George W. Bush captured the presidency in 2000, and when Republican majorities reigned in both houses of Congress. Bush's "compassionate conservatism" translated into compassionate tax giveaways to the plutocrats, along with new deregulating of corporate accounting.

Cynics on Wall Street called it the new age of Harvey Pitt. Pitt was appointed to be chairman of the Securities Exchange Commission precisely because he had been legal counsel to the Big Four accounting firms. Pitt's first speech proclaimed the new day of a "kinder SEC."

Lawyers, accountants and CEO's caught Pitt's innuendo: Reach for that dubious tax-avoidance loophole, and the IRS will not mind. Conceal losses and exaggerate profits by various off-balance-sheet devices that violate strict accounting rules legislated in the years before Bush.

Why rehash this somewhat old hat history?

For one good reason: Today's global bankruptcies and macroeconomic quagmires trace directly to the financial engineering shenanigans that the Bush era officialdom both countenanced and encouraged.

The Bush-Rove version of plutocratic democracy accomplished the singular alchemy of converting a usual plain-vanilla boom-and-bust in housing into an old-fashioned, hard-to-manage, worldwide financial panic.

This time America was the Eve in Eden who tempted Swiss, German and British bankers into eating the evil apple of non-transparency and unconscious gross over-leveraging.

Did Ayn Rand or libertarian Milton Friedman ever anticipate that Adam Smith's marketplace Eden would come to the present disorder? Where were Bank of England Governor Mervyn King and the heads of the European Central Bank and the Bank of Japan while the disasters were unfolding? Just like the usual mediocre CEOs, world leaders never focused on the dangerous winds that were beginning to blow.

If today were 1929, the present financial epidemics would be the prelude to a prolonged worldwide depression. Fortunately, economic history has taught us a lot since then.

Central banks, as Walter Bagehot in the 19th century and Charles Kindleberger in the 20th taught, are primarily the lenders of last resort. As Kipling would put it, "What do they know of money if only money they know?" When stocks and bonds are burning up or freezing down, preoccupation with inflation targeting - Bernanke's initial mantra - is not nearly enough.

Main Streets everywhere on the globe are waiting anxiously to see how governments cope with the whirlwind that excessive deregulation sowed: lost jobs; depleted saving nest eggs; high energy and raw material prices; negative capital gains on homes and diversified portfolios.

Of course, some of these trace to one's own sins of omissions and commissions. Some do arise from supply shocks: from interruptions in Mideast oil drilling, and from inflation of raw materials and foodstuff arising from new Chinese demands for better living standards. But more stem from the faulty social housekeepers who voters, rich and poor, elected to the highest offices in the land.

The old slogan, "It's the economy, stupid," finally penetrated into the White House. On schedule, With the speed of light, President Bush (who had been taught better at Yale) seriously proposed making permanent the rash tax giveaways and deregulations that have brought on today's economic scandals.

Discredited, radical-right supply-siders from President Ronald Reagan's first-term circus came out of retirement to ask again for no taxes on the earnings of capital in favor of reliance for vital government services on flat taxes on wage earners.

When fear of risk stifles both investment and consumption spending, sensible and measured fiscal budgetary spending is the prescription to augment central banks' lowering of interest rates.

What follies electorates perpetrate can be offset in future elections. However, it is a commonplace that today money buys votes legally. Therefore, realists will temper their optimism with guarded caution.

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He is told that there will be a budget cut that will reduce the force.

If the force is reduced - what will be the outcome. Priorities will have to be shifted around.

They're looking to cut 10% of the workforce, not 90%. While I don't have any knowledge about police logistics I sincerely doubt having your staff cut from 800 to 720 means they suddenly no longer have the manpower to respond to two dozen offences.

Some 80 officers were to be let go at midnight last night if a last-minute deal was not reached. That's about ten percent of the work force.

For those listed, most require information to be submitted to the police and the officer will then have to follow up. They are not realtime issues.

Grandtheft is one that I would disagree with.
 

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Isn't it great that they will no longer respond to burglary at midnight? Most of the others are minor (imo) but I would think this one would still be high on the list to investigate.
 

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Wow, Oakland cops pay into their pensions? That's more than I can say for the lazy San Francisco cops!

Weather this is a negotiating tactic by the chief or just a way to gather sympathy, it seems rather stupid to announce something like this. He is basically telling the criminals what they can now get away with!
 

werepossum

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It's pretty clear that the Chief is making a threat to influence the negotiations, just as officials cut things like teachers and cops to drive public opinion toward tax increases. But he has a point. If the cops were at capacity before, then presumably 10% of the crimes will not get coverage OR 10% of crime investigation and enforcement must be cut OR some combination of the two. It arguably makes more sense to drop the least important crimes than to drop some portion of more important crimes. But that he announces this (thereby telling criminals that these crimes will no longer be investigated - not that they really were before) shows that he is playing politics.

This does show our societal collapse though, making such things as burglary or car/motorcycle theft de facto legal activities from which some other third party contracts to protect you. Hopefully the economy will soon come back and protection can be restored.
 

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Anybody wondering if the folk in Oakland will do as much damage to Oakland as the Bankers did under Bush deregulation to the whole US?

You meant in an attempt to peacefully deflate the about-to-burst bubble that Clinton inflated? Oh no, truth hurts.
 

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So I just moved to California, I noticed some things.

First of all, the taxes are outrageously high. The highest I've ever seen or heard of. Now, you'd think that means they'd do something with that money. Let's see what I've observed...

-The worst public transportation that I've ever seen or heard of
-The worst police force that I've ever seen, I've heard of Russia though
-The worst roads that I've ever seen or heard of, and I've been to Mexico 6 times and Africa twice
-The worst DMV that I've ever seen or heard of
-The worst leaders that I've seen in this country
-The worst driving laws that I've ever seen or heard of, to a ridiculous extent
-The most crime that I've ever seen or heard of

I am 99&#37; sure that California doesn't take in all this money so that they can do something with it to try and help people. They take enough money to set up the power to make sure they never have to help anybody. Just a bunch of power-hungry jerks that can sit around all day collecting paychecks.

I also noticed that everybody here is afraid of the government. But, for their lives. I've been told over and over to avoid the government and avoid the police because they kill people and get away with it. And what's on the news? Cops killing people and getting away with it. And there's GANGS? What? I thought we eliminated gangs in the 70's and 80's when people started to carry concealed weapons. But no, no concealed weapons in this state, so there's fucking GANGS. GANGS. Are you kidding me? This place is ridiculous. They have gun laws so that instead of offending criminals with a little bit of doubt or fear you have people afraid of their own government and GANGS. GANGS! ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS WITH THE GANGS?!

GANGS ONLY EXIST IN AREAS WHERE GUNS ARE BANNED. THEY HAVE A MONOPOLY ON POWER WHEN YOU BAN GUNS YOU FUCKING MORONS. California could open a history book to any page and learn a lot.
 
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Jmman

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Haha Oakland, what a shithole.

I was going to say the same thing. Last time I stayed there for a business trip the hotel elevator reeked of urine and after I left someone at the hotel jacked my credit card number and bought $3000 worth of stereo equipment. Needless to say, shithole doesn't even come close to describing that place.....

Where is the massive 9.0 earth quake when you need one........
 

werepossum

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I was going to say the same thing. Last time I stayed there for a business trip the hotel elevator reeked of urine and after I left someone at the hotel jacked my credit card number and bought $3000 worth of stereo equipment. Needless to say, shithole doesn't even come close to describing that place.....

Where is the massive 9.0 earth quake when you need one........
If you're traveling to such places you can get a temporary credit card and cancel it after the trip to avoid this. It would also be worth something like Lifelock if you travel to such places regularly.