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O.K. time for in depth disscution: marijuana legalize or criminalize?

i didn't know until now i got an nt server error when i was posting it and didn't know if ti went thruough so i hit back and did it again guess thats how that happend....so you gonna respond?
 
Legalize
The war on drugs is lost, 2 million in a prison system costing more than medicare which 80% are drug related crimes. It is far cheaper to treat a drug habit than survive all the societal ills it produces. Prohibition didn't work and neither does this.
I'm against drugs for entertainment but since I drink pretty much can't be too pious about it not any more so than I'm against smoking for example.
 
Legalize it, tax the hell out of it and keep users off the roads
and away from children.

Hey Mod! - Give me my head back! (My snazzy new icon has gone
missing from the Anandtech server). 🙁
 
desy you are sooo right

here is an example to back up desy

Colombia south america in the 1990's was overrun by the drug trade. it was estimated that 80% of coke i the US was coming from Colombia.
the man behind the drug trade was named Pablo Escobar and he killed alot of people that stood in his way, well one day he decided to blow up an air plane on which was A person who he wanted dead well that guy died but so did almost a hunderad others four of them americans...

president george bush obviously pissed about the bombing began to fund the Colombian military providing them with training and weapons
they were trained well and in the end several billion dollars had been spent.

this newly trained force was successful in killing Escobar but killing escobar didn't stop the drug trade in fact it made it worse instead of haveing the drug trade stop with escobar it was escalated by several para-military groups operating in colombia and in effect has funded thire terrorist operations.

if the U S hadn't gotten involved and spent millions of dollars many colombians would be alive and they would be able to sleep at night not haveing to think that a well funded communist orginazation is going to bomb thire town to prove a political point.


 
pot smokers:

If people would grow up and realize that they don't need it to survive, we wouldn't have this problem. People who do it for the buz or just for the hell of it are too immature and fukt up to do anything else, so why bother even helping them if they don't want it. Jail their ass. Medical shmedical --invest in pain management classes, or get a prescription for more potent drugs. And don't tell me that it's natural and the drugs aren't. Pot kills brain cells --don't lie to yourself and say that it doesn't. The prescription drugs have no residual effects like killing brain cells. Sorry folks,

<< only losers use drugs. >>



Grow up.
 
I do agree government's intervention aka the War on Drugs has failed horribly. However, don't you think it's a risky scheme to simply legalize drugs overnight? Kids would flock to the stuff. Yeah, yeah I heard pot is easier to obtain than beer. Right, whatever.

The Drug War is lost. Government can't deal with this problem. Our jails are full of pot-criminals who take away nice cozy cell space that murders would surely enjoy. Legalizing the crap might eventually work but would we not run the risk of completely hooking several generations of kids on drugs until things shake out? 🙁
 
FFM -- Nice rant. Too bad it doesn't have any basis in reality. What have you been smoking? :Q

Nobody is forcing or even asking you to smoke pot, but your ignorance on the subject is astounding. What makes you think that prescription canibinol is any more or less harmful than plain old pot? The main way it differs is that it is far less effective in reducing nausea and other side effects of radiation and chemotherapy. I have plenty of friends who have gone through it and had the opportunity to compare both. Canibinol is almost as useless as your uninformed opinion.

I'm won't go on a big preach about its recreational use or what others should do with it. I have smoked pot. I've enjoyed it. So what? Like good wine, good pot is a pleasure, and bad pot is a bore, but I see nothing wrong with it, as long as one assumes the same responsiblities that apply activities such as driving. If you have a problem with that, sonny boy, it is your problem.

Personally, I don't go through any mental or physical withdrawal when it's not around. HOWEVER, you don't know anything about me or about my physical or mental health, so you are in no position to comment in any way about my life or my being. Until you do, please STFU!!! :|
 
Legalize.

When prohibition ended, so did the violence that came with. Secondly, the abuse of alcohol did not increase following it's relegalization, despite the claims of prohibition proponents. Fact: There was no drug abuse problem prior to the criminalization of drugs. Criminalization of drugs did not decrease their use, in fact the use of drugs among all age groups has risen fairly steadily since they were made illegal. The war on some drugs has been used as an excuse to ignore many constitutional rights. Thanks to the WOSD's, the govt. can seize your property without even charging you with a crime. And you have to sue the govt. to get your property back (assuming the govt. has left you enough money to hire a lawyer.) The WOSD's has been used as an excuse to justify all manner of previously illegal searches and search methods.




<< Okay only loser do drugs. >>



Well I agree people who use heroin, crack, coke, meth, etc are. But I disagree about marijuana. I have a job, two certs, pay my bills etc. I lead a productive life and I smoke up. Who the hell are you to judge me? I am not addicted nor has it ruined my life in any way. Sure it kills some braincells... so does alcohol. The effects of it aren't as harsh as alcohol. Alcohol is much more toxic than marijuana, also kills more braincells.



<< Statistically speaking, the U.S. Department of Health reports that alcohol-related deaths total 100,000 annually from all causes, including traffic accidents, liver disease, related violence, falls, etc. They put marijuana and other illegal drug-related fatalities at under 10,000 a year. Tobacco, by the way, is responsible for 450,000 deaths a year, according to the same agency. >>




10,000 a year by all illegal drugs compared to the legal drug alcohol which kills 100,000 a year. The problems of marijuana are different. They're not as severe. You don't have the violent behavior; you don't have the sexual aggression; you don't have the poisoning.

Enough said.
 
roll it up, light it up, smoke it up!

I gues I must be a &quot;loser, non-grown up&quot; that just started a a job with a six figure income hahahahaha.
 
Wow, prescription drugs don't have side effects?
Ever read what all can fsck you up just from the pill? As soon as I have all the kids I want I'm gonna get a vasectomy so my wife doesn't have to expose herself to those side effects. Any drug simple as aspirin or too much coffee has adverse affects on the human body. I saw this big news leader story last night, First time ever grade 5's have access to drugs!! Uhmm my old buddy from school was doing it in grade 6, 25 yrs ago up here in the the sticks. There is a movie coming out thats gonna explode all those myths about soft drugs very soon, can't wait to see it. Basically whole lot of fear mongering going on perpetuated by false statistics and data.
With the Information age more and more of these &quot;truths&quot; are coming unraveled.
 
<< I lead a productive life and I smoke up. >>

I hope you aren't married and don't have children. And I'm glad you're not living anywhere near me. True, you might be and I may never notice you. Until perhaps that one day you freak out and run out in front of my car yelling, &quot;i got killer beez in my backyard man help!!!!!!&quot;.
 
red dawn
Did I force my opinion on anyone? Didn't think so. I stated it. READ next time. &quot;...intolerAnt bastards...&quot; Intolerant to what?? I believe it's not called Intolerance, but COMMON SENSE. But, then again, dopers usually don't use that when they're trippin'.

desy
did I say that prescription drugs don't have side effects? Didn't think so.

Harvey
If you could understand my post, you'd know that I don't agree with using pot for medicinal purposes (or for anything else, either). But, since you jump to conclusions and have to attack anyone who doesn't agree with you, so be it. Ignorance? I have an uncle who is trying to push that sh!t down everyone's throat. I've done my homework. If you think I posted everything I know about pot and the people who use it, you're a fvcking idiot.
What you do on your time is indeed your choice. But it's when you come out into society, interact with people who you can influence. That's when I draw the line. It's the morons who come out talking like pot is the best and it &quot;opens your mind.&quot; Drug addicts do nothing but screw up society. They do not add to society at all; rather on the contrary, they detract from that which can be bettered. Do you ever see someone (when they're stoned out of their mind) make rational decisions or make ethical judgment calls? Hell no. And that's another thing... it's addictive and no one wants to admit it because they're all too freakin' strung out.
I've seen the effects of that damn drug, and it only fvck's up people's lives!!!!! ...including the lives of the people around the doper...
 
Red Dawn,

Who invited you into this thread? If you don't like what I have to say then p!ss off. Go find a nice dark alley to do your drugs. If your dope addiction had anything to do with your current attitude, I'm all for keeping it illegal. The world could sure use less of your attitude!

Hehe, I'm actually a pretty tolerant guy. I only swing at people when they 1) make too much noise, 2) complain about killer beez in their backyards, and 3) make idiotic posts at AnandTech. 😀
 
How else was I to interpret &quot;The prescription drugs have no residual effects like killing brain cells. &quot; ??
Yes drug addicts do screw up society but Oragnized crime, prostitution and Junkies robbing and killing because the price of the drugs are sky high do more damage.
Most prostitutes are such cause the high cost of drugs they are addicted to forces them to get large amounts of cash with not a lot of skills and sets them up for all the other predators out there. I really gotta remember the name of the book by the police officer in Vancouver who is advocating legalizing all drugs. He points out you can treat a herion addict for 50 cents a day with methadone but every time you make a large bust it drives up the street price of herion, simple supply and demand, which in turn creates a new rash of property crimes from junkies stealing to meet that price which leads to people getting killed cause they aren't the best crooks out there and end up going into peoples houses when they are home.
If you think you can stop people from doing drugs just cause you call them idiots you don't know very much about human nature. There is always a small % of the population that are dysfunctional and are going to do wrong no matter what the penalty. All of this isn't new its human nature and told about many times in the bible nothing has changed.
All legalizing it is going to accomplish is to help minimize the damage caused by their reckless abandon, thats it, its not going to save those who are bent on destroying themselves.
 
No I am 22, single and no kids. I do things becuase I like to... I don't give a sh!t what anyone thinks of me.... I take care of my responsibilties, wait no I don't I am too strung out and need a fix right now... OMG the BEEZ... THE BEEZ!!! GET AWAY! Yeah right... I never put weed ahead of my responsibilities... nor ever will I.



<< . They do not add to society at all; rather on the contrary, they detract from that which can be bettered. Do you ever see someone (when they're stoned out of their mind) make rational decisions or make ethical judgment calls? >>



Yeah true. I don't smoke to ponder differential equations or read about Newtonian mechanics. I do it when I am home with friends partying or relaxing. I don't smoke at werk... I do it at home. Whatever. There are always gonna be &quot;self righteous&quot; people who look down on others for what they do on their own time.
 
Jelly,

If you know anyone who has hallucinated that much from weed alone, let me know who their dealer is, cuz they got some really good
s h i t . 😀

Oh yea, Jelly and FFM, what type of music do you listen to? You're going to be hardpressed to find musicians who don't do drugs. I'm not saying there aren't those who are straight, but if you listen to any popular music now, like rap, alternative, hell if you like classic rock or jazz, you have listened to musician who have no doubt performed under the influence of pot or another drug. Did their music have an negative effect on you?

late.


TDP
 
Red Dawn, you come off as a very righteous and angry person. You love to brings things down to a personal level don't you? I've found people who can't argue about ideas often revert to that stance. So be it...you bring yourself down there and enjoy yourself.

Drugs have a harmful affect on neighborhoods. I don't want you or your fellow potheads selling on my street corner. I don't want to be cookin' some bbq chicken (with some bush beans on the side mmm) on my grill in my backyard and smell weed from your patio. I don't want to hear about the imaginary killer beez in your backyard.

People like you interfere with others and you enjoy it. We all have rights. I would hope we could all use common sense, too. Take your weed and your pro-drug stance and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Have a great day! 😀
 
I don't want to be smelling your flatulence from those beans whilst I am smoking up in my backyard staring at &quot;purple&quot; bees. BTW I also go into the suburbs and sell &quot;dope&quot; to 12 years old then shoot them and take their lunch money.
 
FFM -- I didn't jump to any conclusions. I read your post, and I understood your post, and that you &quot;don't agree with using pot for medicinal purposes (or for anything else, either).&quot; That's why I know you're a total moron. I know a number of MD's who routinely perscribe pot for their cancer patients. Why do I suspect they know a lot more than you about the subject? :Q

<< Do you ever see someone (when they're stoned out of their mind) make rational decisions or make ethical judgment calls? >>

Acutally, on pot, yes. I have also seen people who are sober, drunk and stoned do stupid things.

<< And that's another thing... it's addictive and no one wants to admit it because they're all too freakin' strung out. >>

You're welcome to your opinion, but when you make blanket hostile, derogatory statements about people, you show not only your ignorance, but your blatant stupidity. I would say you're as dumb as a rock, except that, unlike you, rocks usually know enough to remain silent on subjects about which they are totally ignorant. If I had to trust the judgment of you or a rock, I'd pick the rock. :|
 
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