NYTimes: Al-Qaeda not behind Bengahzi attacks (video in part to blame)

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Bowfinger

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Honest misunderstanding punctuated by a barrage of insults. Wow.
Remember when I mentioned that many of us have been around P&N long enough that past grievances spill over into other threads? Case in point. While Matt's initial misunderstanding was no big deal, that he doubled down on it after being corrected was over the line. Too many threads have been disrupted by his stubborn refusal to acknowledge simple errors like that. It has become an increasingly common theme.
 
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Remember when I mentioned that many of us have been around P&N long enough that past grievances spill over into other threads? Case in point. While Matt's initial misunderstanding was no big deal, that he doubled down on it after being corrected was over the line. Too many threads have been disrupted by his stubborn refusal to acknowledge simple errors like that. It has become an increasingly common theme.
Insults over minutia appears to be an increasingly common theme as well.
 

Bowfinger

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Insults over minutia appears to be an increasingly common theme as well.
Fair enough. Also, for what it's worth, I don't think Phokus' initial vitriolic response was warranted. I don't know what may have happened in other threads today, but I don't see anything Matt said to Phokus in this thread that justifies it. While I don't have a problem with insults per se, I do believe they should be roughly proportionate to the provocation.
 

compuwiz1

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So, the State Department's admission that the Benghazi attacks were in fact terrorists, seems to expose the NYT article as bullshit and also implicates Hillary as a fucking liar. Nice job! Most of us with any sense already knew that. Hillary is gonna look really funny with tire tracks on her shirt because she got thrown under the bus by Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ups-behind-benghazi-strike/?intcmp=latestnews
 
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boomerang

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So, the State Department's admission that the Benghazi attacks were in fact terrorists, seems to expose the NYT article as bullshit and also implicates Hillary as a fucking liar. Nice job! Most of us with any sense already knew that. Hillary is gonna look really funny with tire tracks on her shirt because she got thrown under the bus by Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ups-behind-benghazi-strike/?intcmp=latestnews

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compuwiz1

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Going full retard? Have at it!

Go shit fire! ;)

Me calling out a bullshit, untruthful, agenda filled article is hardly going full retard. I know the liberals want Benghazi to just go away but it won't. It will be a great tool this year.
 

UberNeuman

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Go shit fire! ;)

Me calling out a bullshit, untruthful, agenda filled article is hardly going full retard. I know the liberals want Benghazi to just go away but it won't. It will be a great tool this year.

No. It won't. However keep pouring petrol over your head, lighting it up, and then sit there punching out the flames when no one cares.....
 

Jhhnn

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Go shit fire! ;)

Me calling out a bullshit, untruthful, agenda filled article is hardly going full retard. I know the liberals want Benghazi to just go away but it won't. It will be a great tool this year.

Yeh, I'm sure that the electorate will give the subject all the attention it deserves, which will be none at all 2 years after the fact. At this point, nobody cares other than the conspiracy theorists, anyway.

Little Benghazi fail boat, disappearing over the horizon. buh-bye!
 

theeedude

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Go shit fire! ;)

Me calling out a bullshit, untruthful, agenda filled article is hardly going full retard. I know the liberals want Benghazi to just go away but it won't. It will be a great tool this year.

OK, you keep Benghazi burning for 3 more years.
 
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Par the course. Just look in the Chris Christie thread: This is the real difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals point out real actual scandals that have smoking gun proof while republicans manufacture this shit up. This is exactly why Republicans have disdain over the scientific process and things like 'climate change' and 'evolution' are considered bullshit to them, but 'creation science' is considered 'truth'. Why think with your brain when you can think with your gut.

It doesn't matter how many facts get in the way of their narrative, idiot fuckers like matt1970 will keep screaming 'benghazi benghazi benghazi' 'till their blue in the face.

The funny thing is, i bet you the GOP leadership has absolutely no intention of prosecuting these 'scandals' because they'd lose badly and have egg on their face, they'd rather that it lingers on in the public perception with Fox News and other rightwing shitheads keep screaming about it all the time. If there were actual evidence like the Chris Christie emails, Obama would have been impeached a long time ago.

So you got no problem with your piece of shit scumbag obama having an innocent man arrested and locked up for making a video? This wouldn't have happened if a bunch of Christians did the same thing.
 

compuwiz1

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OK, you keep Benghazi burning for 3 more years.

I want Hillary held accountable. She never has been. She is guilty of at least perjury. Someone gave a stand down order and I want that person held accountable also. While it might not be important to you, it is to me and to countlesss others, including military members and the parents of those killed in that terrorist attack. There is no conspiracy. We, the public were lied to and facts were covered up, motivated by Obama's relection campaign. How do you not have a problem with that, unless you, yourself are an inherently dishonest person?
 

theeedude

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I want Hillary held accountable. She never has been. She is guilty of at least perjury. Someone gave a stand down order and I want that person held accountable also. While it might not be important to you, it is to me and to countlesss others, including military members and the parents of those killed in that terrorist attack. There is no conspiracy. We, the public were lied to and facts were covered up, motivated by Obama's relection campaign. How do you not have a problem with that, unless you, yourself are an inherently dishonest person?

It's an inherently dishonest attack on Hillary Clinton.
 

werepossum

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Seems to me that both sides are overplaying their hands here. The al Qaeda connection is full of wiggle room. Yes, these groups all have ties to al Qaeda and al Qaeda may well have consulted on the attack, but it clearly was not an al Qaeda attack. The video was used by radical Muslim clerics to whip up an anti-American frenzy, but the video itself was not the cause or even a cause; this attack like the others before it was part of the campaign to make Libya an Islamic theocracy rather than a democracy. Everyone knows this. As to whomever issued the stand-down order, that may well be a blessing in disguise. Clearly we stepped on our collective dick by neither being prepared for the attack we knew was coming nor fleeing the area like our allies. We had, what, a dozen or so troops in position to respond, with no back-up, no heavy weapons, no air support or recce, not even freakin' transport. Standard Islamic terrorist technique is to hit the QFR, hit and run/remotely detonated bomb if it's strong and attempt to overrun it if it's weak. As witnessed by them hitting the reaction force the next morning, they were clearly prepared to execute this technique. As always our Libyan "allies" promptly scattered when fired upon (and that's the best one can hope for, that they merely run rather than joining in the attack.) Had we sent a small force on foot or in civilian vehicles that night, they might well have been massacred. Yes, it's deplorable that the Obama administration lied, but hardly surprising. Does anyone really think Bush didn't pick the most politically favorable scenario when needed, even when his advisers were telling him that's most likely not what happened? Or Clinton before him? I rate them both considerably above Obama in terms of honesty, but this is politics, people. This is not a game where honesty is rewarded, and that's on us voters as much as on the politicians.

I favor on principle always responding, never leaving a man behind, always making the effort. But there are exceptions, times when your side has fucked up so badly or been beaten or out-maneuvered so badly that it's just not practical and you're merely sending more men to die. That's probably the hardest call a commander has to make, to abandon men who are his responsibility, but there are times when it's the only right call. This may have been one of those times. I'd love to know for sure, but since at this point I trust neither side to tell the truth I doubt I'll ever know for sure.
 

compuwiz1

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It's an inherently dishonest attack on Hillary Clinton.

That's bullshit. That woman is as corrupt as one comes, dating clear back to her being fired for lying and unethical behavior during watergate. You can choose to ignore it, but I won't.
 

theeedude

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That's bullshit. That woman is as corrupt as one comes, dating clear back to her being fired for lying and unethical behavior during watergate. You can choose to ignore it, but I won't.

You shouldn't, make sure to keep bringing up Watergate whenever you feel like it.
 

boomerang

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Take the gloves off, hit below the belt politics are going to be the norm now. It's how it's done in the age of Obama. Character assassination has been escalated to a whole new level. It didn't have to be that way but one must fight fire with fire. Hillary is going to have to answer for all the skeletons in her closet and there are a ton of them. But she's not stupid and if she's willing to throw what little scruples she has away, she can pull it off - assuming she gets the nomination. The first Hispanic transgendered lesbian to enter the race will trump her in the eyes of Democrats just like Obama trumped her before.

If nominated, to win the presidency, she just has to convince enough voters (both alive and dead) that she can give them more stuff. Piece of cake.
 

bshole

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Someone gave a stand down order and I want that person held accountable also. While it might not be important to you, it is to me and to countlesss others....

Quite frankly, the rest of the country doesn't give a fuck what a bunch of Tea Party hacks want.
 

surfsatwerk

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Seems to me that both sides are overplaying their hands here. The al Qaeda connection is full of wiggle room. Yes, these groups all have ties to al Qaeda and al Qaeda may well have consulted on the attack, but it clearly was not an al Qaeda attack. The video was used by radical Muslim clerics to whip up an anti-American frenzy, but the video itself was not the cause or even a cause; this attack like the others before it was part of the campaign to make Libya an Islamic theocracy rather than a democracy. Everyone knows this. As to whomever issued the stand-down order, that may well be a blessing in disguise. Clearly we stepped on our collective dick by neither being prepared for the attack we knew was coming nor fleeing the area like our allies. We had, what, a dozen or so troops in position to respond, with no back-up, no heavy weapons, no air support or recce, not even freakin' transport. Standard Islamic terrorist technique is to hit the QFR, hit and run/remotely detonated bomb if it's strong and attempt to overrun it if it's weak. As witnessed by them hitting the reaction force the next morning, they were clearly prepared to execute this technique. As always our Libyan "allies" promptly scattered when fired upon (and that's the best one can hope for, that they merely run rather than joining in the attack.) Had we sent a small force on foot or in civilian vehicles that night, they might well have been massacred. Yes, it's deplorable that the Obama administration lied, but hardly surprising. Does anyone really think Bush didn't pick the most politically favorable scenario when needed, even when his advisers were telling him that's most likely not what happened? Or Clinton before him? I rate them both considerably above Obama in terms of honesty, but this is politics, people. This is not a game where honesty is rewarded, and that's on us voters as much as on the politicians.

I favor on principle always responding, never leaving a man behind, always making the effort. But there are exceptions, times when your side has fucked up so badly or been beaten or out-maneuvered so badly that it's just not practical and you're merely sending more men to die. That's probably the hardest call a commander has to make, to abandon men who are his responsibility, but there are times when it's the only right call. This may have been one of those times. I'd love to know for sure, but since at this point I trust neither side to tell the truth I doubt I'll ever know for sure.

For what it's worth I read your post and agree with it.
 

theeedude

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Take the gloves off, hit below the belt politics are going to be the norm now. It's how it's done in the age of Obama. Character assassination has been escalated to a whole new level. It didn't have to be that way but one must fight fire with fire. Hillary is going to have to answer for all the skeletons in her closet and there are a ton of them. But she's not stupid and if she's willing to throw what little scruples she has away, she can pull it off - assuming she gets the nomination. The first Hispanic transgendered lesbian to enter the race will trump her in the eyes of Democrats just like Obama trumped her before.

If nominated, to win the presidency, she just has to convince enough voters (both alive and dead) that she can give them more stuff. Piece of cake.

Answer to whom? You? Most Americans don't care about your little right-wing conspiracy theories, and the ones who do won't vote for her anyways. Nor does she need their votes to win anything. If I were you I'd worry more about who the Republicans nominate. The only guy who was out-polling Hillary just jumped off the George Washington Bridge.
 

werepossum

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I think you mean Whitewater...not Watergate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy
Nope. Hillary worked for the Democrat chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, Jerry Zeifman, as they prepared the case to impeach Nixon. Zeifman fired Clinton, supposedly for erroneous legal opinions (she was the originator of the theory that Nixon should be allowed no legal counsel) and unethical practices in violation of House rules. The one I recall is repeatedly coordinating with Ted Kennedy's chief political strategist, even after being repeatedly told this was against House rules, but supposedly there was a whole mess of unethical practices. However, all we really know was that she was fired. No charges were brought and no unethical practices reported to the bar at the time, so to what degree (if any) this was later exaggerated is anybody's guess.
 

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Go shit fire! ;)

Me calling out a bullshit, untruthful, agenda filled article is hardly going full retard. I know the liberals want Benghazi to just go away but it won't. It will be a great tool this year.

lol.

Benghazi is so over it's not even on the radar of 80% of voters. That's a reality you'll have to come to grips with someday, especially when Repubs fail to do anything substantive in Nov. 2014.