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NYT Staff Editorial: "We kept wondering what on earth John McCain was thinking."

jpeyton

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Is this why McCain's campaign tried so hard to keep her out of the interviewees's chair? In her first big interview since accepting the nomination, her scripted answers illustrated her paper-thin knowledge of foreign policy. It should honestly scare Americans when they hear this newly minted Governor threaten war with Russia over Georgia and repeatedly tout her ability "not to blink" when making life/death decisions.

I want my president to blink, and consider the short/long term consequences of their decision. I don't want any more gung-ho foreign policy blunders like Iraq, especially with a major nuclear power like Russia.

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Gov. Palin?s Worldview

As we watched Sarah Palin on TV the last couple of days, we kept wondering what on earth John McCain was thinking.

If he seriously thought this first-term governor ? with less than two years in office ? was qualified to be president, if necessary, at such a dangerous time, it raises profound questions about his judgment. If the choice was, as we suspect, a tactical move, then it was shockingly irresponsible.

It was bad enough that Ms. Palin?s performance in the first televised interviews she has done since she joined the Republican ticket was so visibly scripted and lacking in awareness.

What made it so much worse is the strategy for which the Republicans have made Ms. Palin the frontwoman: win the White House not on ideas, but by denigrating experience, judgment and qualifications.

The idea that Americans want leaders who have none of those things ? who are so blindly certain of what Ms. Palin calls ?the mission? that they won?t even pause for reflection ? shows a contempt for voters and raises frightening questions about how Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin plan to run this country.

One of the many bizarre moments in the questioning by ABC News?s Charles Gibson was when Ms. Palin, the governor of Alaska, excused her lack of international experience by sneering that Americans don?t want ?somebody?s big fat résumé maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment where, yes, they?ve had opportunities to meet heads of state.?

We know we were all supposed to think of Joe Biden. But it sure sounded like a good description of Mr. McCain. Those decades of experience earned the Arizona senator the admiration of people in both parties. They are why he was our preferred candidate in the Republican primaries.

The interviews made clear why Americans should worry about Ms. Palin?s thin résumé and lack of experience. Consider her befuddlement when Mr. Gibson referred to President Bush?s ?doctrine? and her remark about having insight into Russia because she can see it from her state.

But that is not what troubled us most about her remarks ? and, remember, if they were scripted, that just means that they reflect Mr. McCain?s views all the more closely. Rather, it was the sense that thoughtfulness, knowledge and experience are handicaps for a president in a world populated by Al Qaeda terrorists, a rising China, epidemics of AIDS, poverty and fratricidal war in the developing world and deep economic distress at home.

Ms. Palin talked repeatedly about never blinking. When Mr. McCain asked her to run for vice president? ?You have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission,? she said, that ?you can?t blink.?

Fighting terrorism? ?We must do whatever it takes, and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and even who we target.?

Her answers about why she had told her church that President Bush?s failed policy in Iraq was ?God?s plan? did nothing to dispel our concerns about her confusion between faith and policy. Her claim that she was quoting a completely unrelated comment by Lincoln was absurd.

This nation has suffered through eight years of an ill-prepared and unblinkingly obstinate president. One who didn?t pause to think before he started a disastrous war of choice in Iraq. One who blithely looked the other way as the Taliban and Al Qaeda regrouped in Afghanistan. One who obstinately cut taxes and undercut all efforts at regulation, unleashing today?s profound economic crisis.

In a dangerous world, Americans need a president who knows that real strength requires serious thought and preparation.
Que the Palin Defense Force with accusations that the NYT Editorial Board are liberal hacks in 3...2...1...
 
Are you saying the NYT editorial staff DOESN'T have a liberal stance? Or are you trying to preempt the legitimate claim that the staff is bias by pointing that out beforehand?
 
Meh, the interviews are pretty much a big nothing.

If you liked her before, you still do.

If you didn't, you still don't.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: nick1985

NYT attacking McCain...gee im shocked

Neocon apologist liars like ntdz and Nick in full denial mode without being able to refute any of the specific points they made... Gee, I'm NOT shocked, but I'm sure more of them will chime in. :roll:

Refute the truth of what they said with facts, or go home and practice until you can. :laugh:
 
Hmmm, NYT v. Washington Post. Let's see which liberal paper gives the most credible account.

The New York Times:

Consider her befuddlement when Mr. Gibson referred to President Bush?s ?doctrine?

The front page of the Washington Post Many Versions of "Bush Doctrine":

Many Versions of 'Bush Doctrine'
Palin's Confusion in Interview Understandable, Experts Say

By Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 13, 2008; A01

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin seemed puzzled Thursday when ABC News anchor Charles Gibson asked her whether she agrees with the "Bush doctrine."

"In what respect, Charlie?" she replied.

Intentionally or not, the Republican vice presidential nominee was on to something. After a brief exchange, Gibson explained that he was referring to the idea -- enshrined in a September 2002 White House strategy document -- that the United States may act militarily to counter a perceived threat emerging in another country. But that is just one version of a purported Bush doctrine advanced over the past eight years.

Peter D. Feaver, who worked on the Bush national security strategy as a staff member on the National Security Council, said he has counted as many as seven distinct Bush doctrines. They include the president's second-term "freedom agenda"; the notion that states that harbor terrorists should be treated no differently than terrorists themselves; the willingness to use a "coalition of the willing" if the United Nations does not address threats; and the one Gibson was talking about -- the doctrine of preemptive war.

"If you were given a quiz, you might guess that one, because it's one that many people associate with the Bush doctrine," said Feaver, now a Duke University professor. "But in fact it's not the only one."

This debate may ordinarily be little more than cocktail chatter for the foreign policy establishment, but political blogs were buzzing yesterday over Palin's entire interview with Gibson, including the confusion about the doctrine. Liberals said it was yet another case of Palin's thin grasp on foreign policy, while conservatives replied that she handled herself well by putting the question back on Gibson.

After she asked Gibson to clarify what he meant, the anchor pressed Palin on whether the United States has "a right to make a preemptive strike against another country if we feel that country might strike us."

"Charlie," Palin replied, "if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."

The campaign of Democratic Sen. Barack Obama directed reporters to online commentary about the exchange. "What Sarah Palin revealed is that she has not been interested enough in world affairs to become minimally conversant with the issues," journalist James Fallows wrote on TheAtlantic.com. "Many people in our great land might have difficulty defining the 'Bush Doctrine' exactly. But not to recognize the name, as obviously was the case for Palin, indicates not a failure of last-minute cramming but a lack of attention to any foreign-policy discussion whatsoever in the last seven years."

Conservatives ridiculed such reasoning. "What a bunch of nonsense," Andrew C. McCarthy wrote on National Review Online. "Peanut gallery denizens like me, who don't have states to run and who follow this stuff very closely, disagree intensely among ourselves about what the Bush Doctrine is."

Outside foreign policy experts offered different reads on the question. Richard C. Holbrooke, who served key posts in both the Clinton and Carter administrations, said he saw the 2002 National Security Strategy of the White House as the critical statement of a Bush doctrine. (The White House staff member who helped draft the 2002 document, Stephen E. Biegun, now serves as Palin's foreign policy adviser.)

The strategy document itself articulates the principle as follows: "The greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction -- and the more compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack. To forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our adversaries, the United States will, if necessary, act preemptively."

According to Holbrooke, "the core point is that the Bush people were extremely proud of it and they presented it as a historical breakthrough."

But one of the drafters of that document demurred at investing the statement with too much weight. "I actually never thought there was a Bush doctrine," said Philip D. Zelikow, who later served as State Department counselor under Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. "Indeed, I believe the assertion that there is such a doctrine lends greater coherence to the administration's policies than they deserve."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, said he thought there was no "single piece of paper" that represents the Bush doctrine, but said several ideas collectively make up the doctrine, including the endorsement of preventive war and the idea that there is such a thing as a "war on terror."

"There are many elements to the Bush doctrine," he said.

In an interview, Bush press secretary Dana Perino said that "the Bush doctrine is commonly used to describe key elements of the president's overall strategy for dealing with threats from terrorists." She laid out three elements:

"The United States makes no distinction between those who commit acts of terror and those who support and harbor terrorists. . . . We will confront grave threats before they fully materialize and will fight the terrorists abroad so we don't have to face them at home. . . . We will counter the hateful ideology of the terrorist by promoting the hopeful alternative of human freedom."

Bush, she added, "is comfortable with the way I just described it."
 
Originally posted by: Woofmeister
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well consider the fact that Gibson had asked McCain the exact same question earlier THIS YEAR.

Gibson explained to McCain, at the time, what his interpretation of the Bush Doctrine is.

Maybe Gibson erroneously assumed McCain and his camp would have coached Palin using the same definition of the Bush Doctrine that Gibson had used before with McCain?

Maybe McCain's camp didnt do a good enough job researching and preparing for this interview?

I know if I was on McCains camp, the first thing I would have done was review the GOP Primary Debates that Gibson co-hosted earlier this year. The same debate where Gibson asked this question before. Do you think that might have been a good place to start?

So really...does it matter if some people believe the Bush Doctrine means different things to different McCain sympathizers? it doesn't.

Gibson and McCain knew what the definition of Bush Doctrine is. Unfortunately, it seems, no one decided to let Palin know.


 
Originally posted by: Thump553
You notice how many times she said Charlie in that interview? That is a sure sign of over-coaching.

Either that or she just had no respect for the guy, totally understandable IMHO
 
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Thump553
You notice how many times she said Charlie in that interview? That is a sure sign of over-coaching.

Either that or she just had no respect for the guy, totally understandable IMHO
I bet if he was a fellow Snake Charmer she probably would have broken out in tongues.
 
Harvey,

I don't see:

Neocon apologist liars like ntdz and Nick in full denial mode
, I see you and the other liberal crazies feeling the sure win slipping out of your fingers. Just like your crazy predictions of the recount in 2000.

Personally, I can't see how Obama can lose this election. Then I remember it is people like you backing him and I can see why.

I'm still predicting that Obama will win this time around, but it gives me great pleasure to see you and your cronies squirming and worrying.

Michael

 
I supported Hillary now I am supporting Obama.

But why doesn't the New York Times just name themselves The Obama Times? Everyone knows they are in the tank for him anyways.
 
Originally posted by: Fern
Meh, the interviews are pretty much a big nothing.

If you liked her before, you still do.

If you didn't, you still don't.

Fern
And the undecideds?
 
Wait, one of the most troubling aspect of the Palin interviews to the NYT was that she "was mixing religion and politics", all of which they base on taking her quote out of context?

The Youtube clip of what she said is out there-- if the NYT had bothered watching it for themselves and combined that with a 7th grade knowledge of English they could see that their interpretation of what she said was totatally wrong.
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: nick1985
...
Were the charges made in the editorial incorrect? If yes, what was incorrect about them?
Asking Nick those kind of questions may make his head hurt.

Hey grandpa, whats up?
Not much. Can you tell us what you thoughtt was incorrect about those charges made in that editorial?
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: nick1985
...
Were the charges made in the editorial incorrect? If yes, what was incorrect about them?
Asking Nick those kind of questions may make his head hurt.

Hey grandpa, whats up?
Not much. Can you tell us what you thoughtt was incorrect about those charges made in that editorial?

Ironic that they are questioning her experience...when Obama isnt exactly experienced either and hes at the top of the ticket.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Fern
Meh, the interviews are pretty much a big nothing.

If you liked her before, you still do.

If you didn't, you still don't.

Fern
And the undecideds?

From the articles about her polling with undecideds, there are those who got a favorable opinion of her at the RNC (including the tsunami of articles afterward), and those who didn't.

I haven't seen anything yet demonstrating that the Charles Gibson interview has had any significant impact.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
Trivia question for the liberals: When was the last time the New York times endorsed a Republican for President?

When was the last time NYT was relevant?
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: nick1985
...
Were the charges made in the editorial incorrect? If yes, what was incorrect about them?
Asking Nick those kind of questions may make his head hurt.

Hey grandpa, whats up?
Not much. Can you tell us what you thoughtt was incorrect about those charges made in that editorial?

Ironic that they are questioning her experience...when Obama isnt exactly experienced either and hes at the top of the ticket.
OK, so what was incorrect about the charges made in the editorial?

 
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