NYT: GOP Uses Smoke & Mirrors To Blame Deficit On Obama

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There are two basic truths about the enormous deficits that the federal government will run in the coming years.

The first is that President Obama?s agenda, ambitious as it may be, is responsible for only a sliver of the deficits, despite what many of his Republican critics are saying. The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit, despite what his advisers have suggested.

The New York Times analyzed Congressional Budget Office reports going back almost a decade, with the aim of understanding how the federal government came to be far deeper in debt than it has been since the years just after World War II. This debt will constrain the country?s choices for years and could end up doing serious economic damage if foreign lenders become unwilling to finance it.

Mr. Obama ? responding to recent signs of skittishness among those lenders ? met with 40 members of Congress at the White House on Tuesday and called for the re-enactment of pay-as-you-go rules, requiring Congress to pay for any new programs it passes.

The story of today?s deficits starts in January 2001, as President Bill Clinton was leaving office. The Congressional Budget Office estimated then that the government would run an average annual surplus of more than $800 billion a year from 2009 to 2012. Today, the government is expected to run a $1.2 trillion annual deficit in those years.

You can think of that roughly $2 trillion swing as coming from four broad categories: the business cycle, President George W. Bush?s policies, policies from the Bush years that are scheduled to expire but that Mr. Obama has chosen to extend, and new policies proposed by Mr. Obama.

The first category ? the business cycle ? accounts for 37 percent of the $2 trillion swing. It?s a reflection of the fact that both the 2001 recession and the current one reduced tax revenue, required more spending on safety-net programs and changed economists? assumptions about how much in taxes the government would collect in future years.

About 33 percent of the swing stems from new legislation signed by Mr. Bush. That legislation, like his tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit, not only continue to cost the government but have also increased interest payments on the national debt.

Mr. Obama?s main contribution to the deficit is his extension of several Bush policies, like the Iraq war and tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. Such policies ? together with the Wall Street bailout, which was signed by Mr. Bush and supported by Mr. Obama ? account for 20 percent of the swing.

About 7 percent comes from the stimulus bill that Mr. Obama signed in February. And only 3 percent comes from Mr. Obama?s agenda on health care, education, energy and other areas.

If the analysis is extended further into the future, well beyond 2012, the Obama agenda accounts for only a slightly higher share of the projected deficits.


How can that be? Some of his proposals, like a plan to put a price on carbon emissions, don?t cost the government any money. Others would be partly offset by proposed tax increases on the affluent and spending cuts. Congressional and White House aides agree that no large new programs, like an expansion of health insurance, are likely to pass unless they are paid for.

Alan Auerbach, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, and an author of a widely cited study on the dangers of the current deficits, describes the situation like so: ?Bush behaved incredibly irresponsibly for eight years. On the one hand, it might seem unfair for people to blame Obama for not fixing it. On the other hand, he?s not fixing it.?

?And,? he added, ?not fixing it is, in a sense, making it worse.?

When challenged about the deficit, Mr. Obama and his advisers generally start talking about health care. ?There is no way you can put the nation on a sound fiscal course without wringing inefficiencies out of health care,? Peter Orszag, the White House budget director, told me.

Outside economists agree. The Medicare budget really is the linchpin of deficit reduction. But there are two problems with leaving the discussion there.

First, even if a health overhaul does pass, it may not include the tough measures needed to bring down spending. Ultimately, the only way to do so is to take money from doctors, drug makers and insurers, and it isn?t clear whether Mr. Obama and Congress have the stomach for that fight. So far, they have focused on ideas like preventive care that would do little to cut costs.

Second, even serious health care reform won?t be enough. Obama advisers acknowledge as much. They say that changes to the system would probably have a big effect on health spending starting in five or 10 years. The national debt, however, will grow dangerously large much sooner.

Mr. Orszag says the president is committed to a deficit equal to no more than 3 percent of gross domestic product within five to 10 years. The Congressional Budget Office projects a deficit of at least 4 percent for most of the next decade. Even that may turn out to be optimistic, since the government usually ends up spending more than it says it will. So Mr. Obama isn?t on course to meet his target.

But Congressional Republicans aren?t, either. Judd Gregg recently held up a chart on the Senate floor showing that Mr. Obama would increase the deficit ? but failed to mention that much of the increase stemmed from extending Bush policies. In fact, unlike Mr. Obama, Republicans favor extending all the Bush tax cuts, which will send the deficit higher.

Republican leaders in the House, meanwhile, announced a plan last week to cut spending by $75 billion a year. But they made specific suggestions adding up to meager $5 billion. The remaining $70 billion was left vague. ?The G.O.P. is not serious about cutting down spending,? the conservative Cato Institute concluded.

What, then, will happen?

?Things will get worse gradually,? Mr. Auerbach predicts, ?unless they get worse quickly.? Either a solution will be put off, or foreign lenders, spooked by the rising debt, will send interest rates higher and create a crisis.

The solution, though, is no mystery. It will involve some combination of tax increases and spending cuts. And it won?t be limited to pay-as-you-go rules, tax increases on somebody else, or a crackdown on waste, fraud and abuse. Your taxes will probably go up, and some government programs you favor will become less generous.

That is the legacy of our trillion-dollar deficits. Erasing them will be one of the great political issues of the coming decade.
There you have it. In the simplest possible English, our current deficit can be attributed to the following:

37% is due to the failing economy (whether you blame that on Bush's two terms is up to you)
33% is due to legislation Bush passed (Medicare prescription drug benefits, tax cuts for the wealthy)
20% is due to legislation Bush passed and Obama continues to support (two wars, middle class tax cuts, Wall Street bailout)
7% is due to Obama's stimulus bill signed in February
3% is due to Obama's policies on health care, education, energy, etc.

It's very interesting how merely 6 months into Obama's presidency, the GOP is trying to white wash Bush's massive deficits from the history books and blame it all on Obama. The GOP seems to think that every new president gets a clean slate to start from, with zero deficits or debt from their predecessor; it's a nice fairy tale to tell angst-ridden conservatives, but has no basis in reality whatsoever.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
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The first is that President Obama?s agenda, ambitious as it may be, is responsible for only a sliver of the deficits, despite what many of his Republican critics are saying. The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit, despite what his advisers have suggested.



Sounds about right.
 

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The first is that President Obama?s agenda, ambitious as it may be, is responsible for only a sliver of the deficits, despite what many of his Republican critics are saying. The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit, despite what his advisers have suggested.
Sounds about right.
Yes it does.
 

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Thanks, but it's interesting how you call out the GOP for smoke and mirrors and make no mention of this in the same article:

The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit,
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Thanks, but it's interesting how you call out the GOP for smoke and mirrors and make no mention of this in the same article:

The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit,
Reducing it, yes. Eliminating it, no.

By the numbers, Bush fucked this country big time, and eliminating his deficits might take more than 8 years.

It's a tough job, but keep voting Democrat and we'll get there eventually.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Thanks, but it's interesting how you call out the GOP for smoke and mirrors and make no mention of this in the same article:

The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit,
Reducing it, yes. Eliminating it, no.

By the numbers, Bush fucked this country big time, and eliminating his deficits might take more than 8 years.

It's a tough job, but keep voting Democrat and we'll get there eventually.

lmao at anybody who believes with the current situation before we even tackle healthcare reform deficits are going to be eliminated in the next decade.

Reducing the deficit after quadrupling it is like winning the special olympics. It is still retarded.

I can already see the 2012 campaign slogan. "We cant fix Bush's fuckup in 4 years, please let us continue driving us off the cliff"
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Thanks, but it's interesting how you call out the GOP for smoke and mirrors and make no mention of this in the same article:

The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit,
Reducing it, yes. Eliminating it, no.

By the numbers, Bush fucked this country big time, and eliminating his deficits might take more than 8 years.

It's a tough job, but keep voting Democrat and we'll get there eventually.

Looney tunes ;-)
 

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No big surprise here.

Bush was the beneficiary of a $130 billion surplus in the FY01 unified budget and turned it into a $834 billion deficit in the last 120 days of his reign of error (accumulating over $5 trillion in debt along the way).

Just more revisionist history from the G(asbag) O(bfuscating) P(ropaganda) party.
 

Phokus

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So where were all the crazy tea baggers/rightwing terrorists killing people (or threatening to kill people ) when republicans were increasing the debt/deficit to astronomical levels?



 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Phokus
So where were all the crazy tea baggers/rightwing terrorists killing people (or threatening to kill people ) when republicans were increasing the debt/deficit to astronomical levels?

Under the bed waiting to scare you.

Boo!
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Genx87
Reducing the deficit after quadrupling it
Proof Obama quadrupled the deficit?

I even have a handy chart for you.

Side note: why do conservatives have a problem with mathematics? Is it a tool of the devil or something?

He thinks the future spending bush signed into law was Obama's fault. This is what most republicans believe (i'll give OCguy the credit for being the only conservative to admit it's not).

It's like it's a prerequisite that you have to be born stupid and crazy to be a republican.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
There you have it. In the simplest possible English, our current deficit can be attributed to the following:

37% is due to the failing economy (whether you blame that on Bush's two terms is up to you)
33% is due to legislation Bush passed (Medicare prescription drug benefits, tax cuts for the wealthy)
20% is due to legislation Bush passed and Obama continues to support (two wars, middle class tax cuts, Wall Street bailout)
7% is due to Obama's stimulus bill signed in February
3% is due to Obama's policies on health care, education, energy, etc.

It's very interesting how merely 6 months into Obama's presidency, the GOP is trying to white wash Bush's massive deficits from the history books and blame it all on Obama. The GOP seems to think that every new president gets a clean slate to start from, with zero deficits or debt from their predecessor; it's a nice fairy tale to tell angst-ridden conservatives, but has no basis in reality whatsoever.

But is 10% after a mere six months in office a bad thing? Will the spending level off after Obama's current "surge" or will it go up and (possibly) increase his 10% figure over the rest of his term? I mean, you are trying to compare an entire 8 years of Bush's policies to a mere 6 months of Obama's policies :p.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Genx87
Reducing the deficit after quadrupling it
Proof Obama quadrupled the deficit?

I even have a handy chart for you.

Side note: why do conservatives have a problem with mathematics? Is it a tool of the devil or something?

Heh that article is rather amusing for one reason. It actually takes the CBO estimates of 800+ billion surpluses for the rest of the decade as gospel. Anybody with a brain understood the economy of the 1990s was not going to continue on forever. And thus those CBO estimates were faulty at best. Downright lying at worst.

Either way the fact Obama is going to wrack up 5 trillion in his first 4 years unless a miracle happens is something you cant get around. Reducing deficit spending in half to more than the Bush avg is not something worth bragging about.

Not to mention he seems to be missing about 600 billion as the latest estimates are putting the deficit near 1.8 trillion not 1.2 trillion.

 

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
But is 10% after a mere six months in office a bad thing? Will the spending level off after Obama's current "surge" or will it go up and (possibly) increase his 10% figure over the rest of his term? I mean, you are trying to compare an entire 8 years of Bush's policies to a mere 6 months of Obama's policies :p.
By that logic, you could argue that since 7% came within the first month of his term, the dollar amount should have increased by six-fold over the first six months of his term.

Did it?
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh that article is rather amusing for one reason. It actually takes the CBO estimates of 800+ billion surpluses for the rest of the decade as gospel.
Yet you take the CBO estimates for Obama's two terms as gospel.

Either way the fact Obama is going to wrack up 5 trillion in his first 4 years unless a miracle happens is something you cant get around.
Correction: 7% of each deficit over the next four years is Obama's fault.

If we didn't bother electing a president at all last November and left the White House empty, 93% of the deficit through 2012 would have been due to what Bush left us.
 

Genx87

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Yet you take the CBO estimates for Obama's two terms as gospel.

I have never done that. I acknowledge there is a possibility of an economic uptick which will close the gap. But it will have to be unheralded economic growth for it to close the gap to anything like we saw under Bush. Even Obama's own estimates are grim and his are using favorable economic growth estimates.

Correction: 7% of each deficit over the next four years is Obama's fault.

If we didn't bother electing a president at all last November and left the White House empty, 93% of the deficit through 2012 would have been due to what Bush left us.

This line of whitewashing will get the left laughed right out of office. These silly articles are trying to obfuscate the problem with expected deficit spending under this administration by falling onto the "Blame Bush" routine.

Besides looking at your own source isnt a lot of this faux outrage anyways? Most of those programss are supported by the left anyways and all of you were screaming we have to bailout these wall street giants and automakers and pass a stimulus bill or the economy crashes. What are you complaining about? You wanted big govt, you got it from Bush and Obama.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Besides looking at your own source isnt a lot of this faux outrage anyways? Most of those problems are all supported by the left anyways and all of you were screaming we have to bailout these wall street giants and automakers and pass a stimulus bill. What are you complaining about? You wanted big govt, you got it from Bush and Obama.
What this article did was explain in numbers how conservatives are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

In fact, you did the exact same thing in the post I'm quoting. You mentioned issues with the stimulus package and auto bailouts (7%) while conveniently ignoring the rest. It's Tea Party outrage at its finest.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Genx87
Besides looking at your own source isnt a lot of this faux outrage anyways? Most of those problems are all supported by the left anyways and all of you were screaming we have to bailout these wall street giants and automakers and pass a stimulus bill. What are you complaining about? You wanted big govt, you got it from Bush and Obama.
What this article did was explain in numbers how conservatives are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

In fact, you did the exact same thing in the post I'm quoting. You mentioned issues with the stimulus package and auto bailouts (7%) while conveniently ignoring the rest. It's Tea Party outrage at its finest.

I mentioned those because I think the left complaining about Bush spending is rather disenguous given how many programs Bush enacted that are favorable to the left. You want big govt and you got it. What is the problem?

I dont think questioning multi-year trillion dollar deficits is making a mountain out of a molehill. And neither should you.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I mentioned those because I think the left complaining about Bush spending is rather disenguous given how many programs Bush enacted that are favorable to the left.
The question is why aren't you complaining about Bush spending? If you don't want big government, why didn't you ever have a problem with it?

Feel free to prove me wrong through the archives. But it's a safe bet your outrage about Obama's 10% cut of the deficit is right out of the Tea Party 2009 playbook.
 

Phokus

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Just a reminder that the Bush administration engaged in fraud when they presented their plan for medicare. They did the same thing with the Iraq war estimates. Again, where were the teabaggers and rightwing terrorists back then?

The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act (Pub.L. 108-173, 117 Stat. 2066, also called Medicare Modernization Act or MMA) is a law of the United States which was enacted in 2003.[1] It produced the largest overhaul of Medicare in the public health program's 38-year history.

The MMA was signed by President George W. Bush on December 8, 2003, after passing in Congress by a close margin.

One month later, the ten-year cost estimate was boosted to $534 billion, up more than $100 billion over the figure presented by the Bush administration during Congressional debate. The inaccurate figure helped secure support from fiscally conservative Republicans who had promised to vote against the bill if it cost more than $400 billion. It was reported that an administration official, Thomas A. Scully, had concealed the higher estimate and threatened to fire Medicare Chief Actuary Richard Foster if he revealed it.[2] By early 2005, the White House Budget had increased the 10-year estimate to $1.2 trillion.[3]

Former US Comptroller General David M. Walker has called this "...probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s... because we promise way more than we can afford to keep." [4]

In July 2004, it was revealed that Thomas A. Scully, Medicare Administrator, had ordered Richard Foster, a Medicare actuary, to withhold information from Congress on pain of termination. Foster had projected that the bill would cost at least 139 billion dollars more than the White House was claiming.
 

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What is most surprising about this article is:

People actually read the NY Times, and will admit to doing so? The same newspaper that is doing such horrible business that it will need to get bailed out by the government and officially become state-run, as proposed by John Kerry?