NYT Attack on Trump Gets Outed as a Misrepresentation and Spin

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Unless you have evidence showing the hunting to be illegal or endangered species or something, what's your point? Hunters are evil?

big game trophy hunters? yea, pretty fucking evil and the epitome of cowardliness. I'd love to see one of those fucktard hunters get attacked by the very animal they're hunting and get mauled beyond recognition.

 

[PokerGuy]

big game trophy hunters? yea, pretty f*cking evil and the epitome of cowardliness. I'd love to see one of those f*cktard hunters get attacked by the very animal they're hunting and get mauled beyond recognition.

So they do something perfectly legal that humans have been doing for eons, and you wish them to be mauled beyond recognition. You then want to point to them not being good people. Brilliant. Your stupidity and hypocrisy are duly noted.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So they do something perfectly legal that humans have been doing for eons, and you wish them to be mauled beyond recognition. You then want to point to them not being good people. Brilliant. Your stupidity and hypocrisy are duly noted.

because they've done it for eons, what phenomenal justification for hunting endangered big game! you are so smart!
and yea, MAULED BEYOND RECOGNITION, just to be sure there was no grey area in my wishes for the aforementioned trophy hunters.

And for clarification, where was I being hypocritical? I don't hunt for food, and I would NEVER hunt for sport, I get stupid, you think I am stupid because I think trophy hunting is only something a sick fucko would find pleasure in. But whatever on that.

 

[Blackjack200]

So they do something perfectly legal that humans have been doing for eons, and you wish them to be mauled beyond recognition. You then want to point to them not being good people. Brilliant. Your stupidity and hypocrisy are duly noted.

I don't agree with wanting them to get mauled, but trophy hunting is very different from hunting to eat, which is what I assume you mean by humans doing it for "eons".

 

[michal1980]

because they've done it for eons, what phenomenal justification for hunting endangered big game! you are so smart!
and yea, MAULED BEYOND RECOGNITION, just to be sure there was no grey area in my wishes for the aforementioned trophy hunters.

glad you want to impose your morals on others.

you should be given a SJW award.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

glad you want to impose your morals on others.

you should be given a SJW award.

another brilliant retort, you even got to throw in the sjw tagline. Good job mikey!!
(like the gop doesn't try to thrust their 'morals' on the general population 🙄 )
but good job mikey, keep typing away

 

[fskimospy]

Unless you have evidence showing the hunting to be illegal or endangered species or something, what's your point? Hunters are evil?

People who kill animals for nothing other than their own amusement are pretty bad people in my opinion, yes. I guess your mileage may vary.

 

[buckshot24]

Here's the thing, while I know this is news for you on two fronts, first, calling something out as stupid which shows a lack of knowledge and critical thinking isn't hateful, it is merely accurate, and second, critical thinking and learning are skills that can be developed.

That isn't what your dad did. He made it about the poster. Something being accurate doesn't make it not cruel to laugh and mock somebody for it.

Sure, some people are born with low limits than others, but more often than not stupid people are stupid not because they were born stupid, but because they put a lack of time and effort into improving their learning process and reasoning capabilities.

I suppose we'll just have to believe you on this.

While the brain isn't actually a muscle, it is something that gets more powerful, more efficient, more useful with practice. You're welcome to begin trying at any time.

Haha, and you get a shot in. Like papa like son. There are limits so if a person hits his limit then you're being cruel making fun of them. They can't help it any more than a person born with no legs.

Contrary to the adage, you can fix stupid if stupid can pay attention long enough to let itself be fixed. While my comments may be presented with a humorous slant, the underlying purpose is to perhaps get you to realize that, gee whiz, maybe this position does show a lack of thought and that throwing your weight behind an argument based on what tribe the arguer falls into instead of the content of their posts reflects badly on you both in terms of your own thinking skills and the thinking skills of your group that they don't do more to correct badly considered positions.

I didn't say one way or the other anything about the position.

Is laughing at stupid cruel? Probably, but far less so than letting stupid persist or letting stupid spread since a lack of critical thinking skills in, for instance, a voting Democracy, is how you end up with Donald Trump at the top of one of two major party tickets.

Your bullying and hatred is good for the victim now? You're just trying to help! Sorry, I'm not that stupid.

You are misreading me, that section was about how now that Cruz and Kasich are out of the race, their respective campaigns will have ceased digging on Donald Trump and spreading it to the press, thus requiring the press to do more digging of their own for an equal amount of dirt.

Fair enough. My bad.

According to you I was laughing before I did the research and so your line of argument makes no sense.

I was talking about laughing at me.

Or, rather, you make a scene about it being hateful because it negates you having to put in any actual effort towards examining the right wing narratives that led to the original stupid, an endeavor that would not end well for your deeply held bubble beliefs, and so you make the effort to claim a moral victory because declaring your opponent to be an asshole, a jerk, "hateful" and declaring you won is always less work and gives you that hit of instant gratification for standing up for your tribe.

None of that. I have no beliefs about the original comment. I don't care about it. You could be completely correct that it was completely wrong and I'm fine with that. I just called out your daddy for teaching you to make fun of people and laugh at them.

This is a deflection, an obvious one, a boring one, the classic ad hom of 'it doesn't matter what facts you bring, all that matters is you're a jerk so I win.', third grade logic. You said you are getting old, grow up.

Not sure what I'd be deflecting from.

Keep laughing at people, daddy is proud.

 

[PokerGuy]

because they've done it for eons, what phenomenal justification for hunting endangered big game!

You're assuming it was endangered game. Do you have any evidence of such?

And for clarification, where was I being hypocritical? I don't hunt for food, and I would NEVER hunt for sport

You posted a picture as 'evidence' that Trump's children are not good people... and in the same post call for someone getting mauled beyond recognition for doing something that's perfectly legal. The ironing is delicious 😀

I get stupid, you think I am stupid because I think trophy hunting is only something a sick f*cko would find pleasure in. But whatever on that.

Nope, that's not why your post was stupid. You are certainly entitled to your opinion that trophy hunting is wrong, in fact I share that opinion. However, wanting someone to get mauled beyond recognition for doing something that is perfectly legal when chiding someone for not being "good" is stupid.

Again, if you have information that the hunt was illegal and involved endangered species etc, then by all means post it.

 

[emperus]

I think this ad punctuates this NYT article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JekzM26TF3Q

 

[buckshot24]

So then when you say you belong to the Christian Right what does that mean to you? As a Christian, I would assume that the Bible's teachings informed what you support. Unless you want to make an argument to me that it actually does support Trump, my criticism above stands.

I also think the "Christian Right" jumped the shark when they attacked the Pope for saying he didn't think Trump was a Christian.

I don't think Trump is a Christian either at least not a saved one. I support Trump now that he's the nominee and the only other real option is Hillary. I would rather have a solid Christian but that isn't in the cards this time around.

 

[buckshot24]

People who kill animals for nothing other than their own amusement are pretty bad people in my opinion, yes. I guess your mileage may vary.

One meat machine stopping another different kind of meat machine from functioning is bad because of reasons.

 

[PokerGuy]

People who kill animals for nothing other than their own amusement are pretty bad people in my opinion, yes. I guess your mileage may vary.

Yeah, such evil people like the Teddy Roosevelt, Charles Audubon, Charles Darwin etc.

I don't like killing animals for entertainment so I would not do it. However, it's perfectly legal, and there's a strong argument one could make for trophy hunting helping conservation efforts. For example, read up on the white rhinos in South Africa and the comeback they've made from the brink of extinction thanks to trophy hunting.

Nothing wrong with debating that, but a picture showing someone to be a hunter proves nothing about them being good or bad.

 

[PokerGuy]

I don't think Trump is a Christian either at least not a saved one. I support Trump now that he's the nominee and the only other real option is Hillary. I would rather have a solid Christian but that isn't in the cards this time around.

Kind of funny that some people say real Christians could not support Trump. That's idiotic. I certainly don't like Trump and don't think of him as some wonderful example of morals and virtue. The bottom line is that we appear to have two terrible choices, so I will support the slightly less terrible one IMO. It doesn't mean I'm particularly fond of one, just that the other would be worse.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, such evil people like the Teddy Roosevelt, Charles Audubon, Charles Darwin etc.

Standards of decency change over time. For example I don't think all of the Founding Fathers were reprehensible people despite many of them owning slaves, something that would be completely unacceptable today.

Everyone is a product of their time, and in our time I think people who hunt for sport alone are bad people. They are causing the suffering of other beings that we know can feel fear, pain, etc solely for their own amusement.

I don't like killing animals for entertainment so I would not do it. However, it's perfectly legal, and there's a strong argument one could make for trophy hunting helping conservation efforts. For example, read up on the white rhinos in South Africa and the comeback they've made from the brink of extinction thanks to trophy hunting.

Nothing wrong with debating that, but a picture showing someone to be a hunter proves nothing about them being good or bad.

No one said it was illegal. Opening up trophy hunting for conservation efforts is a smart move by the people trying to do the CONSERVING, but it says nothing as to the motives of the people doing the hunting. In fact, those programs are simply trying to turn the sport killings of rich people into a positive instead of a negative.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I don't think Trump is a Christian either at least not a saved one. I support Trump now that he's the nominee and the only other real option is Hillary. I would rather have a solid Christian but that isn't in the cards this time around.

so you'd vote for Carter. got it.

 

[emperus]

Kind of funny that some people say real Christians could not support Trump. That's idiotic. I certainly don't like Trump and don't think of him as some wonderful example of morals and virtue. The bottom line is that we appear to have two terrible choices, so I will support the slightly less terrible one IMO. It doesn't mean I'm particularly fond of one, just that the other would be worse.

Ok, so tell me, as a Christian, what traits of Hilary make Trump slightly less terrible?

But didn't you support Trump during the primaries as well?

I guess, I've always had problems with the religious right's two issue view of Christianity. Issues I can agree with. But, Jesus spoke so much more about love, tolerance and poverty.

 

[fskimospy]

One meat machine stopping another different kind of meat machine from functioning is bad because of reasons.

Of course not, we judge if things are bad or not based on what a magical man in the sky told a bunch of bronze age people. lol.

 

[emperus]

Of course not, we judge if things are bad or not based on what a magical man in the sky told a bunch of bronze age people. lol.

That's pretty offensive. I think we can disagree without disparaging each other's religions. Well, if those religions aren't harming you.

I do agree though that people should kill solely to eat or survive.

 

[PokerGuy]

Ok, so tell me, as a Christian, what traits of Hilary make Trump slightly less terrible?

Common, she's the absolute perfect example of everything that's wrong with politics / politicians. Corrupt, a hypocrite, a pathological liar, beholden to those big corps with the money, a military hawk, anti-second amendment rights, for political correctness, pro illegal immigration, constantly pushing the BS "women get paid $0.76 per dollar" lies and on and on and on. Basically, I can't find any redeeming values in her.

At least with Trump he's not beholden to those paying for his campaign, and he's a slap in the face to the establishment, and he's definitely not pushing politically correct crap.

But didn't you support Trump during the primaries as well?

Absolutely not. I don't like him at all. Never have, never will.

I don't think most of the religious right likes Trump for his morals. They will support him because he's not hildabeast.

 

[fskimospy]

That's pretty offensive. I think we can disagree without disparaging each other's religions. Well, if those religions aren't harming you.

I do agree though that people should kill solely to eat or survive.

You realize that was in response to him calling people 'meat machines', right? hahaha.

Buckshot has made it abundantly clear that he deserves to be disparaged and I'll continue to do that going forward. You'll notice that I rarely do anything like that to people who engage in a rational manner. If someday he's able to do that then I'll absolutely consider giving his views more respect.

 

[fskimospy]

At least with Trump he's not beholden to those paying for his campaign, and he's a slap in the face to the establishment, and he's definitely not pushing politically correct crap.

Uhmm, you realize he's looking to take in more than a billion dollars in donations from those same big financiers, right?

You might have been able to plausibly argue that during the primary, but certainly not anymore. He's stepped right up to the campaign cash trough.

 

[PokerGuy]

No one said it was illegal. Opening up trophy hunting for conservation efforts is a smart move by the people trying to do the CONSERVING, but it says nothing as to the motives of the people doing the hunting. In fact, those programs are simply trying to turn the sport killings of rich people into a positive instead of a negative.

Sorry, but that simply doesn't fly. Many of those doing the conserving are the same people doing the hunting. You can't put it as a "hunters are evil, conservers are good!" because they can be the same people. The bottom line is, you don't know the motives of those doing the hunting, especially not when all you see is a picture of them hunting or after the hunt. People hunt for different reasons. Even though I don't support big game trophy hunting, trying to determine if someone is a "good person" or not based on whether they went on a hunt or not is misguided at best.

Another example is people who help keep the deer population in check by hunting even though they don't eat the meat. They do it for sport. Does that make them bad people? Would you rather have the deer starving by the millions?

 

[michal1980]

another brilliant retort, you even got to throw in the sjw tagline. Good job mikey!!
(like the gop doesn't try to thrust their 'morals' on the general population 🙄 )
but good job mikey, keep typing away

The libs are always the ones that claim they want to stay out of peoples business, until its something they all of a sudden care about.

your the one that wants hunters mauled not me.


You need to defend your insane beliefs.

 

[PokerGuy]

Uhmm, you realize he's looking to take in more than a billion dollars in donations from those same big financiers, right?

You might have been able to plausibly argue that during the primary, but certainly not anymore. He's stepped right up to the campaign cash trough.

Of course he's stepping right up and taking whatever they give him. Wouldn't you? The difference is, he doesn't need them the way most politicians need them. They are not pulling his strings the way they do the typical politician who is completely dependent on their support for their employment.