NYPD drawdown has benefits

[norseamd]

Since the NYPD had their hissy fits and stopped doing most of their job"there have been many who have seen life and society improve and many are talking about how good they think everything is right now.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...it-between-applauding-failing-to-notice.shtml

 

[glenn1]

Since the NYPD had their hissy fits and stopped doing most of their job"there have been many who have seen life and society improve and many are talking about how good they think everything is right now.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...it-between-applauding-failing-to-notice.shtml

Among them no more enforcement of the multitudinous nanny state laws like smoking bans, trAns-fats, large sodas, etc.

 

[Fern]

Interesting info. Perhaps continue letting the situation last for a while and gather data etc. Perhaps the police force is unnecessarily large and and their focus needs to change.

But we need to hear from much more than one source.

Fern

 

[Matt1970]

Interesting info. Perhaps continue letting the situation last for a while and gather data etc. Perhaps the police force is unnecessarily large and and their focus needs to change.

But we need to hear from much more than one source.

Fern

I would agree maybe their focus could use a little work, but I suspect the people happy that police are not doing their jobs represents a very small minority of the population.

 

[alcoholbob]

Well New York does have a reputation of being a nanny-state capital so a police draw down seems to be good for both the police and the population.

 

[shady28]

Won't last long. The state must be paid.

"NYPD cops told no vacations until work slowdown ends"

http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/no-time-off-for-nypd-until-cops-get-back-to-work/

 

[fleshconsumed]

I think the biggest benefit is realizing that maybe we do not need such a huge overwhelming police force that we think we do. So far NYC has not fallen into disarray, there are no riots on the streets, there is no sudden increase in violent crime, no sudden increase in armed robberies or assaults. Every day that NYC keeps marching on is one more additional day of evidence that maybe we do not need all those officers after all. NYPD is supposed to be the biggest PD in the country, maybe it's time to trim a few people off its ranks. So what if there are fewer jaywalker arrests, so what if cops no longer shake down guy trying to sell some sigarettes, those are largely victimless crimes. Who cares as long as the violent crime is not going up? I would see it as a win win. Reduction in unneeded police force, violent crime stays the same, but now there would be no more prosecution of petty crimes, no more random shakedowns, more resources to dealing with actual crimes. I think NYPD is playing a dangerous game here, the longer they "strike" the more obvious it becomes just how bloated their police department is.

 

[fskimospy]

Among them no more enforcement of the multitudinous nanny state laws like smoking bans, trAns-fats, large sodas, etc.

Trans fats, smoking bans, and large sodas are not enforced by the NYPD. They are enforced by the health department.

 

[glenn1]

Trans fats, smoking bans, and large sodas are not enforced by the NYPD. They are enforced by the health department.

Perfect, so you can free the police from the drudgery of your nanny state oversight and free them to pursue their higher levels objectives in Maslow's hierarchy like beating the shit out of brown skinned people and sodomizing them with nightsticks. All in the name of the people like you of course.

 

[fskimospy]

Perfect, so you can free the police from the drudgery of your nanny state oversight and free them to pursue their higher levels objectives in Maslow's hierarchy like beating the shit out of brown skinned people and sodomizing them with nightsticks. All in the name of the people like you of course.

 

[Darwin333]

Among them no more enforcement of the multitudinous nanny state laws like smoking bans, trAns-fats, large sodas, etc.

And drug possession/personal use.... If you agree that I should be able to kill myself with large sodas, trans-fat and smoking cigs obviously you agree that the drug laws are nanny state bullshit too, right?

 

[Darwin333]

I would agree maybe their focus could use a little work, but I suspect the people happy that police are not doing their jobs represents a very small minority of the population.

Shrug, I haven't heard of any protests or people marching and demanding the police go back to their old ways.

 

[fskimospy]

Shrug, I haven't heard of any protests or people marching and demanding the police go back to their old ways.

There's a pretty broad antipathy towards broken windows policing as an idea, especially considering how low crime is in NYC now (and how little evidence that broken windows policing was the reason for the decline).

I'm 100% in favor of pulling back the NYPD and seeing what happens. Police should tread with the lightest footprint possible that coincides with a decent place to live. Still though, that should be initiated from the elected government, not from police officers who are mad at the mayor.

 

[glenn1]

And drug possession/personal use.... If you agree that I should be able to kill myself with large sodas, trans-fat and smoking cigs obviously you agree that the drug laws are nanny state bullshit too, right?

I've favored de-criminalization my entire adult life. I don't universally support repeal of all drug laws (e.g. I'd keep medical prescription laws for the really addictive narcotic painkillers to cut down addiction rates) but otherwise easily 99% of them could be repealled instantly.

 

[Newell Steamer]

,.. I still don't understand what the big issue was or is over this.

- People lose their shit over cops being overbearing.
- Those SAME people lose their shit over cops not being overbearing.

So, what then, go back to being overbearing lunatics? How can you piss and moan over cops not doing the very thing you wanted them to stop doing??



There literally isn't ANYTHING that a police officer can do right. Ever, under ANY circumstances in these people's eyes.

Which proves that most cop critics are just emotional raging idiots that are so blinded by their realization that they are impotent buffoons, that they can't see this work stoppage as something they've been asking for. Yet, now they got what they were asking for, and still hate on cops.

Law enforcement is not perfect, by any means. But, when everything they do is wrong, that does not mean the cops are the problem, it's frankly the critics.

There are plenty of meathead cops. There are plenty of raging 'roid warrior cops. There are corrupt cops. No one is doubting that. What is doubted is the the criticism, that is usually based on fantasy & and illogical expectations; shooting guns out of criminal's hands, seeing through clothing, not shooting someone who is charging at you, etc.

Now, on this; I can only hope that they realize there was no benefit to busting people for minor offenses.

And, hopefully pot will get legalized pretty soon - and the state / city can no longer cry they are dry on funds from this work stoppage.

If anything, this is a social experiment to see and prove that minor offenses really don't lead to the down fall of modern civilization. It is a shame 2 police officers had to die to come to this, but,...

 

[BoberFett]

I think the biggest benefit is realizing that maybe we do not need such a huge overwhelming police force that we think we do. So far NYC has not fallen into disarray, there are no riots on the streets, there is no sudden increase in violent crime, no sudden increase in armed robberies or assaults. Every day that NYC keeps marching on is one more additional day of evidence that maybe we do not need all those officers after all. NYPD is supposed to be the biggest PD in the country, maybe it's time to trim a few people off its ranks. So what if there are fewer jaywalker arrests, so what if cops no longer shake down guy trying to sell some sigarettes, those are largely victimless crimes. Who cares as long as the violent crime is not going up? I would see it as a win win. Reduction in unneeded police force, violent crime stays the same, but now there would be no more prosecution of petty crimes, no more random shakedowns, more resources to dealing with actual crimes. I think NYPD is playing a dangerous game here, the longer they "strike" the more obvious it becomes just how bloated their police department is.

To me, it's long been obvious that the police don't deter crime, only clean up after it. If you have too many cops to handle what's actually necessary to clean up, they start enforcing petty laws that people haven't given a damn about since they were written in 1874. Or worse yet they start inventing their own rules that they used to harass people.

 

[fskimospy]

To me, it's long been obvious that the police don't deter crime, only clean up after it. If you have too many cops to handle what's actually necessary to clean up, they start enforcing petty laws that people haven't given a damn about since they were written in 1874. Or worse yet they start inventing their own rules that they used to harass people.

The research doesn't agree with that. In fact, up to a certain point cops probably provide a very strong deterrence to crime.

Basically the research says that how likely people think they are to be caught committing a crime matters a lot as to if they commit it or not, but the severity of the punishment matters relatively little. (This is another reason why our drug laws are insane)

More cops (up to a point) clearly means a better chance to catch people, so it likely means deterred crime. My issue is that ticketing someone for public urination doesn't stop more serious crime, and we are WAY past the point of enough cops, at least in NYC.