NYPD and possible work stoppage

[glenn1]

Are you seriously this stupid? Has the mayor been the mayor with a security detail since his son was born?

Just read any number of threads here on P&N about cop on black crime and almost all of them have a post that tells them how the black person should have acted. Of course when it's pointed out that we have plenty of stories with video of black people acting properly and the interaction still escalating those same people suddenly disappear or come up with some other excuse.

You denying black peoples experience with cops is rather ignorant, especially given anecdotal evidence and studies that show their fear of cops has justification.

Just because you live in a bubble doesn't mean everyone else lives in that same bubble too!

White priviledge = not needing to have a special conversation to tell my kids to follow cop's instructions when stopped, because they were raised well already know better.

 

[fskimospy]

Actually it's standard practice for any responsible parent to tell their kids exactly that for reasons that are also obvious. If blacks or you think that's somehow a special burden on them that they need to tell their kids to "do what a cop tells you" (as if white parents don't) that says more about them and you than me.

No, that they need to be even MORE careful than other people do. Seriously, your responses here say a ton about you. I've rarely seen someone argue so insistently against a statement by the mayor that basically everyone agrees is undeniably true.

De Blasio would be a negligent parent if he didn't tell his african american son to be particularly careful when around the police. I'm glad he's not a negligent parent. Apparently you think him telling his son true things makes him a racist, but people frequently fight against the truth when it is inconvenient for them.

 

[fskimospy]

Are you seriously this stupid? Has the mayor been the mayor with a security detail since his son was born?

Just read any number of threads here on P&N about cop on black crime and almost all of them have a post that tells them how the black person should have acted. Of course when it's pointed out that we have plenty of stories with video of black people acting properly and the interaction still escalating those same people suddenly disappear or come up with some other excuse.

You denying black peoples experience with cops is rather ignorant, especially given anecdotal evidence and studies that show their fear of cops has justification.

Just because you live in a bubble doesn't mean everyone else lives in that same bubble too!

It's always amusing when suburban middle aged white guys try and tell black people that their perception of their lives is all wrong and if they just acted like suburban middle aged white people this whole misunderstanding would be cleared up.

The guy is so clueless and so angry he's lost all sense of logic and reason.

 

[glenn1]

No, that they need to be even MORE careful than other people do. Seriously, your responses here say a ton about you. I've rarely seen someone argue so insistently against a statement by the mayor that basically everyone agrees is undeniably true.

De Blasio would be a negligent parent if he didn't tell his african american son to be particularly careful when around the police. I'm glad he's not a negligent parent. Apparently you think him telling his son true things makes him a racist, but people frequently fight against the truth when it is inconvenient for them.

Sure. I bet Mr. Mayor is being mindful not be be negligent be forgetting to tell Dante of other more relevant inconvenient truths, like that he stands multiple orders of magnitude more probability of being victimized by another black than harassed or victimized by a police officer? Violent crime, robbery, assault, rape, you name it and Dante is more likely to experience it than Mr. Mayor. Did he warn his son that due to his race he was far more likely to commit murder himself, since between mid-70s to mid-2000s about half of all murders were committed by blacks despite representing only 12% of the population?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901964.html

 

[fskimospy]

Sure. I bet Mr. Mayor is being mindful not be be negligent be forgetting to tell Dante of other more relevant inconvenient truths, like that he stands multiple orders of magnitude more probability of being victimized by another black than harassed or victimized by a police officer? Violent crime, robbery, assault, rape, you name it and Dante is more likely to experience it than Mr. Mayor. Did he warn his son that due to his race he was far more likely to commit murder himself, since between mid-70s to mid-2000s about half of all murders were committed by blacks despite representing only 12% of the population?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901964.html

LOL. You're just furiously flailing at this point.

Despite the manifest absurdity of what you're trying to argue, whether or not de Blasio had other discussions with his son has zero bearing on this issue. You're enraged that he told his son something true that you find ideologically inconvenient. Such is life.

 

[Moonbeam]

Actually it's standard practice for any responsible parent to tell their kids exactly that for reasons that are also obvious. If blacks or you think that's somehow a special burden on them that they need to tell their kids to "do what a cop tells you" (as if white parents don't) that says more about them and you than me.

Yes, it says they teach by experience while you remain a stupid bigoted ass. Compare the parental training given to country kids and city kids regarding the danger of snakes.

 

[ivwshane]

Sure. I bet Mr. Mayor is being mindful not be be negligent be forgetting to tell Dante of other more relevant inconvenient truths, like that he stands multiple orders of magnitude more probability of being victimized by another black than harassed or victimized by a police officer? Violent crime, robbery, assault, rape, you name it and Dante is more likely to experience it than Mr. Mayor. Did he warn his son that due to his race he was far more likely to commit murder himself, since between mid-70s to mid-2000s about half of all murders were committed by blacks despite representing only 12% of the population?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901964.html

What does that have anything to do with the topic at hand?

Nothing. The answer is, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

So who in your family or which of your friends is a cop?

 

[glenn1]

What does that have anything to do with the topic at hand?

Nothing. The answer is, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

So who in your family or which of your friends is a cop?

It has plenty and goes right along with the story of Michelle Obama citing as "racism" when someone at Target asked her to get an item off a high shelf. The idea that the First Lady or son of the mayor of NYC is subject to persistent organized racist acts is laughable on its face. They're in the very highest echelons of high society and its exponentially more probable that their doorman/chaffeur/bodyguard/cook/whatever from (Bosnia, Brazil, Cambodia, or whatever fill in the blank ethnic country here) experiences more real racism in a day than Michelle or Dante will in their lifetimes. Oh pity the poor child of extreme privilege like Dante.

 

[ivwshane]

It has plenty and goes right along with the story of Michelle Obama citing as "racism" when someone at Target asked her to get an item off a high shelf. The idea that the First Lady or son of the mayor of NYC is subject to persistent organized racist acts is laughable on its face. They're in the very highest echelons of high society and its exponentially more probable that their doorman/chaffeur/bodyguard/cook/whatever from (Bosnia, Brazil, Cambodia, or whatever fill in the blank ethnic country here) experiences more real racism in a day than Michelle or Dante will in their lifetimes. Oh pity the poor child of extreme privilege like Dante.

Lol now try a post without using straw

 

[Moonbeam]

Sure. I bet Mr. Mayor is being mindful not be be negligent be forgetting to tell Dante of other more relevant inconvenient truths, like that he stands multiple orders of magnitude more probability of being victimized by another black than harassed or victimized by a police officer? Violent crime, robbery, assault, rape, you name it and Dante is more likely to experience it than Mr. Mayor. Did he warn his son that due to his race he was far more likely to commit murder himself, since between mid-70s to mid-2000s about half of all murders were committed by blacks despite representing only 12% of the population?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901964.html

So true. When you belong to such a worthless group you have no right to teach your kids they will be tagged the same. Apparently you see black people the same as the police do, as numbers rather than individuals. Nice.

 

[Darwin333]

Sure. I bet Mr. Mayor is being mindful not be be negligent be forgetting to tell Dante of other more relevant inconvenient truths, like that he stands multiple orders of magnitude more probability of being victimized by another black than harassed or victimized by a police officer? Violent crime, robbery, assault, rape, you name it and Dante is more likely to experience it than Mr. Mayor. Did he warn his son that due to his race he was far more likely to commit murder himself, since between mid-70s to mid-2000s about half of all murders were committed by blacks despite representing only 12% of the population?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901964.html

So on one hand you are arguing that blacks have a much greater chance to commit crimes and be the victim of crime. That gives them a much greater chance to encounter LEO, a greater chance of looking like a suspect in a crime, and a greater chance of LEO assuming they are involved in criminal activity.

Yet you think it is irresponsible for a parent of a law abiding young black male to be extra cautious with his interactions with LEO before he ever had a security detail?

Do I have that right?

 

[glenn1]

It's always amusing when suburban middle aged white guys try and tell black people that their perception of their lives is all wrong and if they just acted like suburban middle aged white people this whole misunderstanding would be cleared up.

The guy is so clueless and so angry he's lost all sense of logic and reason.

Yeah, I should just revert to your default POV: NYPD cops reflect the super racist attitudes of their fellow New York civilians and use their positions of power to beat and kill blacks indiscriminately. Better?

Good thing their fellow citizens like you sit a couple miles away in comfort.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, I should just revert to your default POV: NYPD cops reflect the super racist attitudes of their fellow New York civilians and use their positions of power to beat and kill blacks indiscriminately. Better?

Good thing their fellow citizens like you sit a couple miles away in comfort.

I lived in neighborhoods that were easily 90%+ black until recently. In fact I wanted to purchase a place in that neighborhood but was priced out.

Not everyone is as racist or as sequestered as you are.

 

[werepossum]

Shrug, moonshiners still exist and I enjoy a nice stiff drink on occasion but I, nor anyone else I know, have ever been sold or offered moonshine. Same thing with cigs, I have smoked malboro lights (actually switching to an E-cig atm but point remains) for 2 decades. I've never in my life, nor have I ever heard of anyone, being offered black market smokes. Booze was illegal for a while so I think its about the best comparison we could possibly get. Sure there might be a small amount of black market sales (like moonshine) but for the most part its WAY cheaper for uber-huge pharma companies to make the stuff than it is to illegally import, distribute to uber big players, cut the product to increase profits, distribute to street level slangers, and purchase.

I don't read many stories about alcohol turf wars today despite the fact that it used to be illegal and while so it was quite a deadly and violent trade to be in. Alcohol prohibition is about the only thing we can use as a historical comparison and I prefer to use real data when I can.

Wayyyyy off topic, why did making alcohol illegal require a constitutional amendment yet making pot illegal didn't? Can anyone answer this?

Alcohol is rather a special case due to its usual cost per weight volume. I think pot might enjoy similar efficiencies of scale, but the taxes will make smuggling profitable, just as with cigarettes in NYC.

I can't argue with that line of thinking but in this case the numbers are WAY out of whack. Per the actual facts, being a LEO is one of the safest jobs you can get. Those are the plain and simple facts. They have the same "risk" at work as farmers for christ sake.

Honest question, have you ever considered farming to be an outstandingly dangerous occupation across the board?

Not up there with roofing or commercial fishing, but I've known several farmers killed. East Tennessee is very hilly, which makes tractors dangerous. I even knew one father and son killed by the exact same tractor. I haven't known as many cops, but none of them have been killed. One lost an eye to a shotgun blast though, which is pretty darned close.

Roofing is extremely dangerous in my opinion. Every construction worker I've known who was killed or paralyzed on the job was from a fall. One of our electrical subs just lost a man paralyzed from the neck down, fell down the roof hatch after delivering a tool.

So on one hand you are arguing that blacks have a much greater chance to commit crimes and be the victim of crime. That gives them a much greater chance to encounter LEO, a greater chance of looking like a suspect in a crime, and a greater chance of LEO assuming they are involved in criminal activity.

Yet you think it is irresponsible for a parent of a law abiding young black male to be extra cautious with his interactions with LEO before he ever had a security detail?

Do I have that right?

Every parent of a black teenager should warn the child to take extra care with cops. Same for other races, but blacks are most at risk.

 

[zanejohnson]

i think it's absolutely HILARIOUS, anyone at all can try to defend the behavior of these thug, piece of shit, officers.

THAT'S a real thug, THAT'S A TRUE DEGENERATE.

freaking convenient stores in my small Texas town sell "loosies."

sure it's illegal technically, but it still happens... just like how you can buy a glass "water pipe." in plenty of convenience stores around the DFW area, even though, pot, is illegal....

when cops are killing folks over crap like that, we have major issues,

when cops can turn their backs and completely disrespect everyone involved in those funerals, what does that tell you? those cops dont even respect their fallen coworker!!! it was THEIR OWN'S FUNERAL.. imagine how the wives and children of those fallen officers must feel now.... that "thin blue line," it really held up to the test didnt' it... fucking disgraceful.

These officers are behaving like four year olds at wal mart, who didnt get their toy, flailing their arms and throwing themselves to the floor in a pure, unadulterated straight up pussy hurt, temper tantrum.

When these officers are now "only arresting when they HAVE TO," and it results in 6 percent of the normal amount of arrests......... there's a serious problem.

and it aint John Q. Public who's the problem, it's Officer jackass, and Deputy bitchboy.

seriously.

 

[werepossum]

i think it's absolutely HILARIOUS, anyone at all can try to defend the behavior of these thug, piece of shit, officers.

THAT'S a real thug, THAT'S A TRUE DEGENERATE.

freaking convenient stores in my small Texas town sell "loosies."

sure it's illegal technically, but it still happens... just like how you can buy a glass "water pipe." in plenty of convenience stores around the DFW area, even though, pot, is illegal....

when cops are killing folks over crap like that, we have major issues,

when cops can turn their backs and completely disrespect everyone involved in those funerals, what does that tell you? those cops dont even respect their fallen coworker!!! it was THEIR OWN'S FUNERAL.. imagine how the wives and children of those fallen officers must feel now.... that "thin blue line," it really held up to the test didnt' it... fucking disgraceful.

These officers are behaving like four year olds at wal mart, who didnt get their toy, flailing their arms and throwing themselves to the floor in a pure, unadulterated straight up pussy hurt, temper tantrum.

When these officers are now "only arresting when they HAVE TO," and it results in 6 percent of the normal amount of arrests......... there's a serious problem.

and it aint John Q. Public who's the problem, it's Officer jackass, and Deputy bitchboy.

seriously.

Dude, the cops turned their backs on the mayor, who has been as rabid a cop-hater as any and who personally directed the crack-down on illegal tobacco sales which resulted in Eric Garner losing his life. Cops don't create these laws, politicians do. The bereaved families are no doubt 100% behind them turning their backs.

You are correct that this is a serious societal problem. We have a vast number of bullshit laws. Some people are always going to resist or make some misunderstood move which results in their harm, even death, as these laws are enforced, yet our government at all levels is enamored of controlling behavior and of the income raised by taxes and regulations. Worse, we have an unavoidable racial component. Blacks are more likely to be in poverty, and thus more likely to break these laws, on top of being more violent and being perceived as more of a threat. And I see no indication of any of these factors reversing.

 

[Jimzz]

Dude, the cops turned their backs on the mayor, who has been as rabid a cop-hater as any and who personally directed the crack-down on illegal tobacco sales which resulted in Eric Garner losing his life. Cops don't create these laws, politicians do. The bereaved families are no doubt 100% behind them turning their backs.

You are correct that this is a serious societal problem. We have a vast number of bullshit laws. Some people are always going to resist or make some misunderstood move which results in their harm, even death, as these laws are enforced, yet our government at all levels is enamored of controlling behavior and of the income raised by taxes and regulations. Worse, we have an unavoidable racial component. Blacks are more likely to be in poverty, and thus more likely to break these laws, on top of being more violent and being perceived as more of a threat. And I see no indication of any of these factors reversing.

How has he been a cop hater? I keep seeing people say this but no one ever backs it up. Please show me where he has said he hates all cops as you put it.

 

[fskimospy]

Dude, the cops turned their backs on the mayor, who has been as rabid a cop-hater as any and who personally directed the crack-down on illegal tobacco sales which resulted in Eric Garner losing his life. Cops don't create these laws, politicians do. The bereaved families are no doubt 100% behind them turning their backs.

You are correct that this is a serious societal problem. We have a vast number of bullshit laws. Some people are always going to resist or make some misunderstood move which results in their harm, even death, as these laws are enforced, yet our government at all levels is enamored of controlling behavior and of the income raised by taxes and regulations. Worse, we have an unavoidable racial component. Blacks are more likely to be in poverty, and thus more likely to break these laws, on top of being more violent and being perceived as more of a threat. And I see no indication of any of these factors reversing.

Maybe you can help where others have failed.

If he is a "rabid cop hater", can you point out specific actions or things he has done while mayor that make him a "rabid cop hater"?

Please use specific actions or quotes if you can.

 

[zanejohnson]

Maybe you can help where others have failed.

If he is a "rabid cop hater", can you point out specific actions or things he has done while mayor that make him a "rabid cop hater"?

Please use specific actions or quotes if you can.

he hasn't done a damn thing.


but watch this, i bet they railroad him now.. i bet child porn or something shows up on his PC.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Or he'll be choked out for selling loosies.

 

[Nebor]

he hasn't done a damn thing.


but watch this, i bet they railroad him now.. i bet child porn or something shows up on his PC.

It'd be pretty tough to railroad a billionaire mayor of NYC.

 

[Jimzz]

It'd be pretty tough to railroad a billionaire mayor of NYC.

That was the last Mayor, Bloomberg. The current one is not worth any where near as much.

 

[shady28]

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when cops can turn their backs and completely disrespect everyone involved in those funerals, what does that tell you? those cops dont even respect their fallen coworker!!! it was THEIR OWN'S FUNERAL.. imagine how the wives and children of those fallen officers must feel now.... that "thin blue line," it really held up to the test didnt' it... fucking disgraceful.

These officers are behaving like four year olds at wal mart, who didnt get their toy, flailing their arms and throwing themselves to the floor in a pure, unadulterated straight up pussy hurt, temper tantrum.

When these officers are now "only arresting when they HAVE TO," and it results in 6 percent of the normal amount of arrests......... there's a serious problem.

and it aint John Q. Public who's the problem, it's Officer jackass, and Deputy bitchboy.

seriously.

Just pointing out -

1 - It's a 66% decline in arrests, so about 2 in 3 are apparently for trivial crap.

2 - The cops were tasked with making those trivial arrests by powers higher up; it was apparently DeBlasio who told them to arrest people for selling loosies.

I am no fan of cops as evidenced by my many posts here, however...

The fact that cops are blowing off / disrespecting DeBlasio and my #2 point above, might be a good thing.

The scenario that appears to have happened ..

DeBlasio or his appointee tasks the cops with arresting loosie sellers in an attempt to increase tax revenue etc etc.

Cops do what they're told.

Someone gets hurt.

DeBlasio jumps on the bandwagon and blames the cops.

Now I'm not saying the cops are great etc etc. Nope like I said look at some of my past posts. But I think DeBlasio is doing what politicians do - deflect and shift blame.

Putting the cops onto people is like sicking a dog on someone. People are going to get hurt. DeBlasio should share in that blame but he's successfully dodging that bullet.

 

[fskimospy]

Just pointing out -

1 - It's a 66% decline in arrests, so about 2 in 3 are apparently for trivial crap.

2 - The cops were tasked with making those trivial arrests by powers higher up; it was apparently DeBlasio who told them to arrest people for selling loosies.

I am no fan of cops as evidenced by my many posts here, however...

The fact that cops are blowing off / disrespecting DeBlasio and my #2 point above, might be a good thing.

The scenario that appears to have happened ..

DeBlasio or his appointee tasks the cops with arresting loosie sellers in an attempt to increase tax revenue etc etc.

Cops do what they're told.

Someone gets hurt.

DeBlasio jumps on the bandwagon and blames the cops.

Now I'm not saying the cops are great etc etc. Nope like I said look at some of my past posts. But I think DeBlasio is doing what politicians do - deflect and shift blame.

Putting the cops onto people is like sicking a dog on someone. People are going to get hurt. DeBlasio should share in that blame but he's successfully dodging that bullet.

The amount of arrests and summonses for 2014 were broadly similar to 2013. de Blasio did not 'sic' the cops on the citizens any more than they already were before.

 

[bshole]

Dude, the cops turned their backs on the mayor, who has been as rabid a cop-hater as any and who personally directed the crack-down on illegal tobacco sales which resulted in Eric Garner losing his life. Cops don't create these laws, politicians do. The bereaved families are no doubt 100% behind them turning their backs.

That doesn't jibe with what the families of the slain officers have stated for the record. It takes a special kind of asshole to make a political statement at the memorial for a fellow employee. Hey jackasses, the memorial is for celebrating the life of that person, not for you to create a spectacle of yourselves.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cop-thanks-killer-s-relatives-sympathies.html

However, Ramos' family said they are still frustrated by the divisions between the public and police but that they don't fault Mayor Bill de Blasio for the deaths of their loved one.
Officer Ramos will be laid to rest at a funeral on December 27 in Queens. Meanwhile, arrangements for Liu's funeral will take place after relatives have been flown in from China.