NYC to Require Proof of Vaccination for Indoor Dining

[Fanatical Meat]

I did talk to those workers about it when I first encountered it, actually! I was pleasantly surprised they were doing it and wanted to know how it was going. At least at that point there had been zero problems. I suspect this was helped by the fact that they could offer outdoor seating to those who weren't vaccinated but I think that was more due to the fact that most customers didn't know going in that they would need to show proof of vaccination.

This is really not a difficult thing to implement and really we should all be about finding the biggest sticks possible to whack the vaccine hesitant with right now. Make it so they can't go anywhere but the grocery store and back home.

What businesses and addresses. I want to look at their google reviews.
I cannot believe there has not been:
I wanted to meet my Grandpa for his birthday but they wouldn’t let me in....
I had to wait outside for my Friends to finish their...
I was going to have a work party here until...
They wouldn’t let my pregnant wife in to use the bathroom...
I’ve been coming here for 38 years and given them thousands, tens of thousands of dollars and they won’t let me inside. Thanks for nothing.
They said my vaccine card isn’t good enough and I’m vaccinated, I think they don’t like blacks....
I waited in line all night because the kid at the door took so long looking a vaccination cards. Never going again...
Kid at the door let everyone in card or no card. I came here to be around vaccinated people. Never going here again...
Friend of mine couldn’t come in with me because he is from France and the girl at the door wouldn’t take his xxyy vaccine passport which is absurd!
I booked four months in advance for my baby shower and half the guests were not let in

 

[K1052]

I've never been to Houston but not because I have anything against it, I just can't think of any reason I would want to travel to Houston. It's weird that it's such a large city but is so completely forgettable.

It is essentially a giant strip mall. Good ethnic foods but if you're already in NYC that's not really a compelling reason to visit. Low relative cost of living is the primary attraction as far as I can tell.

 

[fskimospy]

What businesses and addresses. I want to look at their google reviews.
I cannot believe there has not been:
I wanted to meet my Grandpa for his birthday but they wouldn’t let me in....
I had to wait outside for my Friends to finish their...
I was going to have a work party here until...
They wouldn’t let my pregnant wife in to use the bathroom...
I’ve been coming here for 38 years and given them thousands, tens of thousands of dollars and they won’t let me inside. Thanks for nothing.
They said my vaccine card isn’t good enough and I’m vaccinated, I think they don’t like blacks....
I waited in line all night because the kid at the door took so long looking a vaccination cards. Never going again...
Kid at the door let’s everyone in card or no card. I came here to be around vaccinated people.
Friend of mine couldn’t come in with me because he is from France and the girl at the door wouldn’t take his xxyy vaccine passport which is absurd!
I booked four months in advance for my baby shower and half the guests were not let in

Skylark in Park Slope, Brooklyn, for example. Just checked their google and yelp reviews and the closest I got was one person complaining for apparently getting yelled at for violating mask guidelines, which isn't the same thing. Other than that though, literally zero of your complaints!

Seriously, this is not a hard thing to do and enforce.

 

[Stokely]

The Anti-Vaxxers already offer fake COVID vaccination cards for this purpose. This might put a dent in stopping unvaccinated guests from dining indoors in NYC, but they're not going to stop everybody.

At the end of the day, considering that Delta may be given off by vaccinated as well as unvaccinated--these people are directly only hurting themselves. Indirectly they are helping to screw all of us to some degree by letting the virus potentially hang around longer, but as far as danger in a restaurant, it probably doesn't make a difference to the vaccinated if unvaccinated morons are in there.

Growing up in rural/suburban areas, I always disliked and feared cities. Now that I've visiting NYC and Boston a few times--love it there. Not sure about living there (expensive) but there's definitely some plusses!

Wanna talk shitholes, there are some redneck areas not far from Orlando that *I'd* be nervous walking around in and I'm a white dude.

 

[ondma]

The Anti-Vaxxers already offer fake COVID vaccination cards for this purpose. This might put a dent in stopping unvaccinated guests from dining indoors in NYC, but they're not going to stop everybody.

Obviously no law or regulation is perfect. So we might as well just give up, right?
Even if requiring proof of vaccination pushes another 5% of the population to get vaccinated, it is well worth the small inconvenience.

 

[Paratus]

I am headed to NYC shortly and we will be eating hot pot, I'll bring my vax cards as the Asian community seems to be more strict with precautions from my experiences in this area (restaurant based)



Don't forget the worse crime rates, the overall shitty sprawl and terrible city planning and pedestrian/bike unfriendly infrastructure that make Houston just a kind of crappy place if you actually want a city experience.

I've never been to Houston but not because I have anything against it, I just can't think of any reason I would want to travel to Houston. It's weird that it's such a large city but is so completely forgettable.

What are you guys talking about. Our downtown is so desirable this defunct hotel in central Houston has only been abandoned for over a decade.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Skylark in Park Slope, Brooklyn, for example. Just checked their google and yelp reviews and the closest I got was one person complaining for apparently getting yelled at for violating mask guidelines, which isn't the same thing. Other than that though, literally zero of your complaints!

Seriously, this is not a hard thing to do and enforce.

With disclaimer it is a quick search and my mind has been trained to look for trends like this due to the various industries I’ve worked in.

6 one star reviews over the last 6 years.
Three of those six have happened within a year.
50% of their “high impact” poor scores have happened within the last 12 month. Two of the three have occurred in the last 60 days.

That isn’t a good trend.
This is how business leaders look at problems. The subject business appears to be a small business so they are closer to the action than a big business. I know for a fact you do not want to be explaining the increase in one star reviews under your watch to an executive.


Otherwise appears to be a fabulously fun place in my opinion

 

[woolfe9998]

What are you guys talking about. Our downtown is so desirable this defunct hotel in central Houston has only been abandoned for over a decade.

"Houston, we have a problem."

My brother-in-law and sister-in-law at one point had a plan to move there from Ohio, based entirely on the fact that they believed their retirement money would go farther there. However, after further research, they discovered that the cost of living there wasn't much lower than where they live in Ohio, and decided that it looked kind of shitty.

 

[weblooker2021]

I am not seeing this getting enforced. Plus CDC card is so easy to make that one can do it probably in 30 minutes.

 

[fskimospy]

I am not seeing this getting enforced. Plus CDC card is so easy to make that one can do it probably in 30 minutes.

Some places won't enforce it but plenty will and again the point is primarily to make life harder for people who aren't getting vaccinated. France, for example, saw its vaccination rate skyrocket after announcing a mandate.

As I mentioned before this won't stop the hard core anti-vaxxers. After all, by forging a CDC card you're already committing a federal felony so if you're willing to do that then you aren't really amenable to more modest coercion.

 

[fskimospy]

With disclaimer it is a quick search and my mind has been trained to look for trends like this due to the various industries I’ve worked in.

6 one star reviews over the last 6 years.
Three of those six have happened within a year.
50% of their “high impact” poor scores have happened within the last 12 month. Two of the three have occurred in the last 60 days.

That isn’t a good trend.
This is how business leaders look at problems. The subject business appears to be a small business so they are closer to the action than a big business. I know for a fact you do not want to be explaining the increase in one star reviews under your watch to an executive.


Otherwise appears to be a fabulously fun place in my opinion

Well I have no idea why they gave out those bad reviews but none of them mentioned their vaccination check. I suspect businesses in more tourist-y areas would have more problems but Park Slope is basically all white yuppies whose vaccination rates are probably super high to begin with so it's probably not that big an issue.

 

[Zorba]

Doesn't really matter in the case of NYC whether it was density, travel vectors, or other factors. NYC has a bad history with COVID, and it really ought to be on the leading edge of vaccination rates because of that. It isn't.

One thing I'm reading is that there is a category of unvaccinated who are simply too lazy to bother with it. They probably think the death rates seem low, they are not that old, so why bother with the hassle. I also read that this group tends to be apolitical and not bother to vote either. They seem like low hanging fruit here. We just have to make it more of a hassle for them not to be vaccinated than to go get vaccinated.

Yeah, I have a friend that falls into that category.

Another big set of people just don't want to be told what to do, once there is an actual cost to their toddler behavior I am sure they'll change.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well I have no idea why they gave out those bad reviews but none of them mentioned their vaccination check. I suspect businesses in more tourist-y areas would have more problems but Park Slope is basically all white yuppies whose vaccination rates are probably super high to begin with so it's probably not that big an issue.

Role play it:
If I were the boss of all bosses I would say “you are being too confrontational with your customers. You need to be more friendly and those who can’t enter need to leave with a smile agreed?”
Develop a written plan and we will have weekly calls to review your progress

Now you have to hope that someone doesn’t slam you for being rude because you asked for their vaccination card

I don’t want to go way off topic, I do want to make sure everyone understands meetings like this suck and everyone will do almost anything even letting a questionable person in to avoid another meeting. That is why this won’t work long term and certainly won’t work for all businesses

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah, I have a friend that falls into that category.

Another big set of people just don't want to be told what to do, once there is an actual cost to their toddler behavior I am sure they'll change.

If you have a friend in the "lazy" category, offer to drive him or her to the vaccination center, and buy lunch at his/her favorite place.

Just read that in a CNN article as a suggestion for how to address the lazy unvaccinated and it seems like a good idea.

 

[K1052]

Role play it:
If I were the boss of all bosses I would say “you are being too confrontational with your customers. You need to be more friendly and those who can’t enter need to leave with a smile agreed?”
Develop a written plan and we will have weekly calls to review your progress

Now you have to hope that someone doesn’t slam you for being rude because you asked for their vaccination card

I don’t want to go way off topic, I do want to make sure everyone understands meetings like this suck and everyone will do almost anything even letting a questionable person in to avoid another meeting. That is why this won’t work long term and certainly won’t work for all businesses

I can think of literally nowhere I would go to eat in NYC where this scenario is remotely likely to take place.

 

[weblooker2021]

Some places won't enforce it but plenty will and again the point is primarily to make life harder for people who aren't getting vaccinated. France, for example, saw its vaccination rate skyrocket after announcing a mandate.

As I mentioned before this won't stop the hard core anti-vaxxers. After all, by forging a CDC card you're already committing a federal felony so if you're willing to do that then you aren't really amenable to more modest coercion.

This is really nothing but Mayor trying to make himself relevant again. We are talking about one city NYC, i am not seeing their vaccinate rate going up by that much. France is a country and others in Europe either doing it or will likely follow France lead. From my count the following states already banned Covid passports.

Alabama ,Alaska , Arizona , Arkansas , Florida ,Idaho , Indiana ,Kansas ,Minnesota,Missouri, Montana , North Dakota, Oklahoma , South Carolina, South Dakota , Texas ,Utah , Wyoming many others also opposite it.

 

[fskimospy]

This is really nothing but Mayor trying to make himself relevant again. We are talking about one city NYC, i am not seeing their vaccinate rate going up by that much. France is a country and others in Europe either doing it or will likely follow France lead. From my count the following states already banned Covid passports.

Yeah I figure maybe a 10% bump after all is said and done, but that would be a pretty solid increase.

Alabama ,Alaska , Arizona , Arkansas , Florida ,Idaho , Indiana ,Kansas ,Minnesota,Missouri, Montana , North Dakota, Oklahoma , South Carolina, South Dakota , Texas ,Utah , Wyoming many others also opposite it.

You do realize NYC has a larger population than basically all those states except for Texas and Florida, right? haha.

Regardless, those states are run by morons actively trying to get their residents killed. Just because they are dumb doesn't mean NYC has to be.

What I find really amusing is how all those 'conservative' states are trying to prevent private businesses from gaining a competitive advantage by protecting the health of their customers and employees. Funny how they are all about the right to refuse gay people service but not about the right to refuse potentially deadly people service. Guess it just goes to show it's all about culture war for them and these days to be on the conservative side of the culture war means being as stupid and evil as humanly possible.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I can think of literally nowhere I would go to eat in NYC where this scenario is remotely likely to take place.

Do you all have big franchise businesses?
Do you have big chain restaurants?
While you may not eat at them this is probably what happens. I don’t want to claim to be an expert because I haven’t managed food services. I can’t imagine food business being managed easier that retail or wireless or services.

 

[fskimospy]

Role play it:
If I were the boss of all bosses I would say “you are being too confrontational with your customers. You need to be more friendly and those who can’t enter need to leave with a smile agreed?”
Develop a written plan and we will have weekly calls to review your progress

Now you have to hope that someone doesn’t slam you for being rude because you asked for their vaccination card

I don’t want to go way off topic, I do want to make sure everyone understands meetings like this suck and everyone will do almost anything even letting a questionable person in to avoid another meeting. That is why this won’t work long term and certainly won’t work for all businesses

That may be true in other cities but this is NYC - bars and restaurants are proud of how willing they are to 86 people. They practically brag about it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if when people do give negative reviews for kicking out people without vaccination if the businesses respond saying 'damn right and I'll do it again if you come back.'

 

[K1052]

That may be true in other cities but this is NYC - bars and restaurants are proud of how willing they are to 86 people. They practically brag about it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if when people do give negative reviews for kicking out people without vaccination if the businesses respond saying 'damn right and I'll do it again if you come back.'

I think this is really under appreciated because NYC is kind of unique in this regard except for maybe Boston. Everywhere from the worst dive you can imagine to the finest of dining will absolutely not hesitate to literally throw you out on your ass if you're being a problem.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That may be true in other cities but this is NYC - bars and restaurants are proud of how willing they are to 86 people. They practically brag about it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if when people do give negative reviews for kicking out people without vaccination if the businesses respond saying 'damn right and I'll do it again if you come back.'

Actually what you describe is a proper (but not perfect) example.
All low scores should be addressed. Low meaning one star in this example.
Process is:
Acknowledge the problem & offer solution even if the solution costs money
Accept responsibility for problem in the above scenario it could look like “we take the safety of our guests seriously. As of now proof of vaccination is required”
“We look forward to your visit when restrictions are lifted”
Don’t offer hollow apologies, do offer solutions.
Don’t offer discounts however occasional discounts are okay but do that they messaging

 

[K1052]

Me on my way to give the maitre d' at Carbone a piece of my mind:

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Nothing more hilarious than this - why one is acceptable and the other one isn't is laughably stupid.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422611638977433607

 

[K1052]

Nothing more hilarious than this - why one is acceptable and the other one isn't is laughably stupid.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422611638977433607

I can get a vaccine and requisite proof about three blocks from my house. Photo ID? Not so much.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Nothing more hilarious than this - why one is acceptable and the other one isn't is laughably stupid.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422611638977433607

Sort of like gun buying isn’t it?