NYC Subway Incident

telstar1

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I saw something this morning that felt all wrong, and though I alerted the authorities, I feel it's worth telling all of you also. (Ignore it if you want ... I may be wrong).

I got on the R train at 59th street. As I got on, there was a muslim-looking guy that got on at the same station (dark skin, white skull-cap, black sandals, gold watch, and a silver counter ... the kind of thing bars use to track how many people come in and out). As the train pulled into the station, he was counting. He got on, I got on right after him. He sat down, and I stood next to him. As the train went between stations, he counted ... what seemed like each second. So I kept staring at him. He counted the seconds the train sat in the station, and the time between stations. So I confronted him ... asked him what he was doing .... what he was counting. He ignored me. I asked him again ... asked what he was counting the seconds for. He ignored me again, and reset his counter.

It seemed like he continued to mumble something ... maybe praying, maybe counting, maybe just cursing at me .... I don't know. My usual stop is 49th St. but I stayed on the train, hoping a cop would get on at 42nd Street. They didn't ... but the train was stopped for another reason, so I hopped off, went and told the conductor ... gave him a description of the guy, which train car he was in ... and told him what he was doing. I also went up to the ticket booth, asked the woman to call a cop, which she did ... and I told him what I saw. He gave me the number of NYC detectives to call, which I did ... and gave them a description of the guy, and told him what I saw.

I've never seen anything first-hand that felt so suspicious and just wrong. I can't conceive of a normal reason why this guy would possibly be counting. I'm hoping they alert other officers to keep their eyes open for more of the same, but it makes complete sense that train timing could be used for malicious purposes.

Maybe I'm wrong ... but I'm posting this in the hope that others will keep their eyes opened for anything similar. Maybe he was doing something completely innocuous ... and I hope I'm wrong about all of this, but I'd rather people be aware. If I see a second guy on a subway with a silver clicker, he's getting tackled and dragged to the cops.
 

PHiuR

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maybe he was counting the # of people he wanted to get with...

heh, you did the right thing tho.
 

MacBaine

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*Waits for somebody to call OP racist because he pointed out that the guy was muslim*
 

Gurck

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Well, to play Devil's Advocate he could be no more than a civil engineer or someone studying to be one. As for not responding it's possible he's a deaf/mute, was wearing headphones, or is just sick of standing out as a potential terrorist because of his race and/or religion :p That being said, I agree with you 100% and would have likely done the same thing.
 

yukichigai

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If this were before 9/11 I would have said it the guy was Schizophrenic, especially when you mentioned that he was muttering to himself. Now though I'm a little worried as well. Sure seems suspicious, I agree. You did the right thing talking to the cops though; let them decide whether he's a terrorist or a guy off his meds.

By the by, my money's on the Schizophrenic theory. If he were a terrorist he'd try his best not to stand out. He'd probably have dressed more "American" for one.
 

telstar1

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
*Waits for somebody to call OP racist because he pointed out that the guy was muslim*

Yeah ... His attire (namely the cap he was wearing) was traditional muslim clothing. I have absolutely nothing against Muslim people. It's just the most accurate physical description I could make for the guy, and I noticed his clicker before I noticed his ethnicity.
 

EvilYoda

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OR...he's banking on the fact that most people would think "he wouldn't make it so obvious". dun dun dun!
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
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You did the right thing man. :thumbsup:

Yes, you did. Thank you. If all decent people in this country do the same thing, we can beat those bastards at their own game.

I have one beer left in my fridge; if I could get it to you right now, I would. :)
 

desiplaya4life

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from what U are telling us.. u did right thing... and yea i am dark/muslim also....;) just hope u were doin it just cuz he looked like an al-queda... but from ur descrip.. he sounds like ghetto ass:laugh:


GOOD JOB!
 

AnitaPeterson

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So, let me ask you a serious, non-biased question, and I expect a truthful answer: would you have felt alarmed and alerted authorities to this extent had the guy been blond with blue eyes and pink complexion?
 

MacBaine

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
So, let me ask you a serious, non-biased question, and I expect a truthful answer: would you have felt alarmed and alerted authorities to this extent had the guy been blond with blue eyes and pink complexion?

How many terrorists do you know that fit that complexion?
 

telstar1

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
So, let me ask you a serious, non-biased question, and I expect a truthful answer: would you have felt alarmed and alerted authorities to this extent had the guy been blond with blue eyes and pink complexion?

I noticed the clicker before the man ... and that alerted me.
And yes, I probably would've asked the same question had the guy been doing that on the train.

Tomorrow, if I see a green guy clicking away, he's getting asked too...
 

sniperruff

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it's crazy... the BQE was seriously backed up in the morning because the trucks cannot go pass brooklyn bridge...

it's kind of errie to see about 50 trucks all lined up perfectly... squeezing for an exit...
 

brunswickite

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
So, let me ask you a serious, non-biased question, and I expect a truthful answer: would you have felt alarmed and alerted authorities to this extent had the guy been blond with blue eyes and pink complexion?

How many terrorists do you know that fit that complexion?

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Cattlegod

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damn, you should have grabbed him and escorted him to the police. or took his license.
 

sniperruff

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
So, let me ask you a serious, non-biased question, and I expect a truthful answer: would you have felt alarmed and alerted authorities to this extent had the guy been blond with blue eyes and pink complexion?

How many terrorists do you know that fit that complexion?

how about the KKK's... they are not exactly model citizens...
 

desiplaya4life

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
So, let me ask you a serious, non-biased question, and I expect a truthful answer: would you have felt alarmed and alerted authorities to this extent had the guy been blond with blue eyes and pink complexion?

How many terrorists do you know that fit that complexion?

many.. u never know... remember that guy who did oklahoma bombing? why did u think he did? he was white/ american citizen

and prob to an answer to anita: prob NO ... and as for me i would of done nothing prob just cuz he was white..


not to start a heated thread but you have to admit people have gone more suspicisou on middle-easterns than they were b4 9/11... which yes seems to bother us... everything is in god's fate.. all u can do is pray.. really u cant stop anyone.. it can happen out of nowhere..
 

MichaelD

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I knew the "You're singling out the Black Man" BS was going to get brought up. :roll:

These days ANYONE standing there doing something like that is going to get reported (if not jacked-up) as far as I'm concerned. No sane person wants to die, no matter what color you are. :)
 

psiu

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I would have felt creeped out by a blonde, blue-eyed, white guy....Tim McVeigh, nice Michigan Militia/US Army alum ring a bell?

Anyone doing that would have creeped me out. The OP did the right thing by telling someone....I would hope word gets around those subway officers to keep an out for it too.

How many times did the 9/11 hijackers get away things leading up to that day because people thought it was none of their business?

And if the fellow mentioned isn't a terrorist, he shouldn't have any problem saying what he was doing, and being happy someone is helping keep an eye out to keep the subway safe for everyone, including him.
 

m2kewl

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57th and lex is riddled with cops and swat w/mp5s

their protecting that church and the surrounding financial buildings!
 

JetBlack69

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
So, let me ask you a serious, non-biased question, and I expect a truthful answer: would you have felt alarmed and alerted authorities to this extent had the guy been blond with blue eyes and pink complexion?

How many terrorists do you know that fit that complexion?

1. Tim McVeigh.
 

fs5

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
So, let me ask you a serious, non-biased question, and I expect a truthful answer: would you have felt alarmed and alerted authorities to this extent had the guy been blond with blue eyes and pink complexion?

omg, just lay off the guy about being racist. :roll: