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NYC anti-knife ruling...scary

alkemyst

No Lifer
http://www.blademag.com/featured/ny...rous-implications?et_mid=639609&rid=235874484

People falsely arrested or threatened with arrest cannot sue in a federal lawsuit against New York City and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., according to a Wednesday anti-knife ruling by a U.S. District Court Judge.

If not overturned, a Knife Rights (KR) news release reported, the anti-knife ruling could have wide-ranging effects on knife enthusiasts throughout the USA, including re-classifying common folding knives as illegal “gravity knives” and/or “switchblades.”

Judge Katherine B. Forrest ruled plaintiffs falsely arrested or threatened with arrest over common pocketknives cannot sue in part because the case documents don’t specify which knives would be illegal under NYC’s interpretation of New York state law—this despite the fact NYC’s inability to specify legal and illegal knives on a consistent basis is the exact reason the case documents cannot specify which knives are legal and which knives are not!

The ruling is in response to a suit brought on June 9, 2011, by Knife Rights, Inc., John Copeland, Pedro Perez, Native Leather, Ltd., and Knife Rights Foundation, Inc., against D.A. Vance and the city of New York. The plaintiffs allege that the defendants’ “application of New York Penal Law 265.01′s prohibition on the possession of switchblade knives and gravity knives to possessors of common folding knives makes 265.01 void for vagueness under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Meanwhile, as KR reported, thousands of citizens in NYC have been arrested on “illegal” knife charges. “In at least one instance of which we are aware,” a KR release stated, “the result of the bogus arrest was that the victim’s entire knife collection was confiscated from his home,” adding that gun owners have had their firearms confiscated based on bogus knife arrests, too.

For information on how to fight Forrest’s outlandish ruling, visit www.kniferights.org. - See more at: http://www.blademag.com/featured/ny...mid=639609&rid=235874484#sthash.dapoMqWL.dpuf

These kinds of things lately are crazy.

Patriot Act was what I feel the death knoll for the government to realize our people want safety over liberty or freedom.

We are heading towards de-arming.
 
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I feel sorry for NY citizens outside of NYC. You have to live with the illogical, poorly thought-out, knee-jerk legislation created by those who don't really represent your interests or rights.

I am scared that my own state is heading down this path if a certain candidate wins the Governor's spot in November.
 
But it's for their own good!

The rights of citizens vs the state are being eroded and will be upheld as legal by the state apparatus of 'the court system'.
 
I'd imagine this will make it to the supreme court before being struck down as unconstitutional or requiring significant rewriting (explicitly describing what knifes are illegal) before it is allowed to stay a law.

No Big Gulps and no knives. NYC is sounding nicer every day!
 
Virginia is wide open with guns, but pretty strict on knives. Almost anything could be classified as a switchblade and despite all the provisions for properly carrying them, if you read the law closely you'll see that nobody can ever carry them, for any reason. Too much overlap in the definitions means all of us are breaking the law constantly.

Its annoying.
 
Meanwhile, in California:

All ninja weapons remain illegal.


Seriously though, the difference between a switchblade and a "regular" knife is one uses a spring to open. There is no reason one should remain legal and the other illegal.

I would like to know the status of ballistic knives though.

It's the shoulder thing that goes up.
 
I looked it up fully and state law can allow them, however; you cannot cross a border with them even if the next state has them legal.

Illinois has them as illegal: http://www.knifeup.com/illinois-knife-law/

I know most states specifically have them illegal. I didn't know there was federal law against it though. Funny that a knife, illegal by federal law, can be made legal by state law, but state marijuana laws don't override federal law.
 
I know most states specifically have them illegal. I didn't know there was federal law against it though. Funny that a knife, illegal by federal law, can be made legal by state law, but state marijuana laws don't override federal law.

Starting November Washington and Colorado have legalized recreational marijuana use. I am not a pot head, but Colorado has always been a bit liberal on it's weed laws.

For Colorado, there are limits with this new law like all product must be grown by the seller until next October (not sure if importing is then allowed), you can only have 1oz of it on your person and up to 6 of your own plants, and a ton more rules.
 
Starting November Washington and Colorado have legalized recreational marijuana use. I am not a pot head, but Colorado has always been a bit liberal on it's weed laws.

For Colorado, there are limits with this new law like all product must be grown by the seller until next October (not sure if importing is then allowed), you can only have 1oz of it on your person and up to 6 of your own plants, and a ton more rules.

Those laws don't negate that it is against federal law. They just won't enforce the federal law in Colorado, if I understand it correctly. Realistically, the DEA could go around arresting people in Colorado for pot, but it is unlikely they will.
 
Those laws don't negate that it is against federal law. They just won't enforce the federal law in Colorado, if I understand it correctly. Realistically, the DEA could go around arresting people in Colorado for pot, but it is unlikely they will.

It's the same as the Federal Law blanketing knives though, states can allow certain knives even though the Federal law states otherwise.
 
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Good info. My state clarified assisted opening knives recently, which is good. Generally speaking I'm OK with being limited to a 3 inch blade. That said, I have a concealed pistol license. That should include knives and open my options up...but it doesn't. Can't even own a baton here.
 
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