NY times weekend gun report

[rudeguy]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crime/shootings/020010001165.topic


Chicago and NY have the strictest gun laws anywhere and yet people still get murdered.

Why don't they make murder illegal? This would solve everything!

 

[Triumph]

thats how many people guns could possibly kill and/or injure a year.

It is impossible for guns to kill or injure, it is just a hunk of steel, aluminum, and plastic. Now people on the other hand...we should probably get rid of them.

 

[rudeguy]

It is impossible for guns to kill or injure, it is just a hunk of steel, aluminum, and plastic. Now people on the other hand...we should probably get rid of them.

I'm in favor of that.

Lets bring back the gladiators and start thinning out the herd.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Not sure what the point is,.. and, not sure why anyone would want to make a point FOR or AGAINST this data.

People are stupid. People are crazy. Crazy stupid people will do crazy stupid things.

There are ways to deter said assholes,.. but, we would rather ensure no one has video of me walking down a street at 1am, instead of capturing me commiting a crime at 1am...

But, the bottom line, is that shit heads did these things. Not responsible people, who happen to be gun owners.

 

[QuantumPion]

http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/

 

[Texashiker]

not the one i posted im sorry

so more

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

but what does the center for disease control know amirite.

You do realize suicides make up the majority of gun deaths, right?

Then there are the people who were shot by police.

Then there are the people who were shot in self defense.

When you subtract gun deaths due to suicide and police related shootings, that total number is greatly reduced.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crime/shootings/020010001165.topic


Chicago and NY have the strictest gun laws anywhere and yet people still get murdered.

Why don't they make murder illegal? This would solve everything!

In the interest of accuracy, New York is one of the safest large cities in the United States. There are relatively few murders there for the size of the city.

 

[rudeguy]

In the interest of accuracy, New York is one of the safest large cities in the United States. There are relatively few murders there for the size of the city.

I think Bloomberg found the key to reducing murders: Tax your residents into oblivion so they have to move out of your city. Problem solved!

 

[Lithium381]

You do realize suicides make up the majority of gun deaths, right?

Then there are the people who were shot by police.

Then there are the people who were shot in self defense.

When you subtract gun deaths due to suicide and police related shootings, that total number is greatly reduced.

Not to mention the vast majority are handguns. . . not the scary military style assault weapons of war with high capacity magazines and deadly barrel shrouds that spray bullets and don't belong on our streets.*




*unless carried by OUR guys.
http://masscopblock.org/boston-police-hope-acquire-semiautomatic-weapons/

 

[QuantumPion]

I think Bloomberg found the key to reducing murders: Tax your residents into oblivion so they have to move out of your city. Problem solved!

Didn't work for Detroit.

 

[bradly1101]

You do realize suicides make up the majority of gun deaths, right?

Then there are the people who were shot by police.

Then there are the people who were shot in self defense.

When you subtract gun deaths due to suicide and police related shootings, that total number is greatly reduced.

Why shouldn't those be counted or considered? Police shoot the unarmed, people misinterpret threats and shoot in self defense, and having a gun in the house makes it much easier to act on thoughts of depression and wanting to end it all. If anything I think they should count more.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Why shouldn't those be counted or considered? Police shoot the unarmed, people misinterpret threats and shoot in self defense, and having a gun in the house makes it much easier to act on thoughts of depression and wanting to end it all. If anything I think they should count more.

Police shooting the unarmed won't change if citizens aren't allowed to own guns, so that really shouldn't weigh on the statistics. People do misinterpret threats, and obviously if they weren't allowed to own guns that number would decrease dramatically, but I'm wondering how big a problem it actually is now; do you have any statistics that show that this is anything other than a minor risk? As far as depressed people committing suicide, I find that to be an incredibly uncompelling case for banning guns. Since when does protection of depressed people trump the rights of others? If we cared about depressed people, we should ramp up the war on drugs and reinstate prohibition of alcohol, as these are frequently abused by the depressed; are you in favor of those measures?

"No, sorry, you can't hunt anymore, some guy's wife just left him and we're pretty worried about his mental state."
"Couldn't you just not sell guns to him?"
"Nah, it's easier to just take them away from everybody."

 

[HumblePie]

In the interest of accuracy, New York is one of the safest large cities in the United States. There are relatively few murders there for the size of the city.

They also have a massive police force that is constantly out in force and using a law, "stop and frisk," which may not actually pass Constitutional mustard when it reaches SCOTUS.

You can cut down on all forms of crime when you have police damn near everywhere and frisking every black, hispanic, and middle easterner in sight. But it's not racist.. no..

They are also using newer technologies like "crime prevention" through projection analysis. They send tons of cops to one area where they think the next set of crimes will occur based upon crime statistics of past criminal activities. They flood an area with cops and the criminal populace does take note. Especially when that large amount of cops in the area stop and frisk everyone in sight.

 

[Lithium381]

Police shooting the unarmed won't change if citizens aren't allowed to own guns, so that really shouldn't weigh on the statistics. People do misinterpret threats, and obviously if they weren't allowed to own guns that number would decrease dramatically, but I'm wondering how big a problem it actually is now; do you have any statistics that show that this is anything other than a minor risk? As far as depressed people committing suicide, I find that to be an incredibly uncompelling case for banning guns. Since when does protection of depressed people trump the rights of others? If we cared about depressed people, we should ramp up the war on drugs and reinstate prohibition of alcohol, as these are frequently abused by the depressed; are you in favor of those measures?

"No, sorry, you can't hunt anymore, some guy's wife just left him and we're pretty worried about his mental state."
"Couldn't you just not sell guns to him?"
"Nah, it's easier to just take them away from everybody."

got a chuckle. . . .that's how it works. The slow erosion of rights until we're all "equal".. remember the commie slogan: "Forward!"