NY motorcyclist dies on ride protesting helmet law

[JSt0rm]

The country should not have to support someone. If he bought insurance and stuck with the rules then they should.

If not, then he dies.

But thats not how it works. In reality we would all pay for this vegetable for the next 40 years.

 

[alkemyst]

But thats not how it works. In reality we would all pay for this vegetable for the next 40 years.

I suggest voting to change that.

It looks like you have accepted it though.

 

[davmat787]

it's not fatal because there's no other traffic and they just slide into completely flat grass. No obstacles to run in to.

Sure that too, and they would not be able to do so if they were wearing a seatbelt as someone mentioned.

First, MotoGP race crashes are, for the most, controlled. Most of the time the riders simply push the bike away from themselves (if its there to push) and slide into the padded barrier, and get up and walk away. Which brings me to my 2nd comment...being strapped to a bike would INCREASE fatalities. The fact a 600-850 pound bike isnt rolling over you, or crushing you when you might hit a barrier, is what can save a life.

Sorry if I was not clear, this is what I was getting at. Being belted in on a motorcycle is a recipe for increased fatalities.

 

[JSt0rm]

I suggest voting to change that.

It looks like you have accepted it though.

So no more medicaid? There are many reasons why this would be a horrible idea.

How about since we have to pay for everyone anyhow we go with a single payer system that drives costs down by removing the for profit insurance scheme and the bureaucracy and death panels set up by the industry? No? Not "American" enough? Don't want your freedom to die and be poor taken away? These are not the droids your looking for 🙂

 

[alkemyst]

So no more medicaid? There are many reasons why this would be a horrible idea.

How about since we have to pay for everyone anyhow we go with a single payer system that drives costs down by removing the for profit insurance scheme and the bureaucracy and death panels set up by the industry? No? Not "American" enough? Don't want your freedom to die and be poor taken away? These are not the droids your looking for 🙂

Only that people fear the poor rising up against them.

America is a capitalist nation, if you want to be supported move.

 

[JSt0rm]

Only that people fear the poor rising up against them.

America is a capitalist nation, if you want to be supported move.

I dont fear the poor rising up. Much easier to indoctrinate them into their current situation.

When I look around I see capitalism for you and me but not for others, and that my friend is not capitalism. I'm not talking about supporting people. I'm not talking about welfare. I'm talking about sensible policy to save us all money.

 

[blackangst1]

Sure that too, and they would not be able to do so if they were wearing a seatbelt as someone mentioned.



Sorry if I was not clear, this is what I was getting at. Being belted in on a motorcycle is a recipe for increased fatalities.

My bad then :thumbsup:

 

[alkemyst]

I dont fear the poor rising up. Much easier to indoctrinate them into their current situation.

When I look around I see capitalism for you and me but not for others, and that my friend is not capitalism. I'm not talking about supporting people. I'm not talking about welfare. I'm talking about sensible policy to save us all money.

You realize welfare and the like was created out of that fear though right?

Keeping the poor happy/calm is a principal matter. Personally I'd just deal with them as they rise up with no quarter offered.

 

[JSt0rm]

You realize welfare and the like was created out of that fear though right?

Keeping the poor happy/calm is a principal matter. Personally I'd just deal with them as they rise up with no quarter offered.

Of course you would :whiste: another internet hard ass.

 

[her209]

Only that people fear the poor rising up against them.

America is a capitalist nation, if you want to be supported move.

America is only capitalist to a point. See bankruptcy laws. Why should someone be allowed to be absolved of debt that they incurred? See limited liability laws. Why shouldn't someone lose their house because the business they owned or are a partner in screwed up?

 

[woolfe9999]

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-motorcyclist-dies-ride-protesting-helmet-law-143217859.html



Maybe it's not a bad thing if we let people kill themselves from their own stupidity? My only concern is if this guy became a vegetable whether state would have had to pay for him.

In other places in the world, and in our times long past, people complained about serious political repression, torture, sedition laws, extreme renditioning. Nowadays we ride in protest of laws that require us to wear helmuts or face a small fine.

We have truly become a nation of self-centered infants.

 

[some_guy]

Exactly.

IMO we shouldn't even need things like seatbelt and helmet laws. But unfortunately people are idiots and need laws to protect them from their own stupidity.

People kind of go along with the flow and later they improve that. Laws try to make going along with the flow safe until people can make good decisions.

By the way, the cost of a seat belt infraction is pretty small in most states.
http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/seatbelt_laws.html

 

[BarneyFife]

You realize welfare and the like was created out of that fear though right?

Keeping the poor happy/calm is a principal matter. Personally I'd just deal with them as they rise up with no quarter offered.

You're too stupid to realize that you're one of the subsidized poor.

 

[alkemyst]

You're too stupid to realize that you're one of the subsidized poor.

Not sure what you mean, I fall above the top 20% in income though.

 

[trenchfoot]

I don't see much sense in creating laws that infringe on the rights of people that want to risk life and limb to live in those moments that give them the emotional kicks they're yearning for. Having laws in place is just more motivation for these folks to go farther into idiotland than they normally would.

There already are an infinite number of ways in our society that allows for us to seek the thrill of "almost" killing ourselves, including riding overpowered two wheeled screamers, buck nekkid, if need be.

It's when these folks jeporadize the lives and limbs of others in their pursuit of freedom of choice that I get upset over, especially when their actions threaten my wife and kids, and especially on our public thoroughfares.

I ride a cherished Harley myself, but I do ride it responsibly. I got my ya-ya's riding dirt bikes (or used to, as I do have kids and a mortgage to fret over) where I'm not threatening anyones' health except my own. But I have seen guys on rice rockets passing me by on the freeway doing wheelie's and having them almost crash in front of me because they didn't take into account how strong the wind gusts were at the time, or zipping through traffic over 100mph and then catching up to them through the traffic jam they'd caused from crashing themselves into things that got in their way.

 

[mrjminer]

Not sure what you mean, I fall above the top 20% in income though.

Damn man, you must be pretty wealthy for them to not even include you in the 100%.

 

[BarneyFife]

Not sure what you mean, I fall above the top 20% in income though.

And I fall above the top 10%. Do you see me coming here saying fuck the less fortunate and acting like I got money. I don't have money and since you make less than me, I know you don't have money either. Stop trying to act like you're one of the elites. You're just a worker like everyone else.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Why is it that most of those that are screaming for helmet laws and government to save us from ourselves, are the very same people that are screaming to legalize drugs?

The government that governs least, governs best. Freedom is a messy thing.

Ignoring your first statement, where is there proof for your second?

 

[Macamus Prime]

If this was Mississippi, they would arrest the corpse and placed it on trail for breaking the law.

And, if this was Texas, civilians would have shot at the corpse 1st, the cops would have arrested the corpse (after pumping a few rounds into it as well) and sentance the corpse to be executed.

 

[piasabird]

Just outlaw all motorcycles and bicycles. People dont need no stinking freedom! Why would the state have to pay to keep people alive if they have a vehicle accident????

 

[piasabird]

Most states require insurance before you can operate a motor vehicle (i.e. Motorcycle). People can be critically injured rollerscating, crossing the street, working on the farm, going to park, riding on a rollercoaster, skiing down the mountain, mountain climbing, riding horses, etc. People should have a right to die if they do something stupid.

 

[dmcowen674]

NY motorcyclist dies on ride protesting helmet law

Good for him.

He died his choice, his way. :thumbsup:

 

[werepossum]

We don't need these laws. If your stupidity doesn't impact the rest of us, then it should be ok. If he had become a vegetable instead, the state should not be expected to foot his medical bills. Also, more organs for the rest of us.

Made me laugh. But who wants Darwin Award winner organs?

I've had one helmet ground through the color coat on the jawline and one helmet completely shattered. (Yeah, that explains a lot of things, right?) I still support one's right to ride without a helmet or eye protection though. It helps me identify fellow riders who might well be about to do something else stupid so that I can give them a wider berth.

In other places in the world, and in our times long past, people complained about serious political repression, torture, sedition laws, extreme renditioning. Nowadays we ride in protest of laws that require us to wear helmuts or face a small fine.

We have truly become a nation of self-centered infants.

Good point.

 

[Keeper]

And I fall above the top 10%. Do you see me coming here saying fuck the less fortunate and acting like I got money. I don't have money and since you make less than me, I know you don't have money either. Stop trying to act like you're one of the elites. You're just a worker like everyone else.

(Insert golf clap here)

Bravo..... Bravo..... :thumbsup:

I cant find my beer "Smiley" but I will surely buy you one.

 

[Throckmorton]

Why is it that most of those that are screaming for helmet laws and government to save us from ourselves, are the very same people that are screaming to legalize drugs?

The government that governs least, governs best. Freedom is a messy thing.

I don't want all drugs legalized, only harmless ones.