Nvidia's ULI acquisition may mean it has Chipset Problems

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

From theInq:

quote:

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. . . that theory is pretty easy to discount. There are much better ways to annoy the competition for $52 million. And ULI is not supplying south bridges to ATI, it's supplying them to motherboard manufacturers which would make it a very indirect way of annoying the competition. Going a step further, it will be several months before every detail of the ULI acquisition is finalised giving ATI plenty of time to get its own south bridge back on track. . .
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ATi already has a big share of the MB market . . .

the conspiracy theory is that ATI - formerly maker of so-so MBs - SUDDENLY got "good" PLUS a big share of the low-end market . . . did they "steal" engineers away from nVidia or Intel?

that is the theory.

Appopin, I did read the entire article - the day It was published. Unlike you, I put very little stock in anything the Inq may have to say (they could state the sky is blue and grass is green, but I wouldn't believe them without credible, independent verification).

ATi may have decent market penetration so far as notebook motherboards are concerned, but their mainstream motherboard marketshare is not nearly so large. Certainly none of the (nationwide) distributors I source components from bother to stock any ATi motherboards at any pricepoint.

If ATi "stole" engineers from anywhere it would be Intel, not nVidia imho, given that Intel is known to have provided ATi with engineering assistance throughout the R300 era and there is a partnership/alliance between the two regarding integrated graphics for motherboards that use Intel CPU's.

so you are not disagreeing with the conspiracy theory?
:Q

and you have no idea what i really put "stock" in. 😉

Merry Christmas!, nVidian

😀

ATI strikes deal with Intel, delivers Xpress 200 IGP for Intel boards

ATI to ship hundreds of thousands of Pentium 4 chipsets

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

ATI strikes deal with Intel, delivers Xpress 200 IGP for Intel boards

ATI to ship hundreds of thousands of Pentium 4 chipsets

Wowee! Three month old "news" about ATIs ghetto chipset deal with Intel! What's next for Apoppin- a link to an old MAXX review titled "ATI scientists fabricate first dual GPU graphics powerhouse"?!

:laugh:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

ATI strikes deal with Intel, delivers Xpress 200 IGP for Intel boards

ATI to ship hundreds of thousands of Pentium 4 chipsets

Wowee! Three month old "news" about ATIs ghetto chipset deal with Intel! What's next for Apoppin- a link to an old MAXX review titled "ATI scientists fabricate first dual GPU graphics powerhouse"?!

:laugh:

three months . . . that IS ancient 😛
:roll:

the news just goes to show the penetration that ATi accomplished very quickly . . . as usual, you miss the point, Rollo, while contributing nothing to the thread but ridicule.

And then you run away . . . like the other thread where you NEVER adressed your ridiculous statement that - my rig is PATHETIC with a 9800xt but a slower rig with a $200 nVidia card is FINE.
:thumbsdown:

 

[g3pro]

ULI acquisition may mean ATi is screwed in getting its chipsets to market.

Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: g3pro
ULI acquisition may mean ATi is screwed in getting its chipsets to market.

Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

Howz' that?
They dont buy ANYthing from ULI . . . only some of their partners do.

and it will be MONTHS beforenVidia's acquisition is finalized . . . ATi has a LONG time to FIX their SB . . .

theInq article is just excerpted . . . but what i quoted 'covers' this.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: g3pro
Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: g3pro
Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

:roll:

You should change your unique in the world sig to read
Creig for Mod
Won't bore you by speaking

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: g3pro
Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

:roll:

You should change your unique in the world sig to read
Creig for Mod
Won't bore you by speaking

:roll:

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: g3pro
ULI acquisition may mean ATi is screwed in getting its chipsets to market.

Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

Howz' that?
They dont buy ANYthing from ULI . . . only some of their partners do.

and it will be MONTHS beforenVidia's acquisition is finalized . . . ATi has a LONG time to FIX their SB . . .

theInq article is just excerpted . . . but what i quoted 'covers' this.

Longer than months, its not until 2007.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: g3pro
ULI acquisition may mean ATi is screwed in getting its chipsets to market.

Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

Howz' that?
They dont buy ANYthing from ULI . . . only some of their partners do.

and it will be MONTHS beforenVidia's acquisition is finalized . . . ATi has a LONG time to FIX their SB . . .

theInq article is just excerpted . . . but what i quoted 'covers' this.

Longer than months, its not until 2007.

uh, 13 months?

:Q

i think even ATi can figure how to fix their SB by then . . . their current chipsets are pretty good

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: g3pro
ULI acquisition may mean ATi is screwed in getting its chipsets to market.

Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

Howz' that?
They dont buy ANYthing from ULI . . . only some of their partners do.

and it will be MONTHS beforenVidia's acquisition is finalized . . . ATi has a LONG time to FIX their SB . . .

theInq article is just excerpted . . . but what i quoted 'covers' this.

Longer than months, its not until 2007.

uh, 13 months?

:Q

i think even ATi can figure how to fix their SB by then . . . their current chipsets are pretty good

You reckon? I'll believe it when I see it - ATi has been trying to compete since nForce1 days. Their SB was crap then and its crap now.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You reckon? I'll believe it when I see it - ATi has been trying to compete since nForce1 days. They SB was ****** then and its ****** now.

QFT Saying "ATI will fix their SB soon!" is wishful thinking. Anything can happen, but they haven't been able to figure it out yet.

 

[Gstanfor]

IIRC, no-one (out of the very few wiiining to even consider the chipset) was willing to use the ATi SB. Some even had plans to use a VIA SB instead. Hint to engineers: you *KNOW* your design sucks when other engineers resort to subsitituting VIA for your design.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
IIRC, no-one (out of the very few wiiining to even consider the chipset) was willing to use the ATi SB. Some even had plans to use a VIA SB instead. Hint to engineers: you *KNOW* your design sucks when other engineers resort to subsitituting VIA for your design.

LOL- what happened to those guys? I had a Via K8T chipset board back in the day that I really liked, bizarre "4in1" drivers and all.

ATI has some hard times ahead if they don't figure out the SB and nVidia decides not to sell to them.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You reckon? I'll believe it when I see it - ATi has been trying to compete since nForce1 days. They SB was ****** then and its ****** now.

QFT Saying "ATI will fix their SB soon!" is wishful thinking. Anything can happen, but they haven't been able to figure it out yet.

Quit saying they won't . . . since they have to, they will . . . now that they [apparently] acquired some decent MB engineers [from nVidia or Intel :Q] . . . i think they can figure it out in the next YEAR or so . . . lots of time before ULI stops selling SBs to ATi's partners . . .

and what is

******

?
😕

give us a hint, Gstanfor😛



😀

 

[nRollo]

FUD Originally posted by: apoppin
Quit saying they won't . . . since they have to, they will . . .

I love it when fans say they have to do something, like that magically means they can do it. They've been trying for years now, but now that they have to do it, they will!
:laugh:

FUD Originally posted by: apoppin
now that they [apparently] acquired some decent MB engineers [from nVidia or Intel :Q]

Of course, with no source at all, just pulled out of air. "Things are getting a little better, so they they must have stolen nVidia or Intel engineers!" :roll:
Yeah, none have graduated college or switched industries lately, and it's not possible their own staff have had a good idea!

FUD Originally posted by: apoppin
. . . i think they can figure it out in the next YEAR or so . . .

Hey, as long as the whole post so far is wishful thinking and guesses, why not? Sometimes the fans aim too low though, when you're just posting FUD, you have no reason not to go over the top and post something like "I predict within one year ATIs crack team will have put nVidia, Intel, VIA, and SIS out of business!"
Has just as much validity and basis in logic as the rest of this malarky that all boils down to:
"I'm Apoppin. I think everything will be swell for ATI next year!"

FUD Originally posted by: apoppin
lots of time before ULI stops selling SBs to ATi's partners . . .

Since we have no idea how long it will take them to master the SB, or if nVidia will stop selling them to them, more pointless fluff. (and the emoticons don't make it true)

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: g3pro
ULI acquisition may mean ATi is screwed in getting its chipsets to market.

Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

Howz' that?
They dont buy ANYthing from ULI . . . only some of their partners do.

and it will be MONTHS beforenVidia's acquisition is finalized . . . ATi has a LONG time to FIX their SB . . .

theInq article is just excerpted . . . but what i quoted 'covers' this.

Longer than months, its not until 2007.

uh, 13 months?

:Q

i think even ATi can figure how to fix their SB by then . . . their current chipsets are pretty good

You reckon? I'll believe it when I see it - ATi has been trying to compete since nForce1 days. Their SB was crap then and its crap now.

Umm....ati has only had chipsets since 2004.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

FUD Originally posted by: apoppin
Quit saying they won't . . . since they have to, they will . . .

I love it when fans say they have to do something, like that magically means they can do it. They've been trying for years now, but now that they have to do it, they will!
:laugh:

FUD Originally posted by: apoppin
now that they [apparently] acquired some decent MB engineers [from nVidia or Intel :Q]

Of course, with no source at all, just pulled out of air. "Things are getting a little better, so they they must have stolen nVidia or Intel engineers!" :roll:
Yeah, none have graduated college or switched industries lately, and it's not possible their own staff have had a good idea!

FUD Originally posted by: apoppin
. . . i think they can figure it out in the next YEAR or so . . .

Hey, as long as the whole post so far is wishful thinking and guesses, why not? Sometimes the fans aim too low though, when you're just posting FUD, you have no reason not to go over the top and post something like "I predict within one year ATIs crack team will have put nVidia, Intel, VIA, and SIS out of business!"
Has just as much validity and basis in logic as the rest of this malarky that all boils down to:
"I'm Apoppin. I think everything will be swell for ATI next year!"

FUD Originally posted by: apoppin
lots of time before ULI stops selling SBs to ATi's partners . . .

Since we have no idea how long it will take them to master the SB, or if nVidia will stop selling them to them, more pointless fluff. (and the emoticons don't make it true)

every single thing you posted in this thread is FUD, Rollo

especially MISquoting me and putting words in my mouth

but then you will likely run away . . . like the last thread where you couldn't justify your RIDICULOUS assertion that my rig was PATHETIC - whereas a similar but slower rig with a $200 nVidia card was FINE

i just quoted theInq . . . read the story again . . . and you will see that it is a conspiracy theory about the "ATi Engineers" . . . . similar to most of your threads - but with a different spin. . . . i guess you don't like it when someone else does it. 😛

Your FUD, bias and HW elitism is too obvious
:thumbsdown:

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: g3pro
ULI acquisition may mean ATi is screwed in getting its chipsets to market.

Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

Howz' that?
They dont buy ANYthing from ULI . . . only some of their partners do.

and it will be MONTHS beforenVidia's acquisition is finalized . . . ATi has a LONG time to FIX their SB . . .

theInq article is just excerpted . . . but what i quoted 'covers' this.

Longer than months, its not until 2007.

uh, 13 months?

:Q

i think even ATi can figure how to fix their SB by then . . . their current chipsets are pretty good

You reckon? I'll believe it when I see it - ATi has been trying to compete since nForce1 days. Their SB was crap then and its crap now.

Umm....ati has only had chipsets since 2004.

Ummm... yeah - riiiiiiight!!!

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: g3pro
ULI acquisition may mean ATi is screwed in getting its chipsets to market.

Merry Christmas, ATidiots!

Howz' that?
They dont buy ANYthing from ULI . . . only some of their partners do.

and it will be MONTHS beforenVidia's acquisition is finalized . . . ATi has a LONG time to FIX their SB . . .

theInq article is just excerpted . . . but what i quoted 'covers' this.

Longer than months, its not until 2007.

uh, 13 months?

:Q

i think even ATi can figure how to fix their SB by then . . . their current chipsets are pretty good

You reckon? I'll believe it when I see it - ATi has been trying to compete since nForce1 days. Their SB was crap then and its crap now.

Umm....ati has only had chipsets since 2004.

Ummm... yeah - riiiiiiight!!!

Oh wow, guess they just took until 2004 to get into an actual product. (though they may have had a laptop prescence)

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Fox5
Oh wow, guess they just took until 2004 to get into an actual product. (though they may have had a laptop prescence)

Nope, according to the article, they've been making chipsets since 2000!

Rewinding back about 2 years ago, ATI announced their first PC core logic solution - the S1-370 TL. This Pentium III chipset featured an integrated GPU manufactured by ArtX whom ATI acquired earlier in that year. Even more interesting was the fact that the S1-370 TL features a 128-bit memory bus much like today's nForce 420-D. Granted that back then the memory type of choice was conventional PC100 or PC133 SDRAM, offering 2.1GB/s of memory bandwidth at the beginning of 2000 was a big deal.

ATIs been trying to get the SB right for over SIX YEARS!

Intended as a direct competitor for the i815e chip from Intel, it found its way onto only a small number of boards for the Chinese market.

LOL- back then they were buying NBs!

 

[apoppin]

http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=25483

NVIDIA ULi Acquisition Interview:

Our friend over at FiringSquad have posted an interview with NVIDIA's Drew Henry on their surprise acqusition of ULi. What plans does NVIDIA actually have for ULi and its engineers? What will become of ULi's partnership with ATI? FiringSquad tries to get those questions and more answered:

FiringSquad: What are the strengths that ULi will bring to NVIDIA?
Drew Henry: The acquisition will significantly enhance NVIDIA's core logic/MCP design team and overall business. It will also significantly strengthen NVIDIA's sales, marketing, and customer engineering presence in Taiwan and China, critical business and engineering hubs for the PC industry. In addition, NVIDIA will acquire a suite of products and technology that are complementary to our current MCP business. NVIDIA will also be able to leverage ULi's world class team for the design of future NVIDIA products.

 

[apoppin]

Looking Ahead - RD580 & Manta

. . . ATI is already far along in the development of their next chipset, called ATI RD580. We recently had an opportunity to spend two days testing the new RD580 Crossfire motherboard, code-named Manta, and to directly compare the RD580 Dual X16 chipset with the recently reviewed Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe featuring the nVidia Dual x16 chipset. The comparison included both single and dual video card head-to-head testing with 7800GTX SLI (running 81.87 drivers) and X1800XT Crossfire (running Catalyst 5.11).. . .
We can, however, talk in general terms about performance. Those of you who believe ATI is far behind nVidia are in for a surprise.

SATA2 and Fast USB for the ATI Chipset

We were extremely impressed with the performance of the new ATI Radeon Xpress 200 for AMD in Crossfire dual video versions in ATI's Crossfire: Best Overclocker on the Market? and single video versions in Sapphire PURE Innovation - ATI's Chipset for the AMD Enthusiast. The Reference Boards showed the Xpress 200 for AMD to be a top-notch chipset aimed at the enthusiast with performance to match. However, we found an Achilles heel in our initial testing; namely, sub-par UBS 2.0 performance on the ATI SB450 South Bridge and the lack of up-to-date storage features like support for SATA2 and NCQ. . . .

Those who are concerned about USB performance or SATA2 and NCQ will now be able to choose ATI chipset boards that use the ULi M1575 South Bridge. If these are not critical features in your choice, you can still choose a board with the SB450 South Bridge. Both feature excellent Azalia HD audio - the first chipsets to feature HD audio for the AMD processor. Both also feature excellent IDE and SATA performance.

ATI?s Crossfire: Best Overclocker on the Market?

When AnandTech looked at the introduction of RX480/RS480 chipsets for AMD last November, we found the performance of the new chipsets to be very impressive. ATI had done a particularly excellent job targeting the enthusiast for the new chipset launch, but that realization seemed to come late in the chipset development process. This meant that this excellent chipset was largely ignored by motherboard manufacturers who had already pegged the new ATI parts for Micro ATX integrated video. . . .
The ATI Crossfire AMD is not the perfect enthusiast board, but it is very close. We are frankly disappointed in the mediocre USB performance. ATI tells us that will be corrected with SB600 in about 6 months, but the correction will likely come much sooner with the ULi M1675 Southbridge that features decent USB and full SATA2 support.

. . . the SB400 south bridge was eventually designed by ULi. ULi's version of SB400 ships with all Xpress 200 motherboards available right now, but optimistic claims that within a month or so ATI's new south bridge, SB450, will start bundling with their existing and next generation core logics.

no FUD like Rollo's last post . . . just the pure facts . . expect a stable ATI SB "soon" - according to Anand's Article, ati themsselves pointed to March '06 - . . . the only weakness in an otherwise great chipset.
:thumbsup:



edited

 

[Gstanfor]

If you check my thread (I don't understand why this thread was created & I seem to recall the mods closing another + posting a warning not to open any more threads on the subject in my thread...) you'll notice I reported the nVidia interview days ago.

Originally posted by: apoppin
Looking Ahead - RD580 & Manta

. . . ATI is already far along in the development of their next chipset, called ATI RD580. We recently had an opportunity to spend two days testing the new RD580 Crossfire motherboard, code-named Manta, and to directly compare the RD580 Dual X16 chipset with the recently reviewed Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe featuring the nVidia Dual x16 chipset. The comparison included both single and dual video card head-to-head testing with 7800GTX SLI (running 81.87 drivers) and X1800XT Crossfire (running Catalyst 5.11).. . .
We can, however, talk in general terms about performance. Those of you who believe ATI is far behind nVidia are in for a surprise.

SATA2 and Fast USB for the ATI Chipset

We were extremely impressed with the performance of the new ATI Radeon Xpress 200 for AMD in Crossfire dual video versions in ATI's Crossfire: Best Overclocker on the Market? and single video versions in Sapphire PURE Innovation - ATI's Chipset for the AMD Enthusiast. The Reference Boards showed the Xpress 200 for AMD to be a top-notch chipset aimed at the enthusiast with performance to match. However, we found an Achilles heel in our initial testing; namely, sub-par UBS 2.0 performance on the ATI SB450 South Bridge and the lack of up-to-date storage features like support for SATA2 and NCQ. . . .

Those who are concerned about USB performance or SATA2 and NCQ will now be able to choose ATI chipset boards that use the ULi M1575 South Bridge. If these are not critical features in your choice, you can still choose a board with the SB450 South Bridge. Both feature excellent Azalia HD audio - the first chipsets to feature HD audio for the AMD processor. Both also feature excellent IDE and SATA performance.

ATI?s Crossfire: Best Overclocker on the Market?

When AnandTech looked at the introduction of RX480/RS480 chipsets for AMD last November, we found the performance of the new chipsets to be very impressive. ATI had done a particularly excellent job targeting the enthusiast for the new chipset launch, but that realization seemed to come late in the chipset development process. This meant that this excellent chipset was largely ignored by motherboard manufacturers who had already pegged the new ATI parts for Micro ATX integrated video. . . .
The ATI Crossfire AMD is not the perfect enthusiast board, but it is very close. We are frankly disappointed in the mediocre USB performance. ATI tells us that will be corrected with SB600 in about 6 months, but the correction will likely come much sooner with the ULi M1675 Southbridge that features decent USB and full SATA2 support.

. . . the SB400 south bridge was eventually designed by ULi. ULi's version of SB400 ships with all Xpress 200 motherboards available right now, but optimistic claims that within a month or so ATI's new south bridge, SB450, will start bundling with their existing and next generation core logics.

no FUD like Rollo's last post . . . just the pure facts . . expect a stable ATI SB "soon" - according to Anand's Article, ati themsselves pointed to March '06 - . . . the only weakness in an otherwise great chipset.
:thumbsup:



edited

Until all this is shipped and working as advertised it isn't fact, just speculation, and there has been plenty of positive speculations about ATi chipsets before that have turned out to have no basis in reality.

Like I said before, I'll believe it when I can see it. Hopefully ATi may get it right this time, but they are up against their own past.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
If you check my thread (I don't understand why this thread was created & I seem to recall the mods closing another + posting a warning not to open any more threads on the subject in my thread...) you'll notice I reported the nVidia interview days ago.

Originally posted by: apoppin
Looking Ahead - RD580 & Manta
. . .

. . . the SB400 south bridge was eventually designed by ULi. ULi's version of SB400 ships with all Xpress 200 motherboards available right now, but optimistic claims that within a month or so ATI's new south bridge, SB450, will start bundling with their existing and next generation core logics.

no FUD like Rollo's last post . . . just the pure facts . . expect a stable ATI SB "soon" - according to Anand's Article, ati themsselves pointed to March '06 - . . . the only weakness in an otherwise great chipset.
:thumbsup:



edited

Until all this is shipped and working as advertised it isn't fact, just speculation, and there has been plenty of positive speculations about ATi chipsets before that have turned out to have no basis in reality.

Like I said before, I'll believe it when I can see it. Hopefully ATi may get it right this time, but they are up against their own past.

i have no objection to your 'see it to believe it' attitude . . . that is normal. otoh, i object to Rollo's FUD that say it is impossible for ATi to get anything right.

This topic was posted by me purely as a "conspiracy theory" . . . "news" from theInq . . . nothing more . . . the thing that IS noted: 'ATi's chipsets went from mediocre to excellent', rather suddenly . . . rather like when they came up with their surprising and outstanding r300. . . . after rather so-so GPUs.
:Q

. . . "soon" after ATi acquired ArtX in '00.
:shocked:

😉