Nvidia's Pascal in 2016... any guesses on pricing?

[pooptastic]

Shot in the dark i guess, but i'm saving my nickles and dimes to upgrade my 670 to a newer Pascal Nvidia next year.

Though, with cards like the 980ti out now, the price on the thing is a LOT higher than i feel comfortable spending.

I guess we don't know much, maybe some are HBM2, maybe GDDR5X, etc. I just want to know if i might need to also sell a kidney in addition to slowly saving up for one.

Oop, forgot to mention, kinda want to upgrade for VR that's out next year. Since that's kind of unknown or $400+, that eats into the budget too.

 

[boozzer]

it will be the same or higher. I would love to be wrong.

 

[tviceman]

I'm guessing the successor to GM204 launches first in Q2 2016 with 8gb 12ghz GDDR5X vram, 35-40% faster than Titan X at 4K for $599-649. I'm also guessing there will be two cut additional SKU's based off the same chip for $499-529 and $399-449.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I would guess all AMD and NVidia 14/16FF products will cost slightly more due to increased cost and inflation. 650 becomes 700-750 etc.

 

[Mondozei]

Pascal is an entire family of products. It largely depends which Pascal we're talking about. GP104 or GP100? And even within each of them, there are various segments. It's too broad a question to answer.

Honestly, from a 670, you should be fine with middle-of-the-road Pascal GP104 which is likely going to be quite a bit more powerful than today's GTX 980, probably closer to the 980 Ti(but not quite there).

That's an enormous upgrade. Don't splash cash on a 980 Ti today.

In my view, you probably should have upgraded a year ago or so when the 290s were dirt cheap as a stopgap, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that...

 

[tviceman]

Pascal is an entire family of products. It largely depends which Pascal we're talking about. GP104 or GP100? And even within each of them, there are various segments. It's too broad a question to answer.

Honestly, from a 670, you should be fine with middle-of-the-road Pascal GP104 which is likely going to be quite a bit more powerful than today's GTX 980, probably closer to the 980 Ti(but not quite there).

That's an enormous upgrade. Don't splash cash on a 980 Ti today.

In my view, you probably should have upgraded a year ago or so when the 290s were dirt cheap as a stopgap, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that...

Why wouldn't GP104 be more powerful than the 980 TI? Every middle tier chip Nvidia has released since Fermi beat the previous flagship chip in performance. GF114 beat GT200b, GK104 beat GF110, and GM204 beat GK110. I see no reason why GP104 can't easily continue this trend.

 

[IEC]

Pascal is an entire family of products. It largely depends which Pascal we're talking about. GP104 or GP100? And even within each of them, there are various segments. It's too broad a question to answer.

Honestly, from a 670, you should be fine with middle-of-the-road Pascal GP104 which is likely going to be quite a bit more powerful than today's GTX 980, probably closer to the 980 Ti(but not quite there).

That's an enormous upgrade. Don't splash cash on a 980 Ti today.

In my view, you probably should have upgraded a year ago or so when the 290s were dirt cheap as a stopgap, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that...

If you are in the US, 290/X and 390/X still routinely go on sale for as low as $220 for the 390 (just a few days ago) and $320 for the 390X (again, just a few days ago).

 

[tweakboy]

Wait until UT4 final comes out, then make decisions. gl

 

[Keysplayr]

I don't see pricing that has been present the last two generations changing anytime soon.
Echoing what was said above. GP104 - 549.00. GP100 Titan 1000.00 and cut version GeForce at 649 - 699.
Next gen GTX970 for 349 to 399. Another best seller.

 

[crisium]

If they keep the same naming scheme I think we'll see GTX 700 series pricing. $650 for the x80, $400 for the x70, and $250 for the x60. So a $50-$100 increase over GTX 900 launch prices. The x60 will more or less match the GTX 980, the x70 will slightly beat the Titan X, and the x80 will be the new performance king. Nvidia will target 8GB across the board except for the x60 which will be 4GB only at least initially. They will need room for a 16GB or 32GB Titan X successor to look like it has a ton of VRAM to spare, as has become typical.

 

[jpiniero]

Depends on how big the chips are. I actually only think you are going to see GP100 GDDR5 in 2016 (along with respins of Maxwell 2) because of HBM2 availability issues, but we will see.

 

[tviceman]

Depends on how big the chips are. I actually only think you are going to see GP100 GDDR5 in 2016 (along with respins of Maxwell 2) because of HBM2 availability issues, but we will see.

Nvidia hasn't respun a chip since g92b, back in 2009. I doubt they will respin any Maxwell chips.

 

[pooptastic]

Well if a mid-range pascal is close to a 980ti in performance that's going to be great for me. Thanks for the replies!

 

[master_shake_]

judging by nvidia history.

little pascal 550

big pascal 1000+

or if you're canadian

899 for little

1399 for big.

 

[psolord]

I am expecting 15% more performance with 15% less money, compared to what we have today, but with much lower power consumption.

Meaning, they will be saving on transistors for the first iteration of the next fab process, so they can add more for the second and/or third iteration.

 

[Shmee]

Nvidia hasn't respun a chip since g92b, back in 2009. I doubt they will respin any Maxwell chips.

I thought the 770 was a re-spun 680?

 

[ShintaiDK]

I thought the 770 was a re-spun 680?

It was just a rebrand.

 

[Creig]

Nvidia's Pascal in 2016... any guesses on pricing?

As per usual Nvidia policy, probably too much for what you'd be getting.

 

[tential]

As per usual Nvidia policy, probably too much for what you'd be getting.

Well considering amd will be after nvidia probably, I'd pay a premium to not have to wait ages for amd to release its competing product, then update the drivers for said product to get the maximum performance.

 

[blastingcap]

Well considering amd will be after nvidia probably, I'd pay a premium to not have to wait ages for amd to release its competing product, then update the drivers for said product to get the maximum performance.

My prediction is that NV will only modestly change bang for the buck over the previous generation. So whatever the GTX 980 Ti bang for the buck is, I expect that a Pascal card that performs at that level will sell for only a little less than what a GTX 980 Ti costs today. Your cost savings is in not having to use more electricity. And for lower-powered PSU people, you also don't have to buy a bigger PSU.

That said, I don't game much anymore and am entirely willing to wait in the hopes that I'll be proven wrong. A lot is going to depend on what AMD brings to the table.

 

[pooptastic]

I had (and still have) a 6950 bios flashed as a 6970 which I really liked a lot.

I'll be happy to see what AMD might come up with. Nvidia's marketing is just good at getting people kinda ruffled up over Pascal.

 

[dark zero]

As for GDDR5X they might slightly increase at best 10%. However on HBM2 desings, expect a brutal increase from them.

 

[NTMBK]

If you want to buy a Titan P:

 

[Sequences]

I'd pay a premium to not have to wait ages for amd to release its competing product, then update the drivers for said product to get the maximum performance.

Both company's driver patch notes indicate performance increases in games. By that definition, no one has "maximum performance" at release. You'd be foolish to think that no improvements can be made after release.

 

[tviceman]

I thought the 770 was a re-spun 680?

It's not changed at all. The 770 is slightly more efficient because of 28nm node maturity. By respin I meant to say shrunk down from one node to a smaller node. (The Fermi chips were respun but not shrunk.)

Anyways, I'm confidently guessing $599 for GP104 top chip, with two additiona cheaper skus.