Nvidia's Future GTX 580 Graphics Card Gets Pictured (Rumours)

[Arkadrel]

If you believe the rumors from chiphell.. the 580 needs to be slightly overclocked to perform like the 6970's.

How the hell does someone actually get their hand on a sample of 1 of these cards? never mind both and test them against each other? Those chinese guys lol...

 

[Silverforce11]

If you believe the rumors from chiphell.. the 580 needs to be slightly overclocked to perform like the 6970's.

How the hell does someone actually get their hand on a sample of 1 of these cards? never mind both and test them against each other? Those chinese guys lol...

Pretty easy when all the cards are assembled there.. considering a bunch of AIBs make both NV and ATI cards, it would not surprise me if they get assembled at the same site, side by side. They prolly get dressed as green and red teams just for easier management.

 

[jvroig]

How the hell does someone actually get their hand on a sample of 1 of these cards? never mind both and test them against each other? Those chinese guys lol...

Because all of the chips we are concerned with all eventually end up in Taiwan. Everything is hush-hush until it hits the Taiwanese fabs and factories. After that, most secrets the design companies have (such as AMD and nVidia's upcoming chips) are already "non-secrets", and the only thing stopping full disclosures are NDAs. It doesn't work 100%, of course, so we have leaks every now and then (after all, you can't enforce NDA to unofficial parties who didn't sign an NDA anyway).

They prolly get dressed as green and red teams just for easier management.

Now I can't get that picture out of my head, half the factory in red scrubs, the other half in green.

 

[Arkadrel]

@Silverforce11

"..considering a bunch of AIBs make both NV and ATI cards, it would not surprise me if they get assembled at the same site, side by side. They prolly get dressed as green and red teams just for easier management. "

 

[Daedalus685]

@Silverforce11

"..considering a bunch of AIBs make both NV and ATI cards, it would not surprise me if they get assembled at the same site, side by side. They prolly get dressed as green and red teams just for easier management. "

Umm,

Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte all manufacture both Nvidia and ATI and are among the top selling board partners for each. I doubt the all have two assembly plants.

I'm not sure who owns sapphire or if Pine tech owns anyone besides XFX either.


The leaks that come from across the pacific likely do originate at a partner. It is not much of a stretch to believe that one of the leaks has seen both cards personally. Also, just because a card is marketed by a company does not mean it is manufactured there. For all I know foxcon could be building a massive amount of both cards for a dozen different labels. I'm certain that many partners contract the manufacturing out to a third party anyway. I bet nearly all of the reference cards are made at the same place, and likely that place is a huge multi national assembly company that has no affiliation with AMD or Nvidia and likely makes both much of the time. Probably in the room next to the smart phones, mother boards, cars, and Barby dolls...

 

[Arkadrel]

"They prolly get dressed as green and red teams just for easier management."

That had me laughing out loud ^-^ I thought it was funny.... sigh.. nvm.

 

[Daedalus685]

"They prolly get dressed as green and red teams just for easier management."

That had me laughing out loud ^-^ I thought it was funny.... sigh.. nvm.

Ah yes, that sarcasm thing.. sorry.

 

[Arkadrel]

twice in such short amount of time... guess I better hit hay.

yeah I think my sarcasm meter is broken ; _ ;

 

[blastingcap]

When ATI wasn't doing so well several years ago, PC Partner, the parent of Sapphire, quietly set up a subsidiary to make NV cards. The name of that subsidiary is ZOTAC.

Pine's just XFX, but XFX somehow went from all-green to all-red in just a couple of years.

I've heard that a Gigabyte employee leaked info, not for this leak but a couple of years ago for another GPU. So AIB people do talk sometimes...

Umm,

Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte all manufacture both Nvidia and ATI and are among the top selling board partners for each. I doubt the all have two assembly plants.

I'm not sure who owns sapphire or if Pine tech owns anyone besides XFX either.


The leaks that come from across the pacific likely do originate at a partner. It is not much of a stretch to believe that one of the leaks has seen both cards personally. Also, just because a card is marketed by a company does not mean it is manufactured there. For all I know foxcon could be building a massive amount of both cards for a dozen different labels. I'm certain that many partners contract the manufacturing out to a third party anyway. I bet nearly all of the reference cards are made at the same place, and likely that place is a huge multi national assembly company that has no affiliation with AMD or Nvidia and likely makes both much of the time. Probably in the room next to the smart phones, mother boards, cars, and Barby dolls...

 

[Daedalus685]

When ATI wasn't doing so well several years ago, PC Partner, the parent of Sapphire, quietly set up a subsidiary to make NV cards. The name of that subsidiary is ZOTAC.

Pine's just XFX, but XFX somehow went from all-green to all-red in just a couple of years.

I've heard that a Gigabyte employee leaked info, not for this leak but a couple of years ago for another GPU. So AIB people do talk sometimes...

Ah thanks, I kind of had a feeling sapphire was related to Nvidia cards as well. Couldn't remember which one or who their parent was.

 

[BFG10K]

What I find most fascinating is the 128 TMU rumor. We need more results of course, but based on the leaked graph, it doesn’t appear that the card has a performance gain in line with what we would expect if it were bottlenecked by its original TMU count.

Don't they need those bits and pieces to keep selling those professional/HPC cards that make up some 50% of their gross profits?

They can keep GF100 chips for that purpose. As a general rule, end-users like gamers don’t give a crap about any of that stuff. A 300 million transistor saving out of 1.3 billion is about a quarter, which is very significant.

 

[Ares1214]

What I find most fascinating is the 128 TMU rumor. We need more results of course, but based on the leaked graph, it doesn’t appear that the card has a performance gain in line with what we would expect if it were bottlenecked by its original TMU count.


They can keep GF100 chips for that purpose. As a general rule, end-users like gamers don’t give a crap about any of that stuff. A 300 million transistor saving out of 1.3 billion is about a quarter, which is very significant.

I have a feeling that this GTX 580 isnt GF110, with the 128 TMU, but rather the GF100b, with 512 Shaders. 128 TMU sounds a lot more juicy, too much to only net 17% performance gains i guess. Sounds pretty unefficient if thats all it gets. A fully unlocked fermi on the other hand should get about that amount. Also, i feel as if the power consumption numbers are comparing launch GTX 480 to launch GTX 580, therefore the process maturing makes up all the power consumption differences. But hey, might be wrong.

 

[RussianSensation]

Also, i feel as if the power consumption numbers are comparing launch GTX 480 to launch GTX 580, therefore the process maturing makes up all the power consumption differences. But hey, might be wrong.

So you are saying GTX580 will have about 20% better performance with similar power consumption as the GTX480??! Good news everyone! That means we'll still be able to cook eggs on the 580. Dual purpose baby :thumbsup:

 

[extra]

Hopefully, for nvidia's sake, you'll actually be able to buy these before christmas. If not, holiday season will be a straight across the board win for AMD....also, merge video card and P&N! lols

 

[-Slacker-]

The thing can't eat 250w AGAIN. Nvidia isn't that stupid ... are they?

 

[AtenRa]

What’s wrong with 250W and 20% more performance in the High End market??

Actually, if GTX580 (250W) is 40% faster than HD5870 (188W) then we have 40% more performance with only 33% more power.

 

[Keysplayr]

What’s wrong with 250W and 20% more performance in the High End market??

Actually, if GTX580 (250W) is 40% faster than HD5870 (188W) then we have 40% more performance with only 33% more power.

😱

 

[AtenRa]

Why shocked?

 

[Keysplayr]

Why shocked?

That's not shocked.

 

[AtenRa]

When I get the cursor over it, says shock

If not then what ??

 

[Arkadrel]

So you are saying GTX580 will have about 20% better performance with similar power consumption as the GTX480??! Good news everyone! That means we'll still be able to cook eggs on the 580. Dual purpose baby :thumbsup:

Ahh yes good news indeed.

 

[Sickamore]

Whats the point of giving the 580 more performance power and still has the same heat as a 480. Does nvidia have a heart? Do they care about the environment.

 

[Keysplayr]

When I get the cursor over it, says shock

If not then what ??

To use that emoticon, one needs to type "eek" with appropriate tags.
Anyway, enough about the emoticon.

 

[BathroomFeeling]

Is it just the 580 that's coming out? Or will the 570 come out together as well? If it's just the former, then maybe it's feasible for late 2010 release if that's all they'll concentrate on.

 

[Arkadrel]

@BathroomFeeling

Since AMD is doing both a 6970 and a 6950, I suspect that Nvidia will have 2 cards as well... a 570 and a 580. I suspect they ll launch both at the same time (580 and 570).

again from rumors:

Nvidia:
570 = 480 performance + lower power useage
580 = 480 performance +15~20% performance, same power draw

Amd:
6950 = 480 performance + lower power useage
6970 = 480 performance +20% performance, lower power draw?


again rumors give a slight egde to the 6970 over the 580.